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Would you or wouldn't you?

 

You're selling a car, it has an intermittent fault that can't be fixed without a diagnosis costing somewhere in the region of £500. Then, there is the cost of the part needed to fix it which might be anywhere between £20 and £1200 depending on whats found

 

Whilst showing a prospective buyer the vehicle, it will start and drive fine and they will happily pay the price and drive away happy. Conceivably the fault will occur within 4 miles but maybe not. But, its SOLD OR SEEN so tough?

 

btw the fault is whilst stationary, an idle that drops becomes lumpy and eventually the engine stops unless you rev the engine up again or drive off. Apart from that it drives fine and the problem doesn't happen EVERY time you stop.

 

I know which line I'd take but I've been asking around and I've had some surprising opinions!

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Hi Matt,

 

Below is an extract from the "Sale of Goods Act" which you may find useful.

I have edited it down as it goes on for ever.

 

It may help you decide.

 

Cheers

 

Steve

 

p. s. Do you drive a BMW as my brother in law had the same fault.

 

QUOTE

Section 14 Implied terms about quality or fitness

For the purposes of this Act, goods are of satisfactory quality if they meet the standard that a reasonable person would regard as satisfactory, taking account of any description of the goods, the price (if relevant) and all the other relevant circumstances.

For the purposes of this Act, the quality of goods includes their state and condition and the following (among others) are in appropriate cases aspects of the quality of goods –

1. fitness for all the purposes for which goods of the kind in question are commonly supplied,

2. appearance and finish,

3. freedom from minor defects,

4. safety, and

5. durability.

 

2. The term implied by subsection (2) above does not extend to any matter making the quality of goods satisfactory –

1. which is specifically drawn to the buyer's attention before the contract is made,

2. where the buyer examines the goods before the contract is made, which that examination ought to reveal.

 

Second-hand goods involved a great deal more flexibility of treatment, since used goods may be expected to be less efficient or less long lasting than new goods and this is reflected in the price. But the courts applied the condition of merchantability to second-hand goods, where appropriate. Lord Denning suggested that merchantability 'means, that on the sale of a second-hand car, it is merchantable if it is in usable condition, even though not perfect . .. A buyer should realise that, when he buys a second-hand car, defects may appear sooner or later; and in the absence of express warranty, he has no redress.'

UNQUOTE :wacko: :wacko:

Jaguar E-Pace 180D HSE R Dynamic - 2008 Swift Conqueror 540

 

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Cheers Steve :D

 

I've got a 1999 Frontera diesel 2. 2 DTI but would much prefer a BMW ;)

 

Can I ask some questions of your brother in laws car as I'm looking for any clues at all?

 

1. What model

2. what year

3. what mileage

4. are the symptoms he's getting exactly the same as mine

5. how longs he had the problem

6. what sort of work has he had done to it regarding the fault

7 what is the general opinion as to what MIGHT be wrong

 

we're at our wits end here, so any info. would be much appreciated.

 

Many thanks

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Hi Matt,

 

He did eventually get his fixed at a garage that specialises in BMW's but were not a BMW franchise. The local BMW dealer could find no fault codes on the ECU so said the fault could not exist.

 

I will speak to him asap and let you know what they did. I know it was some sort of valve but it was not particularly expensive.

 

Cheers

 

Steve

Jaguar E-Pace 180D HSE R Dynamic - 2008 Swift Conqueror 540

 

"Unless otherwise stated, my posts will be my personal thoughts and have the same standing as any other member of Caravan Talk"

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Matt

 

£500 for a diagnosis sounds a bit off. Typical diagnosis should be £50-£100, I know I have had the misfortune of having a couple done recently on several different makes of cars, including a Merc, official dealer diagnosis 1 hour at about £75. I think someone is taking the hand out of you, hopefully it is a sensor and not the ECU.

