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Over the weekend we decided to try this Freeview facility when we parked up in Malvern, however I could not get the Freeview picture. The last time we used Freeview was about 2 years ago and being parked under the transmitter, all that was required was the flylead.

I scanned right through the range and nothing. I then plugged the flylead directly into the Status amplifier to take the caravan system out of the equation and still nothing. I think it must have been only the second time we have switched it on. The aerial was raised and pointed towards the transmitter however I suspect there is an issue with the system either the aerial itself or the amplifier. I am not too sure how to test an amplifier unless we take it to a specialist.

Any ideas? Thanks.

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There are too many variables to give an answer to this question, what TV are you using, does it have built in freeview, what receiver are you using if any, what aerial are you using and is it a digital status aerial, is there a good TV signal in Malvern, it is surrounded by hills, this is why more people are using satellite, the digital terrestrial signal is not as good as many think.

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There are too many variables to give an answer to this question, what TV are you using, does it have built in freeview, what receiver are you using if any, what aerial are you using and is it a digital status aerial, is there a good TV signal in Malvern, it is surrounded by hills, this is why more people are using satellite, the digital terrestrial signal is not as good as many think.

As we used it before on Freeview I assume it still has the Freeview facilty. The other Tv would not pick up a signal either. In Malvern it is line of sight. No such thing as a digital aerial. Thanks anyway. :)

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Have you tried it since elsewhere? we had a chap ask us if we had reception,

at our last sojurn, he had an analogue set and no digibox. Somehow he had

been in the bathroom during the switch from analogue to digital and missed it. :D

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Have you tried it since elsewhere? we had a chap ask us if we had reception,

at our last sojurn, he had an analogue set and no digibox. Somehow he had

been in the bathroom during the switch from analogue to digital and missed it. :D

Not yet as we cannot get Freeview at home as no aerial and live out in the sticks.

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Sounds like a job for a satellite dish and Humax FreeSat Receiver.

I carry both, the TV is Freeview (caravan aerial) the Satellite is (despite

opinions to the contrary) easy to set up, if you do your homework.

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Is the Malvern transmitter horizontally or vertically polarised and did you have the antenna in the correct orientation. You might have been in a poor signal area. Try putting the postcode into the digitalUK website to see what it suggests as you may have been pointing towards the wrong transmitter even though the Malvern one might have seemed closer.

Does the TV work at home or even in the caravan parked on the drive. It's always best to check stuff out where there is a decent signal so you know it all works rather than going somewhere when you don't know if there is a signal to be had and then trying it.

 

It's not unknown for the TV to work happily using the aerial on your house roof which might be 20 feet higher than the van and looking over the roofs of all the houses but not in the van which is only 8 feet from the ground and has a street full of houses between you and the transmitter. Even a ginormous motorhome parked next to you on site can block out your signal.

 

Most digital TVs or even Freeview boxes have a signal strength/quality indicator which can help you tweak the antenna a bit to improve the signal quality however you do need to be pointing in roughly the right direction to get any signal to start with.

 

In the end there are just some places where you won't get a decent signal even with an antenna on a 50 foot pole so it's always worthwhile taking some DVDs, books or even Scrabble.

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Malvern is Vertically polarised. ... So a 530 must be cranked over to receive it properly.

 

Amp set to max gain (min attenuation actually) or NML if switched. Amp must be ON (led lit). With a 530 connecting the aerial lead direct to the TV can prove if the amplifier is faulty - the log aerial is adequate on its own outside my home - a considerable distance from my transmitter. I've had one psu/amplifier fail on me and the 530 on its own worked on most sites (but not all) on a trip away.

 

Are you sure you scanned with the digital tuner - DTV (freeview) - and not the analogue tuner? The latter would have found nothing!

 

Use the detailed view of http://www. digitaluk. co. uk/postcodechecker/ to check reception predictions for the location and if you can do a manual tune for the BBC mux frequency channel to aid aerial alignment. .. then do a full tune.

 

http://www. digitaluk. co. uk/coveragechecker/main/trade/WR13+6NW/showground/0/NA is the prediction for the Malvern Showground and suggests Malver is the best source there.

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Our TV still scans for analogue and digital. There's a button on the remote to switch between them both. Could you be trying to view

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We were recently on Malvern site and reception is pretty poor in some places. As said you need to crank the ariel over and then just try and find the signal based on what others have it at. When we were there they seem to be pointing all over the place depending on which part of the site they were in.

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Malvern is Vertically polarised. ... So a 530 must be cranked over to receive it properly.

 

Amp set to max gain (min attenuation actually) or NML if switched. Amp must be ON (led lit). With a 530 connecting the aerial lead direct to the TV can prove if the amplifier is faulty - the log aerial is adequate on its own outside my home - a considerable distance from my transmitter. I've had one psu/amplifier fail on me and the 530 on its own worked on most sites (but not all) on a trip away.

 

Are you sure you scanned with the digital tuner - DTV (freeview) - and not the analogue tuner? The latter would have found nothing!

