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Hi every body,

I will try and keep this as short as possible.

Having sold our Abi award daystar 2 berth we were looking for a larger van and fixed our sights on a Moselle and after looking at several found this one.

Bailey Moselle bought privately from a guy who is a registered corgi gas engineer and also a mobile damp technician .

Anyhow after several conversations with him on the phone, he assured me everything was in very good condition with this van with no known faults, all good all working.

Vans been in his family for 5 years so he should know.

When I went to view/buy the van he had it hooked upto the electric and the heater was on, all seemed fine cosmetically, much better than others I had been to look at so felt comfortable that it would be a good buy.

I found some small soft bumps on the wall panel behind the back cushions of the setee, he said they were caused by the sap in the plywood walls and were nothing to worry about. ..

SAP in plywood. .. really!!! I should have walked away but decided that these small imperfections I could live with and we bought it.

Got it home, I am lucky that I have indoor /barn storage so vans been kept dry since ive had it.(September)

I bought some motor movers and fitted them over the Christmas holidays, when I fitted the ecb box I noticed these marks appeared more bumpy than I thought so bought a moisture meter ( purely for peace of mind) and it shows 39% reading in several places.

Ok allowing for a bit of discrepancy with a meter that cost a tenner, its still high.

When I really start looking hard I can see where the water has "tracked" along the timber behind the ply facing and the ply is beginning to go soft .

It looks like I need to strip out the fridge, cooker, bed/seat and the overhead lockers to repair the walls etc.

It appears the water has been getting in behind the awning rail, nothing blatantly obvious yet but can see no other damage to the roof etc.

So, what do I do now?

 

Strip out and repair, how big a job is it, can I get all the wallboards etc to match the rest?

Please no one suggest I sell it on, I am too honest to try and fob it off onto some unsuspecting caravanner, I made the mistake buying it, now I need to sort it .

 

I welcome your views and suggestions etc.

Thanks in advance.

Tin Tent

 

Thanks,

 

 

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Hiya, we had a similar problem with our previous caravan. The sealant cracked on the awning rail and the whole rail was replaced by a dealer. Ours had an end bathroom and the damp was in the bathroom. However, we were told the damp would dry out (eventually). However, it did up to a point but the walls still went spongy which meant the damp had gone too far. You will need to replace the wallboards. Prior to doing this you will need to sort out the awning rail. Our Swift was purchased from new and we kept it for 12yrs and kept it in top condition inside but because of the damp issue we decided to part with it. We sold it to a Dealer who bought damp caravans and we had a good price from them. If you are handy at stripping out all the internal furnishings etc. it should be worth your trouble. I'm sure people on here will advise you where you could purchase the sealant and wallboards and anything else you require to cure the damp issue.

 

Best of luck with your project. Shame the person who sold you the caravan was not honest with you regarding the dreaded damp issue, which all caravan owners dread.

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Its is a big job but as you have inside storage your off to a good start. The exact wall board your caravan has is obsolete but Bailey are selling a very close replacement. Have you no comeback to the vendor as it was sold to you in good order with no damp.

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Thanks for the replies guys,

 

I currently have a de humidifier running 24/7 alongside a 1kw fan heater so hopefully they will extract the moisture quickly then I can see where I go from there.

Rang a dealer up and he has asked me to take it round so he can evaluate it and give me an honest opinion of its condition and what if any work needs doing, hopefully doing that on Saturday. .

Best result for me would be for him to say, to reseal the awning rails etc and it will then be ok when it dries out.

However he did say some Bailey vans have had trouble with the front and rear panels cracking/leaking so hes going to check that out as well.

I don't have a yard stick to measure my van against and being new to caravanning have never seen damp walls before, so I will just have to bite the bullet and see what happens.

Worst case is a strip out,had a look tonight, it appears to me the fridge and cooker come out, disconnect all supplies, then remove unit/cupboard in 1.

Wall cupboards look as though they stand on long legs and screwed back to timber battens in walls and ceilings,.

Ceiling looks like its fitted after the wall construction so don't quite know yet what will happen with getting the wall panels out without damaging the ceiling trims etc.

 

If Any one has done that particular operation before, be interested to hear from you. :)

Currently unable to contact previous owner, message left etc. but hey ho life goes on.

Thanks.

Tin Tent

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if there is any pimpling of the wall board, the water ingress is serious enough for the board to be removed, resealing the rails will stop it but your only sealing the moister in, as will only get worse.

 

have you any pictures of the offending areas?, I could give you an indication of how much is involved with the repair

 

 

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Cheers Three Star, be great to get a repair companies take on this. I will endeavour to take some pictures in a few minutes and then try to post them on here.

