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Following on from one off my topics I decided to look up some info on caravan tyres.

Thanks to national tyres for the info.

 

Caravan tyres are not made specifically for caravan use; in fact, they are no different from car or light van tyres. However, caravan tyres perform a slightly different role. While they don’t have to cope with high speed braking and cornering as most cars do, they must accommodate a greater load capacity than other vehicles with a great deal of pressure being placed on the tyres.

The legal minimum requirement is 1. 6mm tread depth across the central three- quarters of the tread, around the entire circumference of the tyre. Failure to meet these conditions could result in a £2,500 fine and 3 penalty points per tyre.

It is the driver’s responsibility to ensure that tyres of the correct specification are fitted to caravans as specified by the manufacturer. Across an axle (e. g. front and rear wheels), tyres must be of the same size, load index and speed rating, and this also includes the spare.

In the same way you would with a car tyre, caravan owners should visually check tyres for sidewall cracks, bulges or signs of wear on a regular basis.

Most caravans have a fairly low mileage, being used mostly during holiday periods, so it takes a great deal of time for the tread to reach the minimum legal requirement. However, all tyres deteriorate with age and exposure to the elements which is a risk for caravan tyres.

The BTMA (British Tyre Manufacturers’ Association) recommend that caravan tyres be replaced every 5 years and should never be used if they are over 7 years old. It’s also recommended that caravan tyres with a high inflation pressure (above 50psi) should be replaced at 3 years and never used beyond 5 years, according to The Caravan Club.

Since caravans are often left standing for long periods of time, the tyres become more susceptible to flat spots which can lead to punctures. UV damage can also adversely affect tyre tread, so it is advisable that if leaving your caravan for more than a few weeks, it should be stored in a cool, dry place and away from direct sunlight. It is also recommended that the wheels be rotated each month to avoid flat spots from developing.

For a tyre to function properly it must be correctly inflated. Under-inflation and over-inflation can both lead to premature tyre failure, not to mention uneven tyre wear and diminished performance.

Motorists should check pressure regularly and always when the tyres are cold or have been driven 1-2 miles at most for absolute accuracy. After checking pressure, always ensure the valve is not leaking and the valve cap is securely fitted.

It is illegal to use replacement tyres which differ in size, load or speed rating from the original tyre recommended by the manufacturer in some European countries. Any caravan owners planning on driving abroad should check tyre requirements before travelling.

 

Thanks to national tyres for the above information

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When I changed all our van's tyres earlier this year, I spoke to someone in technical at Michelin, he asked for details on the van, together with MTPLN, annual mileage, the longest distance we expected to run without a stop and the countries we would be doing it in, for temperature. I had already told him that we wanted premium quality tyres had he suggested Michelin Agilis 41 R14 86T. They certainly were not the cheapest but we do get piece of mine when on the move!

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Caravan tyres are not made specifically for caravan use; in fact, they are no different from car or light van tyres.

 

 

 

WRONG .

 

 

Tyre for cars are usually 4 ply and Caravan tyres should be 6ply or 8 ply . You can not fit car tyres to a caravan as they are not made to take the axle weight . Cars are designed to take the weight on 4 wheels and a caravan only has one axle 2 wheels.

 

 

Anyone fitting new tyres always check the load index of new tyres marked on the side wall .

 

 

 

Dave

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I really do not think I would take the advice of tyre salesman and fit what he recommends (if this is different to the manufactureres size and spec) simply as I would suspect he is just flogging you what he has in stock.

 

The tyre as on the original van has gone through tests and the performance has been checked. If you just pop on some tyres that Barry from QuickFit recommeds how do you know how they will perform on your van? Or even if your insurance is void for having them on your van?

 

Michelin Agilis tyres are typically put on a transit van and in common with caravan tyres are commercial vehichle tyres (not car). I would not personally choose them as they are made to last for high milages unless you are expecting to do more than say 10k in the van each year. generally you do nothing like this in a caravan. To get high miles you need either a deeper tread (so less stability) or harder rubber (less grip).

 

Personally I would got exacty the same spec as originally set for the van. Tried and tested.

 

 

On the flat spot issue. I keep my car on my drive (tucked around a corner) and being a small van i can pull it around quite easily and I was thinking about the easiest way of rotating the wheels in winter. I dont have room to just push it back six inches.

If I pull the van forward in a streight line but then push it back in an S shape it must travel further to get back to the same spot so be turned round a bit more.

