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Have just got back from a week in the south of England and stayed on 2 5van sites, the first for 2 days,second for 4. At the first site which had at one point 9 units on it!!, we were woken at 6-30 each morning by these people who we quess were workers from a local building site getting up, talking loudly and setting off in their vehicles. As we were only there for 2 nights we didn`t complain at the time. At the second site a woman seemed to be working nights as she left at tea time and returned at 6-30 next morning.

We prefer to use CL and CS`s and not the commercial sites but should these sites allow long term workers to stay as the noise from their activities is not fair on the "proper" campers

Any thoughts on this subject.

 

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We prefer to use CL and CS`s and not the commercial sites but should these sites allow long term workers to stay as the noise from their activities is not fair on the "proper" campers

Any thoughts on this subject.

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Sounds simple, but if you're not happy with the "service" provided, then complain. Do this initially to the site owner, and if you're not happy with the response, then pass on you comments to the appropriate authority (CC or C&CC). A reasonable complaint is usually taken on board, whilst if you go in with all guns blazing then you will probably get a hostile response. It's certainly worth mentioning the overcrowding though, as the 5 van limit forms part of the terms under which the site licence is granted.

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I have often stayed on Caravan Club sites where people go out early in the morning and arrive back in the evening. Its not always easy to identify everyone as going about their business. Pretty obvious maybe if they use a van as transport. I am not sure the CC rules forbid this type of use of their campsites. They do have a maximum stay of 21 days. It is a bit unfair to be woken up so early in the morning and perhaps a word with the owner might lead to them parking their vehicles more out of earshot. As far as the number of vans is concerned they appear to be breaking the terms and conditions of running a CL. If my information is correct it is the CC or CC&C who are the Licensing Authority as far as the CL/CS are concerned. If you are sure that all vans were occupied at the same time you should write to the Club involved. They will then investigate. If they get a persistent offender then they will removed them from their listing.

 

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Just to add some balance to the arguements put forward here. ..........looking at it from the point of view of the CL owner. ......it is November, the electric hook-up has cost several thoudands of pounds to install. ...the new mower has cost at least a grand. .........the grass needs mowing at least once a week during the summer etc etc etc!

 

Now don't get me wrong, the appeal of a CL is that you can find some semblence of peace for a short stay BUT in November. ....well they are long cold months with an empty field that has and continues to have a high investment for the site owner.

 

Do you really begrudge them to opportunity to site soem local workers during the winter months??????

 

Furthermore, what if the site owner decides that all that effort is not really worth the return and decides to shut down and hire his land to a local farmer to graze his sheep??

 

Put simply, if you don't like the site don't go back. ...................if we still want there to be people who provide us with land to pursue our hobby. ..............then perhaps we need to put up or shut up!!!!

 

IMO!

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We had a similar problem with a fisherman at Norfolk, (well not really, we never heard him)

He used to leave us a couple of large crabs every few days and apologise for the noise he made with the tractor pulling his boat.

Even though we told him it wasn't necessary and that we never heard him :huh:

 

Ha well he would say, its just in case :)

Paul B

. .......Mondeo Estate & Elddis Avanté 505 (Tobago)

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It is a difficult one, maybe a word to the owner about early morning noise would suffice. I posted about this last year after going away for 5 days and turing up to a CL that already had 6 vans on it and having to move after the first day to get a decent spot. But its swings and rounabouts, report them and run the possibility of losing a CL or put up with it, it was just a bit of an inconvenience for us and we did book late so were lucky to get in, but what about those who had booked in plenty of time and expect tha site to have 5 vans max. Arguements for both sides really :blink:

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It is a difficult one, maybe a word to the owner about early morning noise would suffice. I posted  about this last year after going away for 5 days and  turing up to a CL that already had 6 vans on it and having to move after the first day to get a decent spot. But its swings and rounabouts, report them and run the possibility of losing a CL or put up with it, it was just a bit of an inconvenience for us and we did book late so were lucky to get in, but what about those who had booked in plenty of time and expect tha site to have 5 vans max. Arguements for both sides really  :blink:

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Many CLs have an area or field which allows them to site additional 'vans up to 28 days of the year without breaking the rules. I think you're right about the swings and roundabouts as it would only be an issue for us if there were more than 5 crammed into a small area. I suspect most people don't complain either to the owner or their club but will just vote with their feet.

 

Mike

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we were woken at 6-30 each morning by these people who we quess were workers from a local building site getting up, talking loudly and setting off in their vehicles. As we were only there for 2 nights we didn`t complain at the time. At the second site a woman seemed to be working nights as she left at tea time and returned at 6-30 next morning.

 

 

Hi all

 

surely wether it is a CL/CS we should still expect people staying there to go off site quietly before a certain time.

 

So We get our moneys worth out of our caravan we go to work from our caravan some times then we have some pleasant evenings sitting outside.

But we always go quietly, to our car.

The Manager should have a word with the people concerned.

 

peter

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From a Wardens point of view - it is difficult to stop a member (of either club) stopping on (either club) sites. If the site is generally quiet then the revenue may be welcome as long as the people "behave" themselves.

 

On the other hand, both clubs operate their sites as "leisure facilities" and not as a workman's/businessman's convenience to make more money and to this end I have always denied workers a pitch for more than a few days. ............

