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Hi,

 

Am new to this site so hello to everyone. I wondered if anyone has removed the shower tray/cubicle in a Swift Conqueror630 /Sterling Elite Searcher /Abbey Spectrum 540 - they are all basically the same van. I want to fit a bath in place of it - I did the same in a Bailey Pageant Moselle about four years ago. I have taken the trim off the side of the shower cubicle and removed the screws that hold the shower screen in place - I assume that this is just a push fit into the other side of the cubicle. I am trying to remove it without breaking too much. I know that I will have to "cut" the plastic weld on the top and bottom of the trays. Any suggestions gratefully received.

 

Thanks

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and here come all the negative posts. .............

A seemingly problem free 2010 model Adria Altea 542dk that has more than its fair share of use.

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and here come all the negative posts. .............

 

Is it possible to constructively address this without considering the reality of the undertaking, thus the negative as well as positive aspects?

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maybe so, but as the op has already done the conversion before but on a different van then they obviously know they will need a supply of hot water that presumably the on board tank can do, albeit in limited supply.

A seemingly problem free 2010 model Adria Altea 542dk that has more than its fair share of use.

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Where I can't get my mind round a solution is in respect to weight. A Google of typical bath water volumes at normal filled level suggests anything between 200 and 300 litres, so a water weight of 200 kgs or more.

Is the floor and extremity of the chassis beam really designed to take this?

In the US we have seen tubs you squat in, much smaller than a bath, but even then the vehicle chassis were by UK/European standards massive.

 

Sorry if that is being "negative" but as a professional engineer I can't but consider the probable warts in any concept.

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One hopes that he wont be travelling with it full up ;) and if it's over a corner steady then it's probably OK.

As said, he managed it in a Bailey Moselle - ours is not to reason why but just be amazed and astounded :unsure:

 

I can't help with any constructive help but I'm not going to be negative about it - if that's what he wants to do, then so be it

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Where I can't get my mind round a solution is in respect to weight. A Google of typical bath water volumes at normal filled level suggests anything between 200 and 300 litres, so a water weight of 200 kgs or more.

Is the floor and extremity of the chassis beam really designed to take this?

In the US we have seen tubs you squat in, much smaller than a bath, but even then the vehicle chassis were by UK/European standards massive.

 

Sorry if that is being "negative" but as a professional engineer I can't but consider the probable warts in any concept.

 

Hey JTQ lets not get in to technicalities, the steadies are rated at 500Kg each so it shouldn't be a problem :blush: :blush: :blush: :blush: :blush:

 

(I've ordered a taxi, so I'll go and get my coat now)

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Hi,

 

Am new to this site so hello to everyone. I wondered if anyone has removed the shower tray/cubicle in a Swift Conqueror630 /Sterling Elite Searcher /Abbey Spectrum 540 - they are all basically the same van. I want to fit a bath in place of it - I did the same in a Bailey Pageant Moselle about four years ago. I have taken the trim off the side of the shower cubicle and removed the screws that hold the shower screen in place - I assume that this is just a push fit into the other side of the cubicle. I am trying to remove it without breaking too much. I know that I will have to "cut" the plastic weld on the top and bottom of the trays. Any suggestions gratefully received.

 

Thanks

Laney do you have pics of the bailey conversion you carried out to settle peoples minds? i will also add i am unable to help with advice as i have never had a van like yours. one of the repairers on here maybe able to help as one is well known for fixing shower trays.

(ps if your good with photoshop, a full on corner spa bath will really get the sceptics going ;-). )

A seemingly problem free 2010 model Adria Altea 542dk that has more than its fair share of use.

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You can choose a bath tub as an option with the Eternti range of caravans, so must be do~able. Just don't give me the job of filling the aqua rolls

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Thanks for the comments - I thought I would get a few questions about filling it etc !! It is a very small bath - 1200mm by 685mm with the length cut down to fit 1150mm. I do have some photos and will upload them. Empty, the bath weighs no more than the shower tray removed - and no, I don't drive with it full !! We don't fill it up when using it, simply put a plug in when starting to shower/wash hair and then you can sit down in the few inches of water. Having just bought the Abbey Spectrum, we used it over Christmas with the shower and we used more water using the shower than we used to in our Bailey with the bath. I think it is a myth that you use less water having a shower than a bath (at home) - try putting the plug in next time and see how much water accumulates. Unless you have a very quick shower and then use a lot of deodorant !!

 

It would also be great for washing young children (don't have any so just assuming) and also small dogs ( have two of these). I had it professionally lined by a plastic specialist and the dealer who serviced the van annually was impressed and didn't see any problems. We had no leaks during the five years of ownership and the dealer who has just taken it in part exchange seemed to think it a good idea. You can still use it as shower as I put two shower head brackets up and had a plastic shower screen over half of the length. I am planning to put a folding pvc shower screen in the Abbey - they only weigh 3kg - to give more access for cleaning etc.

 

Anyway, enough of my explanations, does anyone have any tips on removing the existing shower cubicle on my Abbey?

 

Thanks again.

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IMO I would of thought the best option is the type of bath and shower that Eterniti caravan offer giving the option of having a shower or bath . Most US RVs have these fitted.

 

Having just a bath could effect the resale value of a caravan.

