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Just collected our 2005 Carolina from Lee Davey Caravans last Saturday (8th Jan) - very impressed. Cannot fault the caravan nor the service received from Lee Davey.

 

Was pleased to see that the AKS 2004 stabiliser had been superceded with the new 3004 version (not expected) and also discovered a 'surprise and delight' feature on the van itself. Although I had read the brochure (probably a million times since ordering the van in October) I was not aware that the van had an external shower for washing down dirty kids / pets - that will come in very handy no doubt.

 

Spent yesterday fitting Datatags to the van (along with Datadots, ultra destruct parts marking / ID labels and etching the GRP in several inconspicuous places) making it more traceable and hopefully less attractive to those travellers, of no fixed abode who tend to travel in stolen Transit vans (I think that was PC enough!).

 

Am fitting additional window marking tomorrow (Retainagroup property marking and registration system see www. retainagroup. com), more additional parts marking labels, more micro dots and also special laser cut stencil labels the same material as car VIN labels and a paint on acid that then etches a security number into the galvanised chassis of the van in several places.

 

I am also having Mighty Dot (another 10,000 1. 2 mm diameter dots with my CRiS number on) sprayed into the van and on the chassis etc. and at the same time getting the Land Rover done.

 

Nobody is having my van! Or if they do it will be so traceable that de-identifying it would take months. Along with the IDM-3 alarm, my Hitchlock and Bulldog QD wheel clamp mine is probably the most secure on the Cassoa site that I keep it on.

 

Can't wait to take it away now!

 

Si.

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If the police checked every travellers' site, they find most of the caravans have been stolen. The don't bother removing ID markings. The problem is that this investigation "infringes their human rights".

 

I don't want to dampen your obvious enthusiasm but plenty of secure caravans have been stolen from secure storage. Just make sure that it's properly insured.

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Good point Roger

 

Not sure I'd want my van back anyway after some towrag had been in it. Would rather make it more difficult to take in the first place.

 

Regards

 

David, Callum and Connor (NRF)

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If the police checked every travellers' site, they find most of the caravans have been stolen. The don't bother removing ID markings. The problem is that this investigation "infringes their human rights".

 

I don't want to dampen your obvious enthusiasm but plenty of secure caravans have been stolen from secure storage. Just make sure that it's properly insured.

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Roger - got a very good fully comp policy with Bakers of Cheltenham - Norwich Union under written policy and managed to get a further 10% discount for having Datatags and extra window marking / International Security Register membership. Even got European RAC cover thrown in.

 

With security (I am a security consultant by trade) all you can do is keep adding stuff to make your van more difficult to take (or less attractive to take) than the one parked next to it. Caravan theft boils down in the main (so I am told by a colleague who is a police officer) to 2 Irish families believe it or not that are the hub of all organised caravan theft in the UK! Other caravan thefts are opportunistic (from services etc.) and these are usually the small time criminals out to make a few quid, or as you say the travellers in need of a new van.

 

I would hate to think though that all travellers were labelled as thieves (although it is known that most caravan thieves are travellers!) - most that I see on the roads have huge Hobby twin axle vans or similar that they tow with D series lorries - I have even heard of travellers go into one of the local caravan dealers (Cranham Caravans) and produce a wad of £50 notes and buy a £14 grand caravan on the spot without even batting an eyelid.

 

Si.

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Hi Simon & Julia,

Hpoe all goes well with your new 'van. We bought our First ever 'van from Lee Davey Caravans, like you our van was faultless and the customer service we recived over many visits with various frends and family was fantastic,

 

Mike

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I'm hoping it won't fail!

 

I have the latest Thatcham Category 5 approved tracking system by Cobra (Cobra Connex) on my work van - I must say it is a fantastic piece of kit. I'm working on the theory that of the 20 or so twin axle vans at the Cassoa site where I keep mine, mine has far more security than the others so will be less likely to become a target.

 

The Datatag man did a sterling job fitting the van with tags and also put a sticker on the fairing by the hitch head with "Protected by DATATAG" which should put people off. I have a Datatag reader in my work van (same as police have) as I am a security specialist (Ford Motor Co. Senior Vehicle Security Engineer) and just walking round the van with the scanner picks up the tags. I've buried a tag somewhere in the interior of the van too.

 

I etched the fridge and oven today, along with the cassette toilet (they are prone to theft) - even etched the shower door with my van's Retainagroup ID number using similar stencils to those used for the CRiS number and the same blue etching fluid (it is made by Retainagroup you see). Definitely recommend Retainagroup as an additional overt ID system (and covert labels too - I have put about 20 of these in hidden locations around the van) - see www. retainagroup. com or www. theISR. com

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Glad to hear you like your new van. We are collecting our Carolina in 2 weeks time and can't wait. I hope all is well with ours and we can't wait to go away ourselves.

Best of Luck

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A little drastic but it works. Friends of ours had their postcode sprayed onto the top of their horsebox. When it was stoled the police helicopter from the neighbouring county found it within hours of being reported as stoled. Theives dont always look on the roof!