 

Difficult, especially trying to deny a member a pitch. ...........

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I personally know of one seasonal pitch at a CC site which is used as accomodation during the week and then is vacant at weekend when the member travels home.

This has been the case for the past two seasons to my knowledge. I don't know what happens to the gent out of season. He appears to be an officeworker/rep and is quiet when leaving for work.

There must be others throughout the system.

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Although we both work, we will be staying on a commercial site in our caravan for about 2 - 3 months over the winter period until we can find a suitable place to rent. I like to think that we are considerate to our neighbours even though my wife leaves for work at about 5:30 am.

I don't really see a problem as the owner of a CL would welcome a more or less regular income for a few weeks, after all they have to pay upkeep etc. The same would apply to a commercial site during the quiet season.

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We agree with the comments about revenue out of season for the site owners but just how do you start a diesel engined car/van quietly at 6-30 am and leave it running whilst you de-ice it etc, maybe a compromise if the vehicles where parked well away from the pitches to avoid noise. Caravans offer very little soundproofing and as stated in an earlier post they are sites for leisure, and their needs (sleep)should come first. But do think the 5 van rule should be stuck to or whats the point in having them.

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The 5 van limit is actually a legal requirement, not a club rule, in order to comply with local authority regulations, and owners could lose their licence if they continually flout this law. Also, legally, a caravan can not stay for longer than 3 weeks at a time.

In order to get good use out of our caravan, we sometimes stay not far from home at weekends, and my other half travels to work, but he parks off the CL field, and leaves very quietly. It's just a matter of manners and consideration - some people are a bit short on these.

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In order to get good use out of our caravan, we sometimes stay not far from home at weekends, and my other half travels to work, but he parks off the CL field, and leaves very quietly.   It's just a matter of manners and consideration - some people are a bit short on these.

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We are the same. In fact, when booking, I often ask if it is a problem for my husband to leave the site at 6am - most say not a problem, some say to park away from the vans, but to be honest - I don't hear him get up and leave the van most times, let alone start the car.

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. ................Also, legally, a caravan can not stay for longer than 3 weeks at a time. .............

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Not quite true:

 

CC have a mximum stay of 21 nights,

C&CC have a maximum stay of 28 nights.

 

Don't know about commercial sites, but would think that CLs and CSs would reflect their respective club policies.

 

To make it clear, the above relates to Main Club Sites

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We are the same.   In fact, when booking, I often ask if it is a problem for my husband to leave the site at 6am - most say not a problem, some say to park away from the vans, but to be honest - I don't hear him get up and leave the van most times, let alone start the car.

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Both clubs' main sites require you to park outside if you want to arrive later than 11pm or depart earlier than 7am. Problem is - how far is outside the gate?

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Not quite true:

 

CC have a mximum stay of 21 nights,

C&CC have a maximum stay of 28 nights.

 

Don't know about commercial sites, but would think that CLs and CSs would reflect their respective club policies.

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CC is also 28 days :)

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CC is also 28 days  :)

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CC club rule 3a page 261 of handbook states 21days. Has this been changed?

 

Brian

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CC club rule 3a page 261 of handbook states 21days. Has this been changed?

 

Brian

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CC Sites directory & Handbook 2005/2006 p272 says Please do not ask CL owners to let you stay longer than 28 cosecutive days

 

Me thinks they should make their mind up :)

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I don't know many CL owners that don't have people staying much longer than 28 days. Seems to be the norm now.

 

As I said earlier, I would rather go to a site that has more than 5 vans on it or has people who stay longer than 28 days and for that matter has people who are working and use their caravan as a base.

 

It really comes down to this. ..... I am sure many of you have noticed how it is becoming increasingly difficult to find a site that is not already fully booked, take Easter for instance, many sites are fully booked already!! Therefore, for the long term survival of our hobby, I think we need to get a little bit more realistic about our expectations, if a CL owner can make a few extra pounds by having long term workers on the field thus ensuring that the CL remains open, then I don't mind. If I owned a CL and I had members moaning and groaning about the number of vans, the hour at which people rise etc, I would make damm sure I was full for that person in the future!

 

There is an alternative. ......and that is to sell your van and hire a cottage in the middle of nowhere. ....problem solved!!!!! :)

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From a workers point of view,

 

I when I was self employed the caravan was a vital part of my equipment, It enabled me, as an electrical inspector roving all over the south of the Country to work economically, and to make a PROFIT,

Also eat well prepared food ( Mine !! ) and sleep in a bed not populated with micro life left by other persons .

 

I was always in great pains to leave and arrive with as little noise as possible,

 

I is a pity that people using their caravans for holidays are not as considerate, many times, on both CC and other sited I am woken by early starters for the journey home, late arrivals from pubs and resturants, who insist on chatting or saying " good night see you tomorrow" endlessly, barking dogs left in the van whilst the owner is out socialising elsewhere on the site, loud televisions / radios

LOUD CHILDREN,

 

So dont just pick on a few workers who preferr their own personel accomadation, just look around you, there are many other irritations on a camp / caravan site to be addressed as well

 

Phew rant over :D

 

Happy New Year

Ps any good sites near Runaway Bay in Jamacia for the first two weeks in Feb, or have I got to share the bed with aforesaid microlife :)

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