 

Cheers

 

fatcol

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Matt

 

£500 for a diagnosis sounds a bit off. Typical diagnosis should be £50-£100, I know I have had the misfortune of having a couple done recently on several different makes of cars, including a Merc, official dealer diagnosis 1 hour at about £75. I think someone is taking the hand out of you, hopefully it is a sensor and not the ECU.

 

Cheers

 

fatcol

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I hear what you say fatcol but if an engines playing up and the fault codes tell you nothing - if the engines a bit mileagey (100k) whereby things wear out rather than break prematurely, I don't know what other option a garage has but to use process of elimination in the old fashioned way. Theres no way I'm going to pay all that money for a diagnosis and I was quoting a worst case scenario! Its booked in to a third place on Friday where I'll throw another couple of hundred quid at it then if that doesn't work I'll set light to it. :rolleyes:

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Why not phone a few dealers and ask for the service manager or for a mechanic (sorry technician :huh: ) and ask him if they have come across this problem before.

 

also the parts stores he/she knows what they use, and why. :)

 

you could even try the AA, RAC Green Flag etc. 1/2 hour on the phone could work out a lot cheaper.

Paul B

. .......Mondeo Estate & Elddis Avanté 505 (Tobago)

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Matt

 

I have a 2000 2. 2 DTI Frontera LWB as well. .

 

This engine has three main weaknesses

 

The mass air meter gives false readings - cost 80 (ebay) - 120 (Dealer). This can be dignosed by any garage with a VX fault code reader. Does the engine managment light come on under load? It takes 2 mins to fit, and anyone with a screw driver can do it.

 

Injector bleed off pipes leak - causing bad starting and poor idling. Real cheap (£2 parts) and about 30 mins work. Takes a while to start after though.

 

Vacuum pipe problems - EGR, wastegate, manifold butterfly are all vacuum powered (as is the shift-on-the-fly 4WD). These pipes and occasionally the solenoids leak or fail.

 

Less normal problems

 

Injector to head seals, any competant diesel garage can do this

 

Fuel Pump probs (this engine use the Bosch VP44 pump - as do lots of Audi and VW's). Have you chipped the engine at all? This shows up as leaks of diesel and very poor performance

 

EGR problems - easy to take off and clean

 

Gav

 

PS The flywheel is of the dual mass variety - mine failed at 105k miles

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PS The flywheel is of the dual mass variety - mine failed at 105k miles

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Nail on the head. This is what the diagnosis was. Well 90% diagnosis :rolleyes: . Everything else was checked and the pump showed up ok as the engine played up whilst they had it hooked up. At the same time, as it was running, they upped the idle speed to a fraction under 1000 and this got rid of the juddery idle thus "ironing out the problem" So far all is well and now I can sell it with a clearish concience. Its not spot on but it hasn't got a defined fault anymore.

 

btw I wouldn't sell a car with a known major fault as I wouldn't want it done to me. I know lots would, but that don't make it right.

 

Thanks for the replies

 

PS Bofus, what were the symptoms with your DMF failiure?

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Hi

 

Just to add my two penneths worth!

 

If you are selling the car then the person will take it for a test drive and if it does not do it on the test drive and if the person does not get a mechanic to check the car over then i'm afraid it is buyer beware, a simple statement such as sold as seen on the receipt that both of you sign and keep a copy covers you from any redress.

 

The other issues is that everybody who buys a car privately knows that if you want to get a car for a price that is cheaper than a typical forecourt price then you take the risk. ...we probably all have over the years!

 

Finally, I bought a car that had been an insurance write off and this was not declared by the seller, it actually affected the driving characteristics and I lost a fair bit of money on it. .............but when I reported it to the police, they were not the leat bit interested, said it was a civil matter and nothing to do with then ( I assume they were all out manning speed traps!!!)

 

So the issue really comes down to morals!!! But, if you allow the person to take if for a test drive and letthem have a good look around the car, then you could argue that you have done all that is required of you. .........you could also knock a few hundred off the book price if your conscience cant cope with the guilt!!

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