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A little drastic but it works. Friends of ours had their postcode sprayed onto the top of their horsebox. When it was stoled the police helicopter from the neighbouring county found it within hours of being reported as stoled. Theives dont always look on the roof!

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Am way ahead of you there Totty - I have had the maintenance guy at work make me a 5 foot wide sticker (reflective yellow with black lettering) with the CRiS number of the van on it. I'm back in the office Tuesday so will see him for it then. Will be leaning out of the van sunroof and applying it to the roof next time I go to the Cassoa site (after cleaning the roof!).

 

Simon.

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less attractive to those of typically Irish descent,  (I think that was PC enough!).

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No, not PC enough at all. The gypsy accent isn't an Irish accent, although most english think it is, and although a lot of gypsies spend time betwen the UK & Ireland, they also have roots through europe. Describe a gypsy as irish to their face & you will get a very short answer, mistake an irish person for a gypsy and you'll get a two word answer!!

 

Other than that enjoy the van!! :D

 

I'm alos hoping we'll get the 3004 stabiliser instead og the 2004 we ordered, surely the 3004 supercedes the 2004 anyway?

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A little drastic but it works. Friends of ours had their postcode sprayed onto the top of their horsebox. When it was stoled the police helicopter from the neighbouring county found it within hours of being reported as stoled. Theives dont always look on the roof!

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This isn't actually reccomended, as post codes are traceable to addresses, and while your freinds were indeed very fortunate to get it returned, theives can & do track down proerties to either steal the van or wait for the house to become empty if they have the postcode. Within 5 minutes I was able to find 2 websites that could identify my address soley from my postcode via a google search.

 

As Simon says (!!) the CRiS number is a better way of ID'ing the van from the air without giving away home details.

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I'm alos hoping we'll get the 3004 stabiliser instead og the 2004 we ordered, surely the 3004 supercedes the 2004 anyway?

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Jonathan - the 3004 and 2004 look remarkably similar - the 3004 has bigger friction pads and as such has a 3T capacity rather than 2T (helps for when the Mrs decides to take extra shoes LOL)

 

If the dealer (Lee Davey) had not told me mine was a 3004 I would not have known until it came to fitting replacement pads 30,000 miles down the line and realising I had the wrong ones!

 

Si.

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Hi All

This is my first post and my first caravan,as I'm due to pick up a new Senator Carolina from Chipping Sodbury caravans on Feb 4th.

On the subject of insurance I have had a quote from the NFU for £664, I thought this was abit steep but have not found anything really much better . I obviously don't have any no claims discount as I'm a first timer but does anyone know of any other companies where I might get a better quote.

 

Thanks Mark

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Hi All

This is my first post and my first caravan,as I'm due to pick up a new Senator Carolina from Chipping Sodbury caravans on Feb 4th.

On the subject of insurance I have had a quote from the NFU for £664, I thought this was abit steep but have not found anything really much better . I obviously don't have any no claims discount as I'm a first timer but does anyone know of any other companies where I might get a better quote.

 

Thanks Mark

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Mark - try Bakers of Cheltenham - with my NCD (15% as I have towed for many years with no issues) and 10% extra off for the additional security I have fitted it was under £400 (stored at a Cassoa site).

 

If yours is on your driveway and with no extra security then expect the premium to be high. The base premium price is usually calculated at 4. 5% of the retail price of the van + any accessories i. e. awning that you want covered. Discounts are then given (10% for the IDM3 alarm standard on Senators), 25% for storage on a Cassoa site, etc etc.

 

Simon.

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Mark - try Bakers of Cheltenham - with my NCD (15% as I have towed for many years with no issues) and 10% extra off for the additional security I have fitted it was under £400 (stored at a Cassoa site).

 

If yours is on your driveway and with no extra security then expect the premium to be high. The base premium price is usually calculated at 4. 5% of the retail price of the van + any accessories i. e. awning that you want covered. Discounts are then given (10% for the IDM3 alarm standard on Senators), 25% for storage on a Cassoa site, etc etc.

 

Simon.

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Thanks Simon

I don't suppose you have their contact details do you.

 

Mark

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If the police checked every travellers' site, they find most of the caravans have been stolen. The don't bother removing ID markings. The problem is that this investigation "infringes their human rights".

 

Its so maddening, reading on here people scrape by buying newish or very decent

vans and cars with all their hard earned money it makes you think what about our rights if our vans are nicked by such people we wouldn,t want it back if such people had lived in them, but we would have to then argue a toss with insurance companies to part with money for a new one ( my father had a car stolen and the insurance company kept harping on about depreciation of vehicle value so after the pay off he didn't get the car he wanted in the end ) and then what would be our next insurance on a van when we finally purchased another one. If the law knew these vans are id marked and reported stolen and are found on a travelers site would it not be best to impound them it might make such people think they can't get away with it so easily. I'd better stop i'm starting to sound like mr angry off the radio now

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If the police checked every travellers' site, they find most of the caravans have been stolen. The don't bother removing ID markings. The problem is that this investigation "infringes their human rights".

