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Hullo to you all. glad to be back.

This Saturday my local suzuki dealer is going to let me have a new chipped 2. OL diesel G/Vitara 5 door to test. l have owned a 2. 0l petrol one for the past 3 years and l tow a bailey disco 200 with it. l have found this to be a very good tow car. lve been impressed with way we have climb some very steep hills in Devon/Somerset and Dorset. The diesel vitara is known for being under powered compared to the petrol. What l would like to know is does this impair the engine over time. This is fitted l believe by the dealer.

Your comments much apreciated.

 

Regards to you all Terry/Sheila

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Hi Terry and Sheila

 

Working on diesel engines all my working life the majority of diesels will take some tuning without giving any problems. Before they do suffer they will be throwing out black smoke. When I say tuning with modern engines this is done by chipping. Not sure on Suzuki but have been informed this engine is not stressed so it should take a chip without problem, infact interesting to hear what you think of it.

 

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Pete

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Hi Terry and Sheila

 

Working on diesel engines all my working life the majority of diesels will take some tuning without giving any problems. Before they do suffer they will be throwing out black smoke. When I say tuning with modern engines this is done by chipping. Not sure on Suzuki but have been informed this engine is not stressed so it should take a chip without problem, infact interesting to hear what you think of it.

 

Regards

Pete

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To increase power / torque in a diesel engine you (simply he says!) alter the fuel map and the turbo wastegate. The problem with over fuelling is that you then start to put out smoke. The problem with over boosting and over fuelling is that cylinder pressures rise (to generate the extra torque) which can then lead to head gasket problems and long term issues with the engine internals. I'd check as it probably is not a factory warranted conversion and would invalidate the Suzuki warranty. Definitely would invalidate your insurance if you don't declare it (and you get found out).

 

Simon.

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We were going to have our car chipped last year but the insurance was going to be increased by almost £200 per year, and the excess was also being trebled, not just for having an accident but for windscreen cover and everything else. That soon made my mind up what to do, and the answere was not to bother

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I had mine chipped about a year ago and the insurance went up one group - about £40. No other insurance problems - no excess increase or anything. Perhaps it would be wise to shop around? I'm insured through the Carvan Club BTW!

 

Martin W

Discovery D3 HSE + Coachman VIP 575/4 2016

www.pennplanning.co.uk

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Hi

 

When you think about it they do!!!

 

Take for instance an Audi A4. ....you could have a 90 BHP, 110 BHP, 115 BHP or 130 BHP car, it is the exact same engine etc just with a little more grunt. ......with alot more money charged for the privilidge.

 

If you go to SAAB, it gets even more ridiculous. ....you can buy a non turbo 1. 8 i, which is actually a 2. 0 litre, or the same engine, the 2. 0 t which has I think 160 BHP, or the 2. 0 T which has 175 BHP or even the Aero which is the 2. 0 T with extra oomph at 210 BHP!!!!!!!!

 

It is mad!, but where it get even more bizzare is that if you buy the cheapest smallest powered car (thuis saving lots of money) and get it chipped aftermarket, a) you may invalidate your warranty and B) your insurance will be higher than if you simply bought the more expensive car.

 

Anyone would think there is a bit of a conspiracy going on to prevent people from saving money.

 

I know that on other forums (car related) many people have certain chips that are undetectable by the dealer, due to the mapping that takes place. ...but whether I would take the risk is a different matter!

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Some Rover agents were offering upgrades for the BMW diesels fitted in the 75s. I did read on one forum that some VAG agents would perform a remap providing that the car was returned to then for servicing,blackmail or what?As far as insurance is concerned,some companies will not entertain any form of performance upgrade,Churchill being one example that I approached. Others simply move the vehicle up one group,as has already been mentioned. I don't intend to uprate my Passat as it has sufficient 'grunt' already. :)

Frank

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Found the ABI (Assoc of British Insurers) website with insurance groups for cars

 

http://www. abi. org. uk/carinsurance/default. asp

 

I'm thinking of having mine chipped, presently 115 BHP. Interestingly this is quoted as insurance group 12, so too is the 130BHP Alhambra.

