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We propose to do a lot of travelling in the near future and stay on various sites around the UK. At present we are trying to find if any one has successfully used their mobile phone as a modem in order to download data.

I am aware of how to set it up physically but no one can explain to me how to set up the laptop to operate via the phone. Can you select any service provider or are you locked into the network supplier as an ISP? Would you still have to log in with a username and password etc. Is additional software for the phone and laptop required?

Unfortunately although the people in the service call centres know that you can connect onto the open Internet, they are unable to tell me how. At present I am considering the O2 3G network and 3G itself however with 3G itself not too keen in conversing with someone in India as I have great difficulty in understanding them. Any advice would be appreciated.

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I have used a laptop in the caravan via a mobile phone and GPRS. Orange sent complete details on how to set up the phone and the laptop. It works but does seem to be very slow and although you pay depending on the amount downloaded, if you think about it, you have little choice as to how much is downloaded as you have no control over any site if you see what I mean.

I now use a pda with my mobile and that is set up as a normal line ie I dial Tiscali and then enter my username and password. This is even slower that GPRS so I only use it to check email. I have unsuccessfully tried using GPRS with my pda, once again, no one seems to be able to tell me how to set up my pda!!!!!!!!!!!

Due to the speed I now rarely use the internet in the caravan.

I didnt have to load any specific software.

I should also add that I was on a site a few months ago which had a wireless connection but once again I had problems making the connection, in fact, never succeeded!!!!!!!

I shall be interested to hear of others' experiences.

Not sure if the above is any help but its a start!!!!!!!!!

Gerry

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I used to design this sort of stuff.

 

> any one has successfully used their mobile phone as a modem in order to download data.

 

Yes. I have doen it in many different ways. It's not spectacularly fast but it does work. It depends on your service provider.

 

O2, T-mobile (virgin) and Vodaphone all provide standard CSD/WAP connections, and in addition Orange can provide HSCSD (High speed data).

All four UK GSM networks provide GPRS. (Packet radio)

 

3G networks (W-CDMA/UMTS) theoratically permits very high data transfer rates, but in some cases this can cause 3G phones to actually melt (Well, it happened on a couple of prototypes).

 

 

> how to set up the laptop to operate via the phone.

 

Not difficult - depends on the connection method i. e. hardwire (usually USB) or Bluetooth.

You oftne need to set up TCP/IP manually on the client to get it to work. Remember that GPRS uses dynamic IP allocation.

 

 

>Can you select any service provider or are you locked into the network supplier as an ISP?

 

You can use most ISPs. However some freecall/low rate numbers usee by ISPs i. e. Wanadoo are not available via the mobile network.

 

 

> Would you still have to log in with a username and password etc.

 

You will still need your normal username and password to log on to your ISP.

 

 

>Is additional software for the phone and laptop required?

 

You should not in theory require any addtional sodtware, but it will depend on what is already there on your laptop.

 

 

 

> Unfortunately although the people in the service call centres know that you can connect onto the open Internet, they are unable to tell me how.

 

:D Sorry. ..... can't help laughing. You need a Geek.

 

 

> At present I am considering the O2 3G network and 3G itself however with 3G itself not too keen in conversing with someone in India as I have great difficulty in understanding them. Any advice would be appreciated.

 

Send me a PM.

 

;)

 

 

> I should also add that I was on a site a few months ago which had a wireless connection but once again I had problems making the connection, in fact, never succeeded!!!!!!!

 

802. 11b/g WiFi can be a bit of a pain unless you know exactly what to do . ......

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Ian

 

I use my Nokia 6100 connected to my Dell laptop. It works but is slow and expensive, particularly in Europe. You usually need a phone which has a modem and software can be downloaded from the phone manufacturer website. Unless you have Bluetooth you can connect via a USB data cable. This forum is very useful so might be worth a look. http://www. filesaveas. co. uk/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB. pl#mobile

 

David

David - Milton Keynes

Bailey Alliance 66-2 Motorhome for holidays and a Kia Venga for home.

 

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I use a Mac laptop & setting up a link to my O2 PDA (GPRS) was a nightmare. .I tried. .. O2 tec support tried (very hard to be fair) but I gave up in the end & purchased a proper keyboard for my PDA & use that instead. Fast enough for emails & ltd browsing. I will try again with a Nokia phone shortly & if that doesn't work I will buy a 3g card & sell the kids to pay for it.

If you want to do it properly then you need the 3g card for your laptop but that hurts. Even using GPRS is expensive unless you have a corporate deal with a bundle of data included.

Ironically I want to use the Internet lots in the van, check opening times, weather forecasts, site bookings etc.

Mal

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Have tried several different set up with laptop and phone, but nothing seems to work at any speed, suppose that is the downfall of having a 2MB connection at home.

 

I eventually decided to get a decent mobile and read my emails and surf some basic sites from it. Although not brilliant I can send/receive emails, check the weather/surf conditions, footie scores etc.

 

I am sure in the future sites will start to take computer users into account, either by wireless or fixed means.

 

At the moment I make do and as my partner keeps telling me, relax, have another beer, you are supposed to be on holiday!!

