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The Elddis team will be LIVE on this thread from 6-8pm this evening, answering all YOUR questions on SoLiD Construction.


So, whether you're an Elddis owner, you're thinking about becoming an Elddis owner, or you'd just like to know more about this innovative new construction method, make sure you're here at 6pm to chat with an Elddis Expert!


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How the Ask The Expert Evening will work. ..

This evening is all about Elddis' pioneering new SoLiD Construction, and the CT team will be working away behind the scenes to keep things on topic.


To make sure everything runs as smoothly as possible this evening, all posts in this thread will require approval by a member of the CT team, because:

  • It will allow us to direct any non-SoLiD queries to Elddis for a personal response
  • We only have a two hour window of opportunity for SoLiD questions today, so straying off topic would cause too much time pressure


  • Elddis has specially selected Experts from their team who are best placed to answer your SoLiD Construction questions. Further Ask The Expert Evenings will cover other exciting topics.


Off-topic posts. ..

If your question or comment is not related to SoLiD Construction, you'll notice that:

  • It won't be posted in the thread, but. ..

  • You will receive a friendly personal message from one of the CT team requesting a few basic details. We will then pass these onto Elddis who will be in direct contact in due course.


Please remember that this is an industry-first, so should there be any technical glitches please bear with us!


The Elddis team is delighted to have this opportunity to chat openly and honestly about SoLiD Construction and has a genuine desire to engage with their customers, so don’t miss your chance to join in tonight!

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This thread will open up to questions at ~5. 55pm and we'll reveal the first few live at 6pm, make sure you don't miss it! :)

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Welcome to the first ever live forum where representatives from a UK manufacturer of motorhome and caravans are available to answer any questions you have on a specific subject.

Tonight the subject will be SoLiD Construction which we developed over three years with Henkel, the world renowned structural bonding specialists, and which has given us the first fully bonded touring caravan and coachbuilt motorhome.

This world-class construction system is used on Formula 1 racing cars, super yachts and is even used to bond the wings of aeroplanes.

This fully bonded structure gives our products added integrity and rigidity by spreading the stresses and strains evenly across all joints, and with more than 90% fewer exterior fixings than before SoLiD construction creates an impervious barrier to water ingress.

SoLiD Construction is used on ALL 2013 Elddis and Buccaneer motorhomes and touring caravans, and is back by a 10 year water ingress warranty.

This is the first of a number of live forums which we have planned with Caravan Talk for the coming months to cover a range of subjects, so hopefully there will be something for everyone during the series

We wish to be as open and transparent as possible – so on line tonight, at a time which we believe suits you, are some of our employees who have been involved in the “ SoLiD project “ since day 1, and hopefully are best placed to deal with whatever questions you ask us :

They are : Alan Beel, Ross Gray, Gary Jones, Rachel Moncrieff, Rob Quine, David Styles & David Whitehead

We look forward to hearing from you

ROB

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  1. Congratulations on you new construction method, how does this affect panel repairs if you need a replacement??

Dave

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Good evening everyone,

I have watched the video on the Elddis website and it looks like the side access lockers, the window frames, and the service points such as EHU inlet and water inlet, are all bonded in place.

We all know that plastic can become brittle, and hinges break, so is the fact that these items are glued in place likely to cause problems in the future, should they require replacement?

Thanks,

Mary

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Hi Rob, if I can get the ball rolling, I have a 2013 Buccaneer, and it may be useful if you could say something about the adhesive used in SoLiD - was it specifically developed for Elddis?

 

Alan.

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Hi all

The question is how's the floor layers made up of, ,,

How Is the underfloor coverd I. e. plastic or other??

 

Joe. .

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Hi Rob, if I can get the ball rolling, I have a 2013 Buccaneer, and it may be useful if you could say something about the adhesive used in SoLiD - was it specifically developed for Elddis?

 

Alan.

 

Hi Alan

 

The adhesive was not specifically developed for SoLiD construction. It is a structural adhesive which was first used in the construction of wind turbine blades. The high stresses, bending forces, exposure to weather extremes suffered by wind turbines made it ideal for use in SoLiD construction. It is used in all our products.

