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I towed my TA back from Somerset today, the first trip since fitting new Michelin tyres, I noticed that the van towed the best since I have had it, (2 years), it sat behind me like a rock, no wiggles when big coaches past, I also got slightly better mileage according to the computer, was it the tyres making a difference, the last ones were 5 year old Hancooks, or am I getting better at loading.

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Interesting comment.

I have just ordered a new van that will come with Michelin tyres, so will be good to see if they do make a difference.

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Where they like for like with load rating .

 

 

 

 

 

Ste

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Where they like for like with load rating .

 

 

 

 

 

Ste

Exactly the same, new ones are Michelin energy savers, as fitted to Bailey.

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in my opinion its always best to get a quality tyre fitted rather than a budget make

 

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Exactly the same, new ones are Michelin energy savers, as fitted to Bailey.

Bailey don't fit energy savers, they fit 'Agilis' don't they? Or is that just SA's ?

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Yes tyres do make a difference to safety and personal driving experience. You really do get what you pay for.

Michelin tyres are rated by many as amongst the best you can buy, but a lot depends on your proposed application.

When I buy a previously owned car I have little choice in what tyres are already fitted, but when I replace them, (generally at 3mm) I always buy Michelins IMHO a hard to beat all-round tyre choice.

I am currently running on a set of Michelin Pilot Sport 3s and they are superb. When my caravan tyres, (Kumho) reach their best by date I will replace with Michelins.

You may find this web site of interest…..

http://www. tyrereviews. co. uk/

Happy motoring. ;)

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Oh, so you fitted the Michelins to the van - I thought you meant to the car :rolleyes:

Land Rover is now back towing.

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It is all down to what is known as 'rolling resistance' which is the friction between the perfectly inflated tyre and the road.

 

Tyres now have to have a fuel efficiency rating label attached. Downside is a low rolling resistance often means a low braking performance too. Which is also on the label as an indication of wet performance/braking.

Has the revolution finally begun?

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I would imagine that the handling improvement of a 'quality' tyre on a caravan is simply too small to be detectable and that other reasons for the improvement are much more likely.

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I would imagine that the handling improvement of a 'quality' tyre on a caravan is simply too small to be detectable and that other reasons for the improvement are much more likely.

 

. .........with which I agree 100%.... ;)

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I noticed the tow is better on the new van with michelin's rather than the old loadmasters, but that could be down to the fact that they are balanced now too. But yes, economy is up on the old van, despite being 50kg heavier

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I am aware from past conversations that a lot of people do not want to believe this but I have had this information from experience and it was confirmed by Michelin.

 

Fitting quality tyres to the car, i. e. Michelin, can induce sway. The reasoning is thus. Quality tyres have more supple sidewalls in order to keep the tread flat to the road. This causes the rear of the car to move sideways though this is not noticeable in the car when not towing. This sway is transmitted and exaggerated at the van.

 

I would guess this effect would be less using low profile or 4x4 tyres. At the moment I have Michelin on my 4x4 and the tow is not good but it wasn't good when I had low profiles on either. I put this down to a poor combination of car and van.

 

I discovered this a long time ago towing a small new van, which was back heavy, with a Citroen BX. It was positively dangerous. I had it checked with the Ministry of Transport who said it should not be on the road. However they did not have the power would you believe to enforce this. Through the Caravan Club I was put in touch with Bath university who were doing research at that time. They all confirmed the above regarding tyres. I then called Michelin who told me it was a known problem.

 

After putting up with this for some time I had to change the tyres. I put on a budget set and the outfit towed very well.

 

BTW, I do realise there is more to safe towing than the tyres but it is just one aspect to consider and people automatically think known makes would be best.

 

I imagine that quality tyres on the van would only be an improvement and possibly the supple wall effect would be a positive advantage when cornering with a TA.

 

PS why would a change of tyres make the van 50kg heavier?

 

 

John

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I used to tow heavy trailers with a 4x4 for the company I worked for,

the radials on the 4x4 made it shake its tail when towing a full load

because of the sidewall flex.

All the companies involved in the towing industry either directly or

indirectly have information that should be shared to make stability

universal whatever is towed (Bailey and Bath Uni is a very good example)

but it all costs money and peoples freedom of choice regarding cars and tyres

makes a coherent system impractical.

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Bailey don't fit energy savers, they fit 'Agilis' don't they? Or is that just SA's ?

Energy savers are fitted to the twin axles, I am not sure what they fit to single axles.

Oh, so you fitted the Michelins to the van - I thought you meant to the car :rolleyes:

I did not mention because I was talking about the van, but I had a set of Michelin premacys fitted to the car the month before, two complete sets of tyres and I missed the Costco offers for both, the Costco deal is now on!