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Please look at the following link :http://caravanningamigos. co. uk/forum/index. php?topic=1349. 0

They were the tyres fitted by the caravan manufacturer, now you will realise why I did not buy what caravan manufacturer suggested, and sought advice from someone who knows what they are talking about.

 

Regarding mileage we normally cover in excess of 5,000 miles on our summer holidays whilst touring France & Spain and around 4,000 miles on our Easter holiday again in France, our normal annual mileage is around 12,000 as we use our van all the year round.

As for taking advice on tyre recommendation I myself much prefer to seek it from Michelin UK, technical department.

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. Cars are designed to take the weight on 4 wheels and a caravan only has one axle 2 wheels.

 

 

 

Sorry to see your having problems with you keyboard.

Twin wheel caravans have 4 wheels!

 

I did quote the source off the info for reference, if you wish to check it, here is the link to the original information.

http://www. national. co. uk/information/caravan-tyres. aspx

 

and here is the link to there customer services if you wish to tell them their wrong.

http://www. national. co. uk/contact-us. aspx

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Since caravans are often left standing for long periods of time, the tyres become more susceptible to flat spots which can lead to punctures. UV damage can also adversely affect tyre tread, so it is advisable that if leaving your caravan for more than a few weeks, it should be stored in a cool, dry place and away from direct sunlight. It is also recommended that the wheels be rotated each month to avoid flat spots from developing.

For a tyre to function properly it must be correctly inflated. Under-inflation and over-inflation can both lead to premature tyre failure, not to mention uneven tyre wear and diminished performance.

Motorists should check pressure regularly and always when the tyres are cold or have been driven 1-2 miles at most for absolute accuracy. After checking pressure, always ensure the valve is not leaking and the valve cap is securely fitted.

 

We tend to do a couple of trips a year between a month and two month duration plus a few mid-week breaks at the start, middle and end of season. We tend to use the van less over the winter now and I have a spare set of wheels which are used just for the caravan to stand on for 3 months or so over winter so that is how I get round that problem.

 

I do check tyre inflation pressures before starting each trip from home but only now and then whilst on a longer trip. I replaced 18 month old tyres on my van because on of them had a split in the tread due to going over a high kerb at a service station. I now have Bridgestones R630's. Caravan manufacturers seem always to recommend using maximum pressures. However when I contacted Bridgestone they said for a van with a weight of 1500kgs the pressures should be 57PSI rather than 65PSI. I therefore select a half way house solution of around 61PSI.

 

David

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WRONG .

 

 

Tyre for cars are usually 4 ply and Caravan tyres should be 6ply or 8 ply . You can not fit car tyres to a caravan as they are no

 

Caravan tyres are not made specifically for caravan use; in fact, they are no different from car or light van tyres.

 

 

You can not fit car tyres to a caravan as they are not made to take the axle weight . Cars are designed to take the weight on 4 wheels

 

 

 

Dave

 

Oh Dave, Dave, Dave. When bolding and underlining to emphasise a point at least get the facts correct!

 

The original quote

 

"Caravan tyres are not made specifically for caravan use; in fact, they are no different from car or light van tyres".

 

is factually correct. Many caravans are on what are considered to be a "car" tyres and others are on what are called "van" or "light commercial" tyres.

 

What is WRONG is your claim!

 

"Tyre for cars are usually 4 ply and Caravan tyres should be 6ply or 8 ply "

 

Firstly, the correct description is 6 PR or 8 PR in which PR refers to Ply Rating and not the actual number of plies in the construction which is often 2 or 3 in number. Many "car" tyres are also made of 2 or 3 plies and 4 PR is not used as a description.

 

There are many twin axle caravans running on tyres which are not 6 ply or 8 ply and some use tyres as small as 145 x 13.

 

I will ignore " and a caravan only has one axle 2 wheels.

 

The only thing that matters is the load index which should match - at a minimum - the O. E. tyre fitted by the manufacturer.

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Sorry to see your having problems with you keyboard. Twin wheel caravans have 4 wheels! I did quote the source off the info for reference, if you wish to check it, here is the link to the original information. http://www. national. co. uk/information/caravan-tyres. aspx and here is the link to there customer services if you wish to tell them their wrong. http://www. national. co. uk/contact-us. aspx

 

Sorry did nt realise everybody had Twin axle caravans .