 

Regards

 

Trevor

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I'd like to connect on site for occassional work purposes also - but am banned by my company from using GPRS - in any case it would be too slow for my needs. However, I've found if you ask the wardens/managers of the site in advance of your visit -and explain why you need access, they are happy to accomodate a quick dial up if you need it!

 

Personally, I think we (as customers) ought to be asking for internet access onsite much more. I suspect the site owners are not aware of the demand, and are probably confused by the technology available. It's up to us to help them make an economic case to install and run the technology that we can use - after all Wireless hotspots are becoming much more common these days, especially in other areas of the leisure industry like hotels and restaurants.

 

Anyone interested in setting up some standard letters that we can use to lobby the clubs, magazines and commercial sites ? I'm happy to put together some drafts if we have a reasonable number of interested caravanners who are willing to send them, and start an awareness campaign?

 

Cheers

Sarah

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Personally, I think we (as customers) ought to be asking for internet access onsite much more.

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Hi,

I work in a very large company, the MOD, and have never known of anybody that is forced by their managers to use the web whilst not at work. We have personnel who are on call on a rotational basis, they are provided with a mobile phone and have to stay within a certain distance of their work place. (They are paid an allowance)

If there are a lot of you out there that are forced to use the web whilst on holiday, I feel you should confront your company managers and try and get it stopped. Make the company find a solution not yourselves. The introduction of Internet access on site may increase the site fees for everybody.

I feel when staff is on leave, they should be on leave not worrying about work. !!!

(sorry working at home is a pet hate!!!)

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Gizmoman,

 

I tend to agree with your sentiments - employees should not have to work when they are on leave, but there are valid exceptions for a few of us working out there in the virtual commercial world.

 

As a professional working Mum, I work from home when I can. Taking my laptop away to do a bit of work when in the caravan isn't much different to logging on at home at home in the evening to check my work emails . .. especially when I have "traded" a few office hours to allow me to be involved in my kids education or hobbies.

 

I also work for a small specialist consultancy - in an even more specialised discipline - so back up for me is not easily available . .. which would probably be the case in a larger enterprise. As such, I get well paid for me knowledge and skills so expect the occassional piece of work to pop up at unsociable times.

 

Also, the combination of school hols and the peaks and troughs of demand for my skills sometimes don't coincide - and rather than cancel a booked vacation I'd like to go on hols with my family . .. let them scoot off and have a good time for a few hours while I attend to business. Otherwise we all have to cancel, or I have to stay behind.

 

I don't think putting in internet connections will raise the cost of site fees - as I said, each site needs to make a business case to ensure that adding this facility will be profitable for them. I think it will also attract users in off peak times - if we didn't have the kids I'd quite happily toddle off to a site at this time of year for a change of scene, even if I did have to put in a few hours work during the day.

 

I could get tough with my company, and refuse to work unless they provide me with the technology, but that would only solve the problem for me . .. I think there is a reasonable demand out there which the site owners will be interested to assess.

 

Cheers

Sarah

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Hi,

I am sorry to hear of your problems (trying to juggle things around children) I guess it sounds that your Company is doing you a favour!!

I know of quite a few women who have gone back to work after having children.

Generally if there is a problem etc they have to take leave to attend to it. So you're quite lucky then :D

Never mind only another ????? years to go :angry:

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I would love to leave the computer at home but seeing as I am the boss of my little company I expect myself to keep in touch with what's happening:)

We all juggle work around home & being self employed means I juggle more balls at different times. Given that I have to work on my computer I just want to do it FAST!

So please can we have hot spots on sites . .... I will happily pay extra in order to get my work done faster & spend more time killing the kids and drinking beer!

Count me in on the letter sending squad Sarah.

Regards

Mal

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If I could leave the laptop and work at home then I would.

 

Part of the agreement I have is that when I would like a long weekend, or to get away early to miss the traffic, then my boss is accommodating.

 

This however means that I would need to check for messages at the end of the day or even work a couple of hours whilst sat in the caravan.

 

To me this is a great trade off, meaning I can miss most of the weekend traffic and get to a site early and have a choice of pitches rather than whats left at 7pm at night.

 

Once again I think it is horses for courses.

 

Never thought of asking the wardens to borrow a phone line, especially as I dail a 0800 number to access work.

 

Regards

 

Trevor

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I connect regularly via my mobile phone to the internet - I used bluetooth to connect to my phone - set up was not easy but if you follow the instructions carefully it works !!!

 

Margaret

Margaret

 

I don't do technical !!!

Just me and my showdogs!!

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I connect regularly via my mobile phone to the internet - I used bluetooth to connect to my phone - set up was not easy but if you follow the instructions carefully it works !!!

 

Margaret

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and if you have a 'smart-phone' you might be able to check your emails from the phone itself WITHOUT a laptop - if you can check work mail from your internet browser then there is a good chance that it can work from the handset too

 

ATB

Moose

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Wow, I never released so many people were also interested in connecting to the Internet whilst on the move. It would be handy for accessing emails and also for just browsing the net for example on your travels around the area local to where you are camping and if you come across something interesting and you want to find out more and the local tourist info shop is shut, you could look it up on the net.