 

Regards

David

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Hi caraman1

 

Your Elddis Retailer will follow the Standard Operational Procedure (SOP) provided by Elddis. All Elddis retailers and approved repair workshops are going through an extensive training program, which is currently being rolled out. This is the first training of it's kind in the industry.

 

Regards

Gary

 

 

 

  1. Congratulations on you new construction method, how does this affect panel repairs if you need a replacement??

Dave

 

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Good evening everyone,

I have watched the video on the Elddis website and it looks like the side access lockers, the window frames, and the service points such as EHU inlet and water inlet, are all bonded in place.

We all know that plastic can become brittle, and hinges break, so is the fact that these items are glued in place likely to cause problems in the future, should they require replacement?

Thanks,

Mary

Hi Mary

 

As part of the SoLiD Construction launch and the company’s continuous improvement within Customer Care, Elddis has implemented the most far-reaching and intensive repair training program of its kind. The training program is a pre-requisite for all Elddis-approved service centres and workshops and is another first in the caravan and motorhome industry.

 

This training include how to remove these items and replace where necessary.

 

This will ensure that all our approved Retailers and service centres are ready to undertake repairs where necessary.

 

Regards

 

David W

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Hi all

The question is how's the floor layers made up of, ,,

How Is the underfloor coverd I. e. plastic or other??

 

Joe. .

Hi Joe

The underside is covered in GRP for additional protection against water ingress. This combined with solid construction gives the ultimate protection.

Ta

Ross

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Thanks David. We visited the Elddis factory event in September, and found the production line tour very interesting - how much do you estimate that the bonding process adds to the strength of joints over traditional methods, and has it had any impact on reducing stress points as compared to screwed fixing?

 

Al.

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Hi Everyone, thanks for joining us! Nobody's asked me a question yet . .. who is going to be first?! :D

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Sadly I have to go out so cannot stay with the thread, but I have a couple of questions.

 

1. What can be used to remove the adhesive/bonding material that has not been fully removed from the paintwork?

 

2. With the lack of screws and mastic, is careful use of a pressure washer now possible or not, and lastly (feel free to be diplomatic)

 

3. Since construction using Solid began, are there any known reports at all of water ingress? Obviously a big resounding 'no' will send warm waves of comfort over us Elddis and Buccaneer owners!

 

A huge thumbs up on the design, build quality and functionality of the Affinity 530. Bloody brilliant!

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Thanks David. We visited the Elddis factory event in September, and found the production line tour very interesting - how much do you estimate that the bonding process adds to the strength of joints over traditional methods, and has it had any impact on reducing stress points as compared to screwed fixing?

 

Al.

Hi Alan

 

The bonding process results in joints many times stronger than traditional methods. The joints are akin to a continous weld spreading loads and stresses across the whole joint rather than the pont loads through traditional fixings.

We also bond the chassis to the floor. This allows the chassis and the floor to act as a combined structure. The results exceeded our expectations. In tests at Ford's testing facility the peak stresses were less than half those normally seen. BPW, our chassis suppliers were so surprised that they actually changed the measuring guages to make sure the results were real - which they were! The test van was actually at both NEC shows - and nobody noticed any wear and tear!

 

Regards

David

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Good evening everyone,

I have watched the video on the Elddis website and it looks like the side access lockers, the window frames, and the service points such as EHU inlet and water inlet, are all bonded in place.

We all know that plastic can become brittle, and hinges break, so is the fact that these items are glued in place likely to cause problems in the future, should they require replacement?

Thanks,

Mary

 

Hi Mary

 

As part of the SoLiD Construction launch and the company’s continuous improvement within Customer Care, Elddis has implemented the most far-reaching and intensive repair training program of its kind. The training program is a pre-requisite for all Elddis-approved service centres and workshops and is another first in the caravan and motorhome industry.

This training include how to remove these items and replace where necessary.

This will ensure that all our approved Retailers and service centres are ready to undertake repairs where necessary.