 

If you make statments like caravans can be fitted with normal car tyres caravan owners will be rushing to their local breakers yard or buying car tyres without any reference to load index unaware of the dangers . Caravan tyres have a different profile to a vehicle tyres in a lot cases.

 

Dave

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I seem to remember a case a few years ago when someone was 'done' because the spare wasn't legal. The verdict was, as I remember, overturned on appeal. There is no requirement for a tyre not being used on a car to conform to any legal requirements. If that were the case then you would be breaking the law if you had a puncture, changed the wheel and then drove to a garage to have the dud tyre mended or replaced. Sanity prevailed. Or the Court of Appeal did!

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I thought there is no law saying you had to have a spare on a car but if one is fitted it had to be road legal and is checked for MOT .

 

 

 

 

Dave

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I thought there is no law saying you had to have a spare on a car but if one is fitted it had to be road legal and is checked for MOT .

 

 

 

 

Dave

 

There is no requirement for the spare to be checked on the MOT. This was, however, the (incorrectly applied!) case many years ago when MOT's first started.

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I thought there is no law saying you had to have a spare on a car but if one is fitted it had to be road legal and is checked for MOT .

Dave

The first part is correct, in that you do not have to carry a spare. If you do have a tyre in the boot, it does not have to be legal otherwise as soon as you used the spare and put a punctured tyre in the boot, you would be breaking the law. I believe they're also not part of the MOT test.

Common sense dictates though that the spare should be identical to those in use, the pressure checked at the same time as the others, and if damaged, replaced at the earliest opportunity.

Gordon.

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Interesting replies regards tyres and MOT's, in the old days I was advised to remove the spare if it it would not pass the MOT, reasoning is it cannot fail if not present and no requirement to be present!

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Generally the advice given the OP is prefectly reasonable, however I'd take issue with the nonsense about tyres inflated above 50psi needing sooner replacement.

Simply a lesser pressure tyre designed for lighter loads is physically weaker and is therefore no more or less likely to last longer than a physically stronger tyre, designed for greater loads and greater pressures, a silly conclusion IMO from the Clubs!

 

As for caravan manufacturers 'testing tyres' where on earth did you hear that LOL,

Always then buy replacement tyres that can carry !0% or a little more, in excess of the caravans gross weight, and get them balanced, something else the manufacturer does not bother doing!

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Sorry did nt realise everybody had Twin axle caravans .

 

If you make statments like caravans can be fitted with normal car tyres caravan owners will be rushing to their local breakers yard or buying car tyres without any reference to load index unaware of the dangers . Caravan tyres have a different profile to a vehicle tyres in a lot cases.

 

Dave

 

I'm with the others. There is no such thing as "caravan Tyres" . The nearest is the Trailermaxx which is deigned for trailers.

 

I don't think anyone has suggested that caravans can be fitted with normal car tyres. What is vital is not whether they are car or van tyres but as you rightly say, the tyre has to have the appropriate load index

 

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Tyres: Caravan Club advice

"As a general rule (and following guidance issued by the tyre makers trade body, the British Tyre Manufacturers Association, it is advised that caravan tyres should ideally be replaced when 5 years old, and should never be used when more than 7 years old. This advice is borne out by the Club's own research into caravan tyre failures, which confirms that the likelihood of a tyre problem increases after such age. Our research further suggests that tyres which need a high inflation pressure (say 50psi or more) require greater care still. Such tyres should be closely examined for signs of deterioration from 3 years old, and it would be strongly advised not to use them beyond 5 years old."

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There is no requirement for the spare to be checked on the MOT. This was, however, the (incorrectly applied!) case many years ago when MOT's first started.

 

This what i was always told that if you had a faulty spare to remove it till after the MOT . On checking the MOT they only have to point out any defects in the spare . But from 2012 the TPMS (if fitted originally) ,Run flats and space savers come under MOT checks .

 

Dave

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Caravan tyres have a different profile to a vehicle tyres in a lot cases.

 

Dave

 

There is no such thing as a CARAVAN tyre but there are tyres suitable for fitting to caravans.

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Commercial vans tyres like Transits etc have a profile of 60 -65 mm were a caravan tyre has a larger profile of 75 - 80 mm .

 

Tyre companies refer to Caravan tyres as 8 ply . http://www. etyres. co. uk/caravan-tyres

 

 

Dave

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It's been stated that there's no such thing as caravan tyres. According to Bailey my Orion has ' 14" Alloy wheels with bespoke caravan tyres'. Are these not tyres made specifically for caravans?

