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Thanks guys - not sounding great for me. ..

 

 

How would I get in contact with Ian Dunning?

 

Use the PM system? Click avatar and send message.

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There seems to be a bit of lack of understanding here. The stuff you have released in your van is seriously toxic. I am speaking with a professional hat on now, and I really think you may have done some irreparable damage to this vehicle. I am also worried about your health. The sulphur smell is just that - sulphur. As I said before, it released sulphur dioxide which make sulphurOUS (NOT sulphuric, but that is just as bad) acid. This is now attacking all the metalwork and, every time you go in, your lungs and airways. You cannot 'neutralise' an element - this is simply not going to happen. Charcoal will have no effect. As I say, I'm really not sure what the answer is - perhaps removing, washing and washing all the fabrics with sodium bicarbonate. I think you need specialist advice though. What about going down to your local fire service?

 

I have already sent Ian a PM but he is shown as having left, which seems unlikely.

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Yep - I stand corrected. Sulphurous acid, which is H2So3, not H2So4.

It's been a long time since GCE chemistry. :blink:

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Have you tried sliced onion. It kills paint odours overnight and other odours too.

You can try it overnight then throw the the onion away.

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There seems to be a bit of lack of understanding here. The stuff you have released in your van is seriously toxic. I am speaking with a professional hat on now, and I really think you may have done some irreparable damage to this vehicle. I am also worried about your health. The sulphur smell is just that - sulphur. As I said before, it released sulphur dioxide which make sulphurOUS (NOT sulphuric, but that is just as bad) acid. This is now attacking all the metalwork and, every time you go in, your lungs and airways. You cannot 'neutralise' an element - this is simply not going to happen. Charcoal will have no effect. As I say, I'm really not sure what the answer is - perhaps removing, washing and washing all the fabrics with sodium bicarbonate. I think you need specialist advice though. What about going down to your local fire service?

 

I have already sent Ian a PM but he is shown as having left, which seems unlikely.

 

Please listen to BFM, I've worked with this stuff in the labs; it is dangerous!

 

Contact your local fire department or health and safety office and do not go back in there.

 

If this stuff can corrode plastics and metals imagine what it can do to soft tissue. Please be careful!

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Try Chefs candles from Amazon. They work wonderful in removing cooking odours.

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Thanks Guys,

 

This did happen over a month ago. We have spent 2 nights in the camper over the past few weeks with no ill effects other than a slight sore throat in the morning.

 

I am continuing to air the van out with all the windows open 24/7 and now have the bicarb and charcoal trays in place. Do you think it is worth having some dishes of sacrificial water to absorb the sulphur and turn acidic?

 

I am also going to strip all the seat and bed coverings and hopefully the carpet, and get them all thoroughly washed in bicarb soda.

 

The odour was really bad initially, but is much reduced in the past few weeks. I think it is gradually clearing itself out, I'd just like any advice that you can offer on accelerating the process.

 

I'm not sure my local fire station will be able to help. I know a fireman, so I will ask his advice.

 

Thanks again,

Robin

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Why do you ask for advice and ignore it?

 

Your van is unsafe. Face the facts and start seeking some professional advice.

 

 

Pride before a fall, sir.

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Why do you ask for advice and ignore it?

 

Your van is unsafe. Face the facts and start seeking some professional advice.

 

 

Pride before a fall, sir.

:goodpost:

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Hi Guys,

 

Spoke to Environmental Health from my council. Because of how well ventilated the van has been and how long ago the chemical was released, they have advised that I don't need to get them out professionally to deal with a "chemical incident". They advised that I put baking soda and charcoal in the van, keep it as well ventilated as possible, and try to wash as much of the carpets and fabrics as possible using carpet shampoo with some baking soda mixed in. As a precaution, they advised I wear a mask while doing it.

 

They were not overly concerned, and said it would sort itself out over the next month or so.

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And I thought spilled milk in a car in hot sunshine was bad. I have learnt something from this thread as it has been very informative. Thanks.

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Hi Guys,

 

Spoke to Environmental Health from my council. Because of how well ventilated the van has been and how long ago the chemical was released, they have advised that I don't need to get them out professionally to deal with a "chemical incident". They advised that I put baking soda and charcoal in the van, keep it as well ventilated as possible, and try to wash as much of the carpets and fabrics as possible using carpet shampoo with some baking soda mixed in. As a precaution, they advised I wear a mask while doing it.

 

They were not overly concerned, and said it would sort itself out over the next month or so.

Hmmmmmm. :angry: In the meantime continue to wear your gas mask then ;) . ..Peter

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Well done for taking this seriously.