 

Regards

 

David W

Thank you for the quick reply David.

It sounds like replacement of, for example a water inlet, may no longer be a DIY operation. Can you confirm whether this the case?

Mary.

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interested to know what makes this process so unique to any other build process offered by other companies?

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Hi everyone, and thanks to all our posters so far :)

A quick note to all our guests viewing the thread (we can see you!)...remember that if you want to join in the discussion, you can create an account and sign-in in a matter of minutes.

Caravan Talk membership is completely free, and you'll be able to participate in all the forum discussions and our Ask The Expert evenings :lol:

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Thank you for the quick reply David.

It sounds like replacement of, for example a water inlet, may no longer be a DIY operation. Can you confirm whether this the case?

Mary.

Mary

 

in order to maintain the structural integrity we would recommend that these type of repairs are carried out by our retailers or approved service centres. This would also maintain the 10 year warranty.

 

Hope this clarifies the issue

 

Regards

 

David W

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Hi Everyone, thanks for joining us! Nobody's asked me a question yet . .. who is going to be first?! :D

Hello Rachel,

As I believe you are more involved in marketing than design, have you found that the dealerships have been generally receptive to this new bonding process? Also, what kind of feedback have you received at the caravan shows?

Pinocchio

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Mary

 

in order to maintain the structural integrity we would recommend that these type of repairs are carried out by our retailers or approved service centres. This would also maintain the 10 year warranty.

 

Hope this clarifies the issue

 

Regards

 

David W

Yes it does, and I understand your reasoning. Thank you.

I wish you well with this new construction method, and hope the evening goes well for both Elddis and Caravan Talk.

 

Mary

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Hi Ross
Thanks for the info,
I think in this day & age of manufacturing that the underfloor should be in some better form of covering, along the lines that you are putting on the SoLiD range of vans . ..

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Sadly I have to go out so cannot stay with the thread, but I have a couple of questions.

 

1. What can be used to remove the adhesive/bonding material that has not been fully removed from the paintwork?

 

2. With the lack of screws and mastic, is careful use of a pressure washer now possible or not, and lastly (feel free to be diplomatic)

 

3. Since construction using Solid began, are there any known reports at all of water ingress? Obviously a big resounding 'no' will send warm waves of comfort over us Elddis and Buccaneer owners!

 

A huge thumbs up on the design, build quality and functionality of the Affinity 530. ****** brilliant!

 

Hi alistairr,

 

Thank you for kind words about our Affinity 530 and build quality.

 

  1. Residue which may be seen is a result of our cleaning process. This is a diluted form of the adhesive. Once the caravan is clean (free from other dirt) the residue can be cleaned off using a dry lint free cloth. We are currently working with Henkel with the selection of an alternative cleaner which will resolve the issue in the future
  2. We do use pressure washers before we despatch the vehicles. It is wise not to directly point the jets directly at any rubber seals etc.
  3. The answers is no. We have had some reports of customers believing they’d had water ingress but upon investigation the SoLiD construction was sound. No problem with SoLiD construction

 

Thanks again

 

Alan

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Yes it does, and I understand your reasoning. Thank you.

I wish you well with this new construction method, and hope the evening goes well for both Elddis and Caravan Talk.

 

Mary

Mary

 

Many thanks for taking the time to ask us questions.

 

Regards

 

David

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interested to know what makes this process so unique to any other build process offered by other companies?

Hi Stuart

 

The bonded structure allows us to make the joints more like seem welds - along the whole length of the joint. This is far more effective than the point fixings of screws or bolts. The panels become structural components rather than mere cladding. When combined with the chassis bonded to the floor we have achieved the closest structure to a monocoque that we could. We've learnt from the best applications in truck and automotive and applied the applicable techniques. The result is a much more durable structure. Our last test van underwent 27,000 miles overloaded by 300kg. The van was intact - so much so that we took it to both NEC shows - and nobody noticed any wear and tear - apart from the 'GB' sticker on the back - whoops!!

 

Regards

David

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