 

Regards

 

David, Callum and Connor (NRF)

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Found the ABI (Assoc of British Insurers) website with insurance groups for cars

 

http://www. abi. org. uk/carinsurance/default. asp

 

I'm thinking of having mine chipped, presently 115 BHP. Interestingly this is quoted as insurance group 12, so too is the 130BHP Alhambra.

 

Regards

 

David, Callum and Connor (NRF)

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Thanks every body for your thoughts on the subject of chippin

g engines. It gladdens my heart to know there are people out willing to empart their knowledge on any subject regarding caravanning and related subjects. when l have this day long test this saturday l will let youall know my findings.

thanks again. terry and sheila

ps. how l put my car and caravan at the bottom of my messages. ;) .

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I had mine chipped about a year ago and the insurance went up one group - about £40. No other insurance problems - no excess increase or anything. Perhaps it would be wise to shop around? I'm insured through the Carvan Club BTW!
Martin W

Was it a worthwile investment having your car chipped. Where did you get the work done. Thanks Tom.

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Hello All,

 

I have a 2004 Freelander TD4 and when ringing round for insurance specifically asked them how much it would be 'chipped'. I did this as the car is brand new and I want to see what its like 'normal' first.

 

The price would only go up £50 however I am looking at a plug in device rather than a chip upgrade, as I will take it off for servicing (even asked the dealer) and the plug in device should take 5 mins to take off / put on.

 

Power go's up from 112bhp to 140bhp and 260nm to 330nm

 

Have to say so far I think its fine as it is. ....but then I'm runing it in for the first 600 miles (says in book anyway?)

 

Cheers

Scott

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Tom a,

 

I debated all sorts before having mine done. Settled on a Van Aaken plug in type. I visited their workshops in Crowthorne (Berkshire) where they fitted it for free. It was the first time they had fitted to to 2002 TD5 so took them a little time.

 

Was it worth it? YES, YES, YES!!!!!!

 

The car is really fun to drive now, this is especially shocking since it is a Discovery! I think the ACE (stops it rolling on corners) helps. The power is very much improved from very low down the revs but surges wonderfully at about 2750 rpm, just right in 3rd gear for 40 - 45 mph and about 50 - 55 in 4th. Towing a caravan is now easy. We went down to Spain two years agao and found 3rd gear necessary on long hills. Last year? 5th mostly and 4th sometimes (ok, there was one 3rd gear!).

 

My advice would certainly be, go for it, enjoy your car. Pete B (Moderator) was partly to blame for my final decision (thanks Pete). I have never regretted it :D

 

Martin W

Discovery D3 HSE + Coachman VIP 575/4 2016

www.pennplanning.co.uk

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Hi Terry and Sheila

Working on diesel engines all my working life the majority of diesels will take some tuning without giving any problems. Before they do suffer they will be throwing out black smoke. When I say tuning with modern engines this is done by chipping. Not sure on Suzuki but have been informed this engine is not stressed so it should take a chip without problem, infact interesting to hear what you think of it.

Regards

Pete

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Hi Pete

l had the new chipped G/Vitara yesterday for a 4 hr test drive. l was impressed by the way it accerated in the rev range between 2000 and 3000 which is in the region of 50 60 plus which if towing would be ideal. also l was doing 70 and started to overtake a lorry on the dreaded A34 and seem to pick its self up and run. l hav`nt had that experience since l had a Porsche in my 40 something life change. This would also be attributed to the turbo kicking in. the engine in the vitara is a Peoguet [i wish i could spell it]. which l believe has good name as far as diesels go. the bhp goes up by about 20 from 115 to 135 according to service manager and is fitted by Suzuki. So how this affects the insurance lm told it shouldn`t,

ps. l looked in the mirror and did not see any clouds of smoke when accelerating hard. also the engine only had 1700 on the clock. They say the fastest cars on the roads are hire cars and chipped diesels going for a test drive.

 

Regards Terry.

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the bhp goes up by about 20 from 115 to 135 according to service manager and is fitted by Suzuki. So how this affects the insurance lm told it shouldn`t,

 

Regards Terry.

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Terry,

 

I work very closely with the insurance industry (I am at Thatcham for a meeting tomorrow in fact) and I know for a fact that if you modify your car away from the specification it left the factory in (anything aesthetic making it more attractive to thieves or altering its performance / handling characteristics) and you do not inform your insurer then you are effectively not insured. This is called 'non disclosure' and nullifies your insurance meaning that you are really driving without any - just think of the penalty points on your license once you actually got it back if you got caught.