 

Its so maddening, reading on here people scrape by buying newish or very decent

vans and cars with all their hard earned money it makes you think what about our rights if our vans are nicked by such people we wouldn,t want it back if such people had lived in them, but we would have to then argue a toss with insurance companies to part with money for a new one ( my father had a car stolen and the insurance company kept harping on about depreciation of vehicle value so after the pay off he didn't get the car he wanted in the end ) and then what would be our next insurance on a van when we finally purchased another one. If the law knew these vans are id marked and reported stolen and are found on a travelers site would it not be best to impound them it might make such people think they can't get away with it so easily. I'd better stop i'm starting to sound like mr angry off the radio now

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Hehehehehe when I was in the police force (1994 to 1998) we used to 'visit' illegal travellers sites (the Thurrock Yacht Club was one which really upset the members) at about 4am and drive the police car around noisily close to the caravans with the lights and sirens on - just for fun. Those were the days.

 

Si.

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Si,

 

You must feel proud!! Barely out of your probation and you went out of your way to annoy the travellers!! Is it any wonder there is a lack of trust and respect for the Police when you caused problems like this? Did you think what effect this would have for other officers who have cause to deal with these people in the future? i. e me, especially as I still work in Essex?

 

As I am sure most people are aware (with reference to an earlier post), if someone (anyone) is found in possesion of a stolen caravan, it is seized. If it is not seized immediately or in some cases where it is genuinely in the hands of an innocent purchaser a notice can be given informing them that they cannot sell or dispose of it whilst enquiries are in hand. If there is a likelyhood that the item will dissappear, it will be seized there and then. The property will always remain the property of the last owner that paid out for it legitamately. If it is recovered the day after it was stolen, it is likely to go back to the owner, if the insurance company have paid the owner, it is the insurance companies. If it is sometime down the line, perhaps a year later in the hands of an innocent purchaser, the insurance company may come to an arrangment with the new owner rather than try to auction it off to recover some of their money.

 

If a caravan is seen with markings removed etc in the hands of a dubious character, it is down to the Police to prove it is stolen. There are methods of trying to recover ground out numbers etc but there are also methods they can use to avoid this being possible. It may be obvious that the 'van is stolen but that alone is not enough to bring a succesfull prosecution. If it cannot be proven stolen, it is given back! Can you imagine how annoying that is? There will obviously be exceptions to this as the law is certainly not straightforward and different companies and forces deal with things differently.

 

The long and the short of all this is I whole heartedly agree with what has already been said in relation to security, mark up as much as you can, mark up the roof with whatever you like although I agree that your postcode isn't the best to use. If it is something bizarre or witty you can guarantee the Air Support Unit will spot it, even when it is safe on your drive!

 

If you are unfortunate enough to have your caravan stolen, try to remember as much as you can to readily identify it. There will be certain things unique to your van that will stand out if some id has been removed, like a beetroot stain where you opened a cupboard and dropped the jar and so on. Remember, it will probably be an officer who has no knowledge of caravans trying to identify it.

 

On a lighter note, I am new to this, I have a wife and 2 year old little girl, a 2004 Bailey Discovery 200 and tow with a very thirsty V6 Galaxy. We are chuffed to bits with the 'van and went all over the country last year and had a great time. We are now looking forward to starting up this year!

 

Si. ............you don't still have the urge to drive round sites at 4 in the morning do you. .. :-)

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Si,

 

You must feel proud!! Barely out of your probation and you went out of your way to annoy the travellers!! Is it any wonder there is a lack of trust and respect for the Police when you caused problems like this? Did you think what effect this would have for other officers who have cause to deal with these people in the future? i. e me, especially as I still work in Essex?

 

 

Si. ............you don't still have the urge to drive round sites at 4 in the morning do you. ..  :-)

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Newt,

 

In my defence. .. I was a passenger in the car with a PC of 20 odd years service driving! But it was blinking good fun!

 

Where are you stationed? I work very closely with the police in my job (senior vehicle security engineer for Ford of Europe) - even my work van is adorned with Essex crests and stripes as it is so often in use with the local police.

 

Si.

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Si,

 

Worked in Southend division all my service apart from a spell with the stolen vehicle squad (as it was) at HQ. ....hopefully FSU beckons. ......

 

You probably will know a few "colleagues" from up that way that I have worked with over the years!....uncle Buck etc. ......

 

Jim

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Si,

 

Worked in Southend division all my service apart from a spell with the stolen vehicle squad (as it was) at HQ. ....hopefully FSU beckons. ......

 

You probably will know a few "colleagues" from up that way that I have worked with over the years!....uncle Buck etc. ......

 

Jim

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Jim,

 

Am good friends with Andy Bird (now retired ex SVS) and I also know Graham Banks and Dave Godard from HQ. Have a look at www. iaati. org. uk and find the 'executive board' page and look at who is 2nd VP. Birdy was 1st VP until he stepped down last year.

 

Si.

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Anyway after all this reminising, I would just like to say that we picked up our new Bailey Carolina yesterday and she is the Dogs !!!!!!! . We can't wait to get away in her and although it wil be used mostly for weekends away working we hope to have a few breaks as well so if you see a blue Mercedes sprinter pulling a Carolina give us a toot.

 

Mark

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