 

Use the detailed view of http://www. digitaluk. co. uk/postcodechecker/ to check reception predictions for the location and if you can do a manual tune for the BBC mux frequency channel to aid aerial alignment. .. then do a full tune.

 

http://www. digitaluk. co. uk/coveragechecker/main/trade/WR13+6NW/showground/0/NA is the prediction for the Malvern Showground and suggests Malver is the best source there.

Supposed to be good reception at the post code whoever no mention of polarisation? Definitely scanned DTV channels as no analogue stations available. Can't test at home due to no outside aerial. The first time we used it about tow years ago, the signal was picked up on the flylead and not the aerial. I have eliminated everything and we either have two faulty TVs or the status aerial or amp has packed in?

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If you look at the aerial group info the last letter is either a V or H (vertical or horizontal). Malvern will be a fill-in station so won't have all the channels and will be quite low powered so it would be easy to be in a low or no signal area especially if there is the loo block, lots of trees, a hill or even caravans between you and it.

 

I've just been to Dalacres CC site near Hythe (Kent) which has a low powered booster for the town but we got a thumping great signal in from the main transmitter at Dover but we couldn't receive anything from the Hythe booster. It's always worth a scan around to see if you can get a signal from another transmitter.

 

We used to live in Burnham on Crouch in Essex and our official transmitter was Sudbury or Dover but we got the best signal from Bluebell Hill. However a lot of aerials were pointed at Crystal Place, it just depended where in the town that you lived, what was in the way and even whether you lived in a house or bungalow. My mum's bungalow (about 300yds from our house) couldn't get any signal at all as it was surrounded by houses and she therefore had to resort to Sky

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Supposed to be good reception at the post code whoever no mention of polarisation? Definitely scanned DTV channels as no analogue stations available. Can't test at home due to no outside aerial. The first time we used it about tow years ago, the signal was picked up on the flylead and not the aerial. I have eliminated everything and we either have two faulty TVs or the status aerial or amp has packed in?

Transmitter Polarisation is listed under the 'Aerial Group After' heading indicated as V for Vertical and H for Horizontal. Malvern is a line-fed 'relay' so has 6 muxes, duplicated kit and backup generators. One of the original 81 DTT sites.

 

Is the aerial a 530? If so take the white lead from through the roof and use a joiner to feed to one of the TVs via a cable. This will then allow the aerial alone to work into the set. If that works, then try it using the caravan wiring to the socket you'd normally use. ... (still by-passing the amp itself). If that is OK then include the amp. ... if that is worse the amp has probably failed.

 

Use manual tuning if you can and watch the signal meter diagnostic as a guide if it has one; be prepared to try other transmitters as well if listed by DigitalUK.

 

 

It may be worth checking any Belling Lee TV plugs have been made off correctly with no whiskers of wire from the outer touching the centre core? http://www. megalithia. com/elect/bellinglee/ and http://www. aerialsandtv. com/wiringup. html#KinkyCentreCore show how to do that.

 

 

Do you know no-one with an outside aerial you could tune in one of the TVs at home, then try it on the Status on your drive?

 

Or why not ask a fellow caravanner for help on a site? I'd be more than happy to assist someone in trouble and have done so occasionally (nor am I above needing help myself and was grateful to someone who helped me get satellite signals at York once).

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Is it the CC site at Malvern Hills or the C&CC next door?

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Is it the CC site at Malvern Hills or the C&CC next door?

Both sites have the same postcode so come up with the same results on the Freeview checker.

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I've just been to Dalacres CC site near Hythe (Kent) which has a low powered booster for the town but we got a thumping great signal in from the main transmitter at Dover but we couldn't receive anything from the Hythe booster. It's always worth a scan around to see if you can get a signal from another transmitter.

 

We used to live in Burnham on Crouch in Essex

Daleacres CC: Your results are pretty much as per the predictions. ... http://www. digitaluk. co. uk/coveragechecker/main/trade/CT21+4NW/caravan/0/NA

 

Burnham-on-Crouch now has its own TV relay transmitter to get the East Anglia local news service there. .. unusually a Horizontal signal and at 500 Watts pretty high power. http://www. digitaluk. co. uk/coveragechecker/main/trade/CM0+8BQ/22/0/NA shows your local knowledge and predicted reception are rather similar.

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I forgot to turn the amplifier on once, its on the checklist now ;)

 

Supposed to be good reception at the post code whoever no mention of polarisation? Definitely scanned DTV channels as no analogue stations available. Can't test at home due to no outside aerial. The first time we used it about tow years ago, the signal was picked up on the flylead and not the aerial. I have eliminated everything and we either have two faulty TVs or the status aerial or amp has packed in?

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I don't live in Burnham any more but out in the Cambridgeshire fens about 8 miles north of Ely where I can get an excellent signal in the van from the Sandy Heath transmitter (58km away). We are at sea level as well (or a bit below) but there's not much between us and the Sandy transmitter.