As we are giving up our home to live in a caravan more or less 10 months of a year broadband 2 mb is not an option. I sincerely hope that the price for accessing the net using the mobile as a modem drops in price drastically over the next year.

If you access the net via GPRS is this taken out of your voice minutes or is it another add on?

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It depends on who you are with, most providers add "bundles" of GPRS data sold in mb blocks. Or pay as you go mb but that is expensive. Consider a 3g data card if you are going full time & you want to keep in touch, the figures may stack up.

Mal

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I too use a mobile and PDA to connect, which with bluetooth is a piece of cake to configure, however should you be having problems I can highly recomend a piece of software called connect2internet from 2kdevelopment which has predefined settings for all the uk suppliers. ... Also use my laptop to dial into work. .... through the mobile and again using bluetooth. ...

 

One point with 3G at the moment the coverage is not national, so expect similar issues with reception that you get with say TV reception, where some areas are good and others not to great. ... The other thing with 3G is that the 'cells' breath, that is to say, that the area covered is dependant on the total number of users within the cell at any given time, so for example in Maidenhead where my office is we are covered from near Heathrow and generally get good reception, but if too many users flood the area our reception goes. ...... Good news is that if 3G is not available or shrinks the connections drop to GPRS, which whilst slow still allows you to work !!!

 

Hope this helps someone somewhere. ....

 

Mike

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Hi again ian,

We connect through my bluetooth mobile, laptop, using GPRS and Vodaphone. But it is very slow and ang quite expensive. The other half uses it mainly to connect to her writer friends, editors and boards. I also found it quite difficult to set up, it took me about two and a half days to get it working. We still havn't got Email to function properly yet as I was told it needed to go through a dirrerent address or something like that at least :unsure: . She just gets in to her Emails via the internet server and read them from there.

What really does surpise me is that with all these people now wanting this service why don't sites have an internet room with WLAN. After all technically its a free service and you can now get a wireless router for about £50 - £70. Wouldn't it be a great service to add to your list of facilities on your CC site for such a small set up fee. All the best David.

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Just a point to note guys, anyone considering a 3g solution (phone or data cards) that the 3g service is generally only offered by all the networks in major cities/towns and motorways/main roads at present. Would be worth doing a search on their sites to see what if any coverage they offer where your going to pitch up.

 

I use a 6310i and either a laptop/PDA to connect via GPRS and find the connection speed very similar to dial up via a landline.

 

Some of the networks are starting to install EDGE technology (2. 5G) that upgrades basic GSM network to enable faster data speeds, this will probably be a more long term solution as 3g dont seem to be taking off that great.

 

Can work out to be expensive (although apparently the owner of my SIM only complains when the bill exceeds £3000 a month) so be careful!

 

Steve

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wireless_club. doc

 

Attached my first draft of a letter to one of the clubs regarding offering internet access on site.

 

Feel free to amend as suitable for your circumstances, chose your target and send ! There are plenty of officers in both of the main clubs to contact. And I'm sure you can think of others besides for your favourite destination.

 

Any feedback on the syle/format/content gratefully accepted.

 

I will also work on a draft to a commercial site, and probably amend the above to send to the letters page of caravan magazine.

 

Anyone else any thoughts on how we can raise awareness ?

 

Cheers

Sarah

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What really does surpise me is that with all these people now wanting this service why don't sites have an internet room with WLAN. After all technically its a free service and you can now get a wireless router for about £50 - £70. Wouldn't it be a great service to add to your list of facilities on your CC site for such a small set up fee. All the best David.

 

Be aware that the sites would not be buying the same type of WLAN / Broadband contract that you use at home as the would need a Business version, which it will not surprise you at all the suppliers charge a lot more for. .... For example BT Broadband for home use is circa £20, Business line usage (same bandwidth) circa £135. ..... There are other less obvious issues for the site owner, for example by law they would be responsible for the content on their server, however anyone could download anything, so suitable security products would be required and installed, again as a business user these cost. ......

 

So it isnt as cheap to do as you think, of course a few companies will do it on a domestic contract and never have any issues. .........but. ........

 

Mike

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Just set up a bluetooth connection from my laptop to mobile phone with modem and use a simple dial up connection though Vodaphone at £2. 50 per MB download.

The phone number is *99#, the password 'web' and your in. You could buy their package with a plug in card but this is the same system with no monthly fee.

As it's based on the amount downloaded you pay nothing to stay on line and the phone still works as a phone while on line. Useful though to have the phone on charge because bluetooth is battery hungry

 

Speed is 115 megabits per second at the moment but it could I think go faster, not tried it. Only problem at the moment, the bluetooth messing me about but once they see each other it works lovely however I think that's XP+service packs fault.

 

Just remember for surfing to switch everything but text OFF in 'advanced Internet options' or it's expensive. . but this way a page is only about 35-45K so it's quick as well. If on a page you need a picture you can download it by clicking on the blank space it should occupy.

Run your mouse over the connection symbol on the task bar and it tells you how much you have used as you go so no surprises.

 

P. S. anyone know how to switch off background colours such as on this site??

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