I would imagine that the handling improvement of a 'quality' tyre on a caravan is simply too small to be detectable and that other reasons for the improvement are much more likely.

I agree too, but I thought it might be worth a discussion to get the opinion of others.

Perhaps just the increased confidence imbued

by having new tyres and suitable tyre pressures.

I never even thought about any improvement, it dawned on me well into the trip, a coach appeared to my right and I saw it before I felt it, I normally know something large is about to overtake as the caravan sways and I feel it in the steering, this time I felt nothing, the tyres are always the correct pressure, I check them before every tow, 35psi. Edited by Marks

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Bailey don't fit energy savers, they fit 'Agilis' don't they? Or is that just SA's ?

Our S2 Barcelona has Energy Savers fitted from factory

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I am aware from past conversations that a lot of people do not want to believe this but I have had this information from experience and it was confirmed by Michelin.

 

Fitting quality tyres to the car, i. e. Michelin, can induce sway. The reasoning is thus. Quality tyres have more supple sidewalls in order to keep the tread flat to the road. This causes the rear of the car to move sideways though this is not noticeable in the car when not towing. This sway is transmitted and exaggerated at the van. ........................

 

 

 

 

Strange reading this is as it would appear the exact opposite of my experience, that is with my first towing experience with a Sierra Estate complete with self levelling rear suspension, I had though cheap rear tyres and felt this disquieting sway.

Eventually and as an experiment I put 10psi extra in the rear tyres and the problem instantly disappeared, simply bought better tyres and had no further problem.

I had then finally work out it was the van shifting the car very slightly side to side on the soft sidewalls, that rather than a problem with the van. I reasoned better tyres would be stiffer not softer? anyway not had a problem since and now only add 2-3psi for towing.

 

As for Michelin tyres, I would fit nothing less. ..to the car, but would not waste my money fitting tyres who's expensive qualities, as I see it, can offer little advantage to a trailer!

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Strange reading this is as it would appear the exact opposite of my experience, that is with my first towing experience with a Sierra Estate complete with self levelling rear suspension, I had though cheap rear tyres and felt this disquieting sway.

Eventually and as an experiment I put 10psi extra in the rear tyres and the problem instantly disappeared, simply bought better tyres and had no further problem.

I had then finally work out it was the van shifting the car very slightly side to side on the soft sidewalls, that rather than a problem with the van. I reasoned better tyres would be stiffer not softer? anyway not had a problem since and now only add 2-3psi for towing.

 

As for Michelin tyres, I would fit nothing less. ..to the car, but would not waste my money fitting tyres who's expensive qualities, as I see it, can offer little advantage to a trailer!

There you have it, and Gary is probably more knowledgeable than most on this forum!

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Some years ago I needed 4 tyres on my Peugeot 406 and due to me being very strapped for cash I fitted 4 budget chinese tyres. They were coated in wax or oil to preserve them during storage and they squealed like a pig in pain for the first 100 miles or so. Even solo on the motorway the car never felt totally stable and when towing it was very noticeable. This improved over the next 500 miles, like the fitters said it would, but they were never good. On my present car I fitted 2 mid range tyres and these have been good but recently I needed 2 more tyres and short of cash again I put 2 quite cheap Indonesian tyres on that the fitter promised would be ok and they have been as good as the mid range ones fitted. They are good in the wet too so sometimes low cost can be good. They were a couple of quid short of half the cost of premium tyres like Michelin.

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My 2012 E250 CDi Sport Came as standard with Dunlop SP SPort MAxx GT MO. .. it towed our Hobby with no issues.

 

I changed the rear tyres in July, to Uniroyal Rainsport 3's - and almost lost the caravan, the 1st time we over took a truck!

Upon return from a very careful 1000 miles, i fitted my winter wheels & tyres to the rear, Pirelli SottoZero serie 2, to the back, and took the 'van back out - Back to Normal!

So, the Uniroyals have been removed and the exact Dunlop's fitted to the rear. We tow for the 1st time since re-fitting next weekend, but even on it's own, the car feels more planted at speed.

 

So, YES, tyres, even on the car, make a HUGE difference!

Al.

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Had GH same issue as ADG on my merc. Had earlier changed from conti's to michelin's. went past a lorry towing and cr@pped myself!

Went back to conti's with the fronts/rears being swapped round. Made a massive difference, but its put doubt into my mind so much that the tug has to go as I don't think I could live with myself if we had an incident while towing with the kids in the car, so swapping it for a Touareg (may as well go for it)

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