 

It's the same 'white lie' if you tell them your car is a 1. 6 then you install a 2. 0 engine without telling them.

 

It's not only the engine management ECU chips software that differs on a high output vs low output - often they have bigger brakes, different suspension settings, higher speed-rated tyres etc. Manufacturers would not put them on the high output car if they could get away without as it costs more money - they are there for safety's sake - something the computer whizz kids involved in chipping engines know little or nothing about. Just because its available through a Suzuki dealer does not make it a Suzuki approved conversion - the dealers are part of a franchised chain that buy vehicles from Suzuki UK which itself is a company that buys and then imports vehicles from Suzuki's factory in Japan. The dealer is in fact nothing to do with the parent company!

 

Food for thought!

 

Si.

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Simon, good reply!

 

As I have said, I informed my insurance company and they uprated my vehicle by one class - so I'm covered?

 

In terms of the car being capable of the additional power. I don't think I have a problem as the car has a 4 litre petrol derivative that puts out about 190 BHP! Land Rover do not alter the suspension brakes etc. as far as I am aware (so says the specialist mags!).

 

Martin W

Discovery D3 HSE + Coachman VIP 575/4 2016

www.pennplanning.co.uk

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Simon, good reply!

 

As I have said, I informed my insurance company and they uprated my vehicle by one class - so I'm covered?

 

In terms of the car being capable of the additional power. I don't think I have a problem as the car has a 4 litre petrol derivative that puts out about 190 BHP! Land Rover do not alter the suspension brakes etc. as far as I am aware (so says the specialist mags!).

 

Martin W

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Thanks for the kind words Martin - you're right the Landy is beefy enough as it is, although the Overfinch conversion (5. 7 V8 Chevy with 300+ BHP) has uprated suspension, brakes and ZR rated tyres - and it's a bitch to insure!

 

Anyone wanting to insure a modded vehicle should try Adrian S Flux and Co.

 

Si.

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Hi

 

We had a Passat Estate 1. 9 TDI (L Reg) which we considered chipping so that we could have the power to pull the Bailey Provence. Looking at this in more detail and with the info from our friendly VW mechanics we decided it is not merely the hp that needs to be increased with bigger heavier vans but the weight of the car. Our old Passat could not pull over 1200 fully laden and chipping it would have given it the power to pull but it would not have been safe with the weight of the car. The insurance would also have gone through the roof. We now have a Passat Estate 1. 9 PD TDI (V reg) towing weight laden is 1600 with the Provence being 1206 unladen we have plenty of scope for filling the van. We could consider chipping this car as the weight is more than adequate for the van. However, if we get into chipping something must be wrong. The low down torque is exceptional in this diesel but as yet I will have to wait until May before we get the van to really see how the car will pull - I am not expecting any problems though - unless someone out there knows otherwise.

 

Emma

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Hi

 

  We now have a Passat Estate 1. 9 PD TDI (V reg) towing weight laden is 1600 with the Provence being 1206 unladen we have plenty of scope for filling the van.   We could consider chipping this car as the weight is more than adequate for the van.  

 

Emma

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Hi Emma,

 

Your max towing weight of 1600kg is the max theoretical mass the car can pull from stand-still up a 12% gradient or hill. This does not necessarily mean that you can pull a 1600kg laden van safely. You probably know this already but to work out a safe MTPLM for your van, take your cars kerbweight (car + fluids and usually 75kg for a driver) and then multiply by 0. 85. To tow a van with a MPTLM of 1420kg, you need a car with a kerb weight of at least 1420kg (van must not be able to be heavier than the car) and ideally 1420/0. 85 = 1671kg or more. This is to limit the possibility of the caravan tipping the car over should all go belly up and the van turn over.

 

Mondeo Esatates (new shape) are around 1500 to 1600 kg, so I assume the Passat is similar in weight, so you're van to car ratio is probably around 95% (Caravan Club recommend max 85%). I guess the moral of the story is to take less shoes away with you. Tried that on my wife, but we tow our Carolina with a Land Rover Discovery weighing in at around 2000kg! Oh well - Emelda Marcos and I are yet to use our new van - it tows lovely empty!!

 

Simon.

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