 

Dave

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Dave,

 

It is a bath with shower over - just think of it as a very deep shower tray with a plug in it. When we were looking to trade in our old van with the bath in it, all apart from one dealer offered us no less than if it had the standard shower and one even offered more as he thought it would be very saleable.

 

I haven't seen the Eterniti ones - perhaps they saw my idea and copied it !!

 

Martin

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Blow the sceptics I think it's brilliant and I'm with you as to the amount of water used with a shower. I hope you get the info you need - someone on here will come up trumps soon I'm sure. :)

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Blow the sceptics I think it's brilliant and I'm with you as to the amount of water used with a shower. I hope you get the info you need - someone on here will come up trumps soon I'm sure. :)

Possibly, but not until we have at least one poster, insisting it will invalidate your insurance. :D

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Hi,

 

To the last poster - I checked with the insurance before and it makes no difference.

 

I have managed to get the old shower cubicle out - some damage but if it needs to go back in, it can be repaired. I did notice some cracks where the wall panels join the bottom shower tray in the plastic weld so water has been seeping through already - great in a 2009 van. So I now have a space ready for the bath and there appears to be enough room to fit it without cutting it down as the washroom wall has a void in it between it and the fixed bed area.

 

What I need to know now is does anyone know where I can get wood trim to match as I need to make a side for the cupboard. I will try Swift group tomorrow but I believe that they won't sell anything to the public !

 

Any ideas gratefully received.

 

Thanks.

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Any Swift dealer will be able to order in the correct matching wood and trims. .. at a price!

They have a spare parts book to refer to.

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Thanks Rodders53. Swift group are closed until Monday but I have spoken to two Swift dealers. One said that a piece of vinyl covered wall board 6mm thick (5 ply plywood) 2. .189m x 1. 22m is £95 and another said it is £90 for a piece 2. 5m x 1. 2m. The first one said that I could simply buy the vinyl wood lookalike covering and apply it to plywood - the other said that it is not available as just the vinyl !! Confused - yes.

 

Just wondered if anyone has done any repairs using the vinyl covering - the dealers couldn't tell me whether it was self adhesive either.

 

Have decided to trim the bathtub to fit rather than cut the walls in the van - just in case I want to replace original shower in the future if I want to sell.

 

I know I should perhaps start another thread, but has anyone managed to silence a noisy on board pump - this Abbey Spectrum has an onboard tank and pump and the latter is extremely noisy. Given that we use the pump later on at night, I don't want to be disturbing anyone else on the sites that we use.

 

Thanks

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In the past we have cruised on the good ship Aurora and our cabin had a bath, albeit a small one, the whole washroom area being constructed, I guess, in fibreglass.

I have frequently thought that it must be possible to fit a small bath with an overhead shower especially in vans with an end washroom.

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I know I should perhaps start another thread, but has anyone managed to silence a noisy on board pump - this Abbey Spectrum has an onboard tank and pump and the latter is extremely noisy. Given that we use the pump later on at night, I don't want to be disturbing anyone else on the sites that we use.

Hope Swift HQ can/will answer you on the coverings question. Perhaps mail them? or ask on their Forum (writing can clarify what you want whereas verbal messages can morph and get confused).

 

Have you listened outside the vehicle to the pump running?? it may be quieter than you think and mostly heard inside the 'van due to the sounding board effect of the top layer of the sandwich floor it fixes to. .. Improved rubber mounts and slightly loosening fixings have been suggested as helping but not eliminating the noise - I'm sure there are threads in the water section.

2012 Bailey Pegasus 2 Rimini towed by 2019 Ford Galaxy Titanium X, 2.0 EcoBlue, 8 speed auto.

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Thanks Rodders53. The pump is moved on a vertical section under the front seat. It appears that it has been moved already as there are for screw holes slightly higher and to the right. It is on rubber mounts but I notice that one of the pipes runs under the outside locker and if I hold it away from the mounting it is quieter. I will try to find some more flexible rubber mountings and move the pipe away from the locker.

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Laney16, we had an Abbey spectrum 540 before our current Delta. this has a sureflow onboard pump and although you could hear it running (which was useful as it didn't cut out when the water ran out), it didn't make much noise at all. perhaps it may need a replacement pump.

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Hi,

Regarding the wall covering ---- we wanted to cover some ( home made ) shelves in our van . Went to our local D. I. Y. store and located the plastic stick on display ( Fablon ? ) took a locker door to get the nearest match and bought a roll.

​Having now used it its hard to notice the difference . One thing --- the plastic sticks a lot better if its warm & the surface its to be stuck to is the same ( warm that is ), also use a domestic iron turned down as low as possible ( too hot and plastic will crinkle ) to press down on the plastic.

Decided to make some other bits for the van and on a factory visit asked for an offcut given one 3ftx12" --- with compliments .

david

Skoda Scout 4x4 pulling a coachman Amara 520/4 at 93%---- when full!

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update - went to Highbridge Caravans today and very helpful lady in parts dept has order me some vinyl the same as the wood wall panels in the washroom and some edging tape - just need to buy some plywood now. Much cheaper than buying the wallboard from Swift and, hopefully, will look the same. Won't matter on the shelves in the lockers but need to do a good job on the new washroom cupboard.

 

Thanks for everyone's suggestions. Will be fitting the bath tomorrow - hopefully!

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