I don't have to raise or line up the van antenna (it points roughly in the right direction when the van is parked) and the amplifier gain is turned right down.

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Transmitter Polarisation is listed under the 'Aerial Group After' heading indicated as V for Vertical and H for Horizontal. Malvern is a line-fed 'relay' so has 6 muxes, duplicated kit and backup generators. One of the original 81 DTT sites.

 

Is the aerial a 530? If so take the white lead from through the roof and use a joiner to feed to one of the TVs via a cable. This will then allow the aerial alone to work into the set. If that works, then try it using the caravan wiring to the socket you'd normally use. ... (still by-passing the amp itself). If that is OK then include the amp. ... if that is worse the amp has probably failed.

 

Use manual tuning if you can and watch the signal meter diagnostic as a guide if it has one; be prepared to try other transmitters as well if listed by DigitalUK.

 

 

It may be worth checking any Belling Lee TV plugs have been made off correctly with no whiskers of wire from the outer touching the centre core? http://www. megalithia. com/elect/bellinglee/ and http://www. aerialsandtv. com/wiringup. html#KinkyCentreCore show how to do that.

 

 

Do you know no-one with an outside aerial you could tune in one of the TVs at home, then try it on the Status on your drive?

 

Or why not ask a fellow caravanner for help on a site? I'd be more than happy to assist someone in trouble and have done so occasionally (nor am I above needing help myself and was grateful to someone who helped me get satellite signals at York once).

Not sure of the Status version, but it is in a 2011 caravan and is supposed to be ready for digital reception. I took a known working flylead and plugged it directly into the amplifier and then the TV and still no luck. Sometimes with aerials they have a masthead amplifier and what you see inside is probably the power pack however not sure if this applies to the Status aerial. If this applies to the Status then joining the cable from the aerial to a flylead will not help.

We were on a CL in Drake Street near Welland and could see the transmitter from our location. Unfortunately Ridge Hill which is a main transmitter is too far away so no luck there either.

I am beginning to think that the best solution is a 12v Tv with a satellite decoder built in as no more problems with reception etc. however I would still like to resolve the Freeview issue as the caravan is still under warranty.

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The CC site at Malvern is about 60 miles (as the crow flies) south west of Sutton Coldfield so shouldn't be too much of a signal problem.

 

The hills are to the west of the CC site so do not block the signal!

 

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The secret of using a directional aerial is to set it with the correct polarity (vertical or horizontal) and point in the right direction. Then (auto) tune the receiver. Other things being equal (same receiver, same location - a few yards can make a difference!) a properly set directional will ALWAYS give a better signal. Conversely a direction aerial set up incorrectly CAN give a worse signal because it has quite sharp nulls particularly at right angles to the correct direction.

 

Use a smart phone app like Freepoint UK to help find the best transmitters.

 

Don't trust where everyone else is pointing! Go to Sandringham and you will find all the houses nearby (with long high gain aerials to boost the tiny signal) pointing to Sandy Heath 56 miles away. However there is a NEW fill-in station within 1 mile (in the opposite direction) which gives a huge signal.

 

But TV reception can be highly variable due to close obstructions or reflections from large objects. There is a fill-in station at Malvern only 2 miles or so from the site which SHOULD give a whopping signal. Its vertically polarised and at 340 degs.

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Don't trust where everyone else is pointing! Go to Sandringham and you will find all the houses nearby (with long high gain aerials to boost the tiny signal) pointing to Sandy Heath 56 miles away. However there is a NEW fill-in station within 1 mile (in the opposite direction) which gives a huge signal.

 

Hardly New! King Lynn relay has been there donkeys years (or since 1981 in fact)... only BBC One & Anglia ITV in analogue days as reception from Belmont or Waltham (wrong local news) is excellent otherwise in much of the area. It's located on the Sandringham Estate but principally serves the Town and coastal villages with the correct local news programmes.

 

Since Digital Switchover it has had a third frequency so as to provide a fuller complement of services on a single aerial.

 

http://www. digitaluk. co. uk/coveragechecker/main/trade/PE35+6EZ/caravan/0/ep98mh87te773o82voe5bi4rv2 is the digitaluk prediction for the CC site.

 

In my view, a simple compass based on the prediction bearings and data is better than the apps which often ignore transmitter radiation patterns so suggest pointing to the wrong transmitter.

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Thanks for the update Rodders. I take your point - local knowledge is even better than an app! You are quite right too about the directional nature of some fill-in transmitters and as the radiation pattern of these transmitters is not in the public domain it is difficult to make a reliable forecast of reception in these areas.

 

But as a visitor to an unfamiliar the area, you do need somewhere to start. An app that uses a TV prediction site on the web to provide the data to use with a map, or compass, is just what you need.

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In my experience, very often neither compass nor app will be accurate due to reflections in marginal areas.

 

We often caravan with friends. We set up using an app which generally results in us pointing our aerial in the same direction as everyone else. My mate uses a cheap signal strength meter which very often (but not always, of course) results in his aerial pointing anything up to 45 degrees away from ours.

 

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