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There seems to be a bit of lack of understanding here. The stuff you have released in your van is seriously toxic. I am speaking with a professional hat on now, and I really think you may have done some irreparable damage to this vehicle. I am also worried about your health. The sulphur smell is just that - sulphur. As I said before, it released sulphur dioxide which make sulphurOUS (NOT sulphuric, but that is just as bad) acid. This is now attacking all the metalwork and, every time you go in, your lungs and airways. You cannot 'neutralise' an element - this is simply not going to happen. Charcoal will have no effect. As I say, I'm really not sure what the answer is - perhaps removing, washing and washing all the fabrics with sodium bicarbonate. I think you need specialist advice though. What about going down to your local fire service?

 

I have already sent Ian a PM but he is shown as having left, which seems unlikely.

 

Since sulphur dioxide and sulphurous compounds are ACIDIC they can be neutralised by using ALKALINES. That is basic chemistry. That said, what alkaline to use could be just as problematic, but Sodium Bicarbonate is a good candidate since it is fairly innocuous. It might take quite a while to have an effect just by air exposure. Most materials in the caravan should not be adversely affected by washing down with a mild Bicarb solution but be aware that any solution will become more and more acidic as it is used, so you will have to change the solution regularly.

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Well done for taking this seriously.

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Thanks. The seats are not easily removable, but I have thoroughly vacuumed them and beat them with my hands as I was doing it to agitate any surface dust.

 

I ordered one of those SaniGuard bombs as well, will give that a go.

 

Thanks.

Hi Robin.

 

The SaniGuard total release foggers and also the SaniGuard dry on contact spray is primarily a sanitiser and deodoriser which will kill bacteria and spores.

We would not recommend it's use on another chemical as there may be a conflict, depending on the actual chemical.

We also work regularly with dry mist hydrogen peroxide environmental decontamination technologies in healthcare, education, laboratories etc, we have had situations where cleaners have used too much chlorine in the pre clean, leading to evacuation of the premises!

 

Good luck with your quest,

 

Oliver.

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Hi,

Sorry I've been off the forum for a couple of weeks so I did not see this topic. Unfortunately I have nothing to add other than to say you should see your doctor as a precaution though permanent respiratory damage is unlikely,it is best to check.

As for the van i'm afraid it is a case of windows open and ventilation until the smell clears. You could help the situation by hiring a large industrial fan and running that at the door as it can't do any harm.

We all live and learn and thank you for sharing this with us but next time maybe a tin of fly spray?

Regards,

Ian,

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Just a thought, but might it be worth generously spreading dry bicarb over all the soft furnishings, leaving for a short while (say 15 mins) then vacuuming it up? Just thought it may have a similar effect to washing everything down, with the bonus of not having to dry everything out - start from the point furthest from the door when spreading & from the door inwards when vacuuming (so as not to grind it into the carpet too far.

 

possibly a non-starter, but thought I'd mention it :blush::ph34r:

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I'm getting a feeling uncomfortably similar to the form prefect here, but please don't vacuum sodium bicarbonate up! Your motor won't last long. ..

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I'm getting a feeling uncomfortably similar to the form prefect here, but please don't vacuum sodium bicarbonate up! Your motor won't last long. ..

Oh, ok, thanks for the advice & I stand duly corrected :)

I should have added to remove the worst with a dustpan & brush, & then just the residue by vacuum - further research also suggests leaving overnight as well before removal :o:blush:

Someone better advise the authors & publishers of those household hint books & websites though, because it's in quite a few of those to remove odours from carpets & upholstery :unsure:

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Not speaking from a base of experience here but,

 

Sounds like the so2 is in the fabrics, to my mind the way to remove would be to hire a wet vac from a local hire shop large two tank job, with a clean water and dirty water tank.

 

Wet vac all of the upholstry with a solution of upholstry cleaner with a good dose of bicarbonate of soda mixed in to neutralise the acid. Give it all a good going over then leave to dry and go again with a just shampoo and water mix.

 

Wont banjax the cleaner as the water doent come into contact with the moving parts.

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I'm getting a feeling uncomfortably similar to the form prefect here, but please don't vacuum sodium bicarbonate up! Your motor won't last long. ..

Why? on all of my vacuums none have anything running past the motor, filters is what we call them are in the way to stop this happening.

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Thinking a little sideways: could it be your exhaust catalytic convertor leaking? The sulphur smell being masked initially by the fly smell. Probably not, but just a thought. :unsure:

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I have just read all the way through this topic and though I have no experience of the problem and no expertise I can pass on can I say how impressed I am with you guys not only for the wealth of knowledge of many of you but for the genuine concern for the posters predicament.

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I have just read all the way through this topic and though I have no experience of the problem and no expertise I can pass on can I say how impressed I am with you guys not only for the wealth of knowledge of many of you but for the genuine concern for the posters predicament.

 

:goodpost: Agreed. When all's said and done you're a pretty decent bunch aren'tcha? :)

 

Genuinely appreciated feedback on this one everyone, thank you.

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