I have just looked at the workshop repair pictures posted on your website, very impressive.

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Well hopefully you can tell where the damp areas are from the photos, it seems as though I will probably need to replace the wall boards from the front window back to the door frame to remove all the damp areas.

Has anyone else had a similar problem and fixed it?

Obviously I need to stop the water getting in, so I will have a proper look at the awning rails /roof junctions etc.

Luckily it's stored inside so can carry out all this sealing work in the dry.

How hard are the awning rails to remove without damage or is that not possible due to being "bonded" on ?

The front panel does have some very small cracks where it's been screwed on, but they are only minor.

 

I could do the work now or just leave it till the end of the season and then do it or will it be ok ish once it dries out?

Thanks,

Tin Tent

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Well hopefully you can tell where the damp areas are from the photos, it seems as though I will probably need to replace the wall boards from the front window back to the door frame to remove all the damp areas.

Has anyone else had a similar problem and fixed it?

Obviously I need to stop the water getting in, so I will have a proper look at the awning rails /roof junctions etc.

Luckily it's stored inside so can carry out all this sealing work in the dry.

How hard are the awning rails to remove without damage or is that not possible due to being "bonded" on ?

The front panel does have some very small cracks where it's been screwed on, but they are only minor.

 

I could do the work now or just leave it till the end of the season and then do it or will it be ok ish once it dries out?

Thanks,

Tin Tent

The problem is that the water has got inside the wall construction so running a dehumidifier will have a limited effect unless you remove the wall board to expose the inner construction so the water is in effect exposed and the dehumidifier can suck it up. At the moment the water has to be sucked through the wall board, aint gonna come out too quick.

 

Would think it unlikely the awning rail could be removed without damage, you'd be better replacing that too. Given the time this will take I'd think new rail would make the job quicker, easier and allow you to do a top job and get a good seal.

 

Hope it all goes well.

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Well hopefully you can tell where the damp areas are from the photos, it seems as though I will probably need to replace the wall boards from the front window back to the door frame to remove all the damp areas.

Has anyone else had a similar problem and fixed it?

Obviously I need to stop the water getting in, so I will have a proper look at the awning rails /roof junctions etc.

Luckily it's stored inside so can carry out all this sealing work in the dry.

How hard are the awning rails to remove without damage or is that not possible due to being "bonded" on ?

The front panel does have some very small cracks where it's been screwed on, but they are only minor.

 

I could do the work now or just leave it till the end of the season and then do it or will it be ok ish once it dries out?

Thanks,

Tin Tent

Cracks in either end panels are very bad, no matter how minor they appear on the outside, they go right under the rail and to the fixing screw -providing a path for the water straight into the 'van.
There is no easy solution, either the panel needs replacing or a specialist repair to weld the crack, but you'll probably find all the fixing holes have cracks starting when you take the awning rails off.
Don't delay the repairs, any moisture getting in will just be additional damage to the structure.
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we did one that needed a very similar repair to this, it was a monarch, it was soft and pimpled from inside the upper locker cupboards right down to the floor, and spread long to the vanity unit area (where your kitchen is)

 

we removed the upper lockers and lower seat base, removed and replaced all the affected wallboard, then it needed a reseal of the awning rail, from memory the job totalled to around £800-£1000 through our workshop, though as always with damp work, you don't know how much damage it has caused tot he structure until you remove the board, so as you can imagine, if you have to start replacing structural timbers this can bump the cost up as well.

 

 

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Ok, thanks for all the replies, been interesting how this has developed for me.

Eventually managed to contact the seller (using an unknown to him mobile)after he failed to answer my calls,

 

Most apologetic etc, I would never have sold it if I had known it had damp etc etc you name it he said it.

Bloody liar, that's all I can say really, apart from him saying to me when I considered going to look at it,

 

"If you find anything wrong with this van and don't buy it I will give you your money back for your travelling costs".

 

Any how the vans still inside my barn out of this lovely weather so it can only get drier!!!

 

I have decided to do nothing at the moment and to let it dry out naturally, hopefully the weather will soon improve and I can put it outside on dry days with the windows open.

Once the moisture content is low enough I intend to reseal the awning rails sometime later this summer.

 

We don't get an enormous amount of use from a caravan, what with work, dogs, horses etc to see to we are lucky to get away for 3 long weekends per year.

 

That's the main reason in buying a second hand van, I bet I don't make the same mistake again tho.

 

Maybe see you someday.

 

Thanks.

Tin Tent

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On 12/01/2014 at 20:52, Tin Tent said:

Pics, hope they look ok,,

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On 12/01/2014 at 20:52, Tin Tent said:

Pics, hope they look ok,,

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