 

 

 

As for the MOT test, if it is in the car it must be fit for purpose (spare etc) if it isn't present that's no problem. Have many years experience running road legal track cars and never carried a spare. You can even get an MOT with no headlights provided the car is only used during daylight hours. Had a debate about this with my local garage, he checked his manual and confirmed I was correct.

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If you do have a tyre in the boot, it does not have to be legal otherwise as soon as you used the spare and put a punctured tyre in the boot, you would be breaking the law.
As for the MOT test, if it is in the car it must be fit for purpose (spare etc) if it isn't present that's no problem.
So by definition, if you are unfortunate to get a puncture on the way to an MOT and change the flat tyre for the spare, you must then remove the flat tyre from the vehicle for the actual MOT test. Surely it would be simpler just to tell the tester what had happened. Sometimes I wonder about who dreams up these rules.
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So by definition, if you are unfortunate to get a puncture on the way to an MOT and change the flat tyre for the spare, you must then remove the flat tyre from the vehicle for the actual MOT test. Surely it would be simpler just to tell the tester what had happened. Sometimes I wonder about who dreams up these rules.

 

Or ask the garage to repair the puncture before testing the car.

 

Can't really ask the tester to turn a blind eye, he could lose his licence to test (and perhaps his job) if he was caught breaking the rules.

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It's been stated that there's no such thing as caravan tyres. According to Bailey my Orion has ' 14" Alloy wheels with bespoke caravan tyres'. Are these not tyres made specifically for caravans?

 

 

 

As for the MOT test, if it is in the car it must be fit for purpose (spare etc) if it isn't present that's no problem. Have many years experience running road legal track cars and never carried a spare. You can even get an MOT with no headlights provided the car is only used during daylight hours. Had a debate about this with my local garage, he checked his manual and confirmed I was correct.

 

 

The M. O. T. Inspection Manual Issue Date 01 January 2012

 

TYRES

This inspection applies to tyres fitted to the road wheels only. The vehicle presenter should be informed when it is noticed that there is a defective tyre on a spare wheel.

 

LIGHTING

1. 1a Front and Rear Position lamps and Registration Plate Lamps

This inspection applies to all vehicles, except those which either have no front or rear position lamps or have such lamps permanently disconnected, painted over or masked that are:

only used during daylight hours, and

not used at times of seriously reduced visibility.

If this situation occurs, the vehicle presenter should be issued with a VT32 (advisory notice) recording the above.

HEADLAMPS

This inspection applies to all obligatory headlamps fitted.

Headlamps are not required to be fitted to vehicles used only during the hours of daylight, which are fitted with neither front nor rear position lamps, etc. (See 1. 1. A).

 

 

A car with no front and rear position lights does not need headlamps either but. .....how many cars fall into that category?

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when one of my caravan tyres blew out last year i decided to change the tyres on both wheels, so i went to my local tyre dealer to order some caravan tyres, the tyre dealer showed me one listed caravan tyre and it was listed as caravan only as it has a low speed rating but a high load rating and the tyre was listed as 8 ply and manufactured by federal. because of the high speeds of commercial vans such as sprinters which top over 100 mph these tyres are totally unsuitable for anything but a caravan. i do not know the maths behind the ply rating but they are being sold as 8 ply by tyre dealers.

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when one of my caravan tyres blew out last year i decided to change the tyres on both wheels, so i went to my local tyre dealer to order some caravan tyres, the tyre dealer showed me one listed caravan tyre and it was listed as caravan only as it has a low speed rating but a high load rating and the tyre was listed as 8 ply and manufactured by federal. because of the high speeds of commercial vans such as sprinters which top over 100 mph these tyres are totally unsuitable for anything but a caravan. i do not know the maths behind the ply rating but they are being sold as 8 ply by tyre dealers.

 

A company in Portugal, I think called Camac, used to make tyres specifically for trailers but they are no longer in business.

 

What was the speed and load index of these Federal tyres?

 

AKAIK there are no tyres in car/trailer sizes with a speed index less than N - 81mph - which is the maximum legal towing limit in any E. U. country and the legal solo limit in most.

 

The PR is ply rating but has no longer relates to the actual number of plies that are in the tyre . My caravan tyres, 185 x 14 8PR 100/102P (104N) , have only 3 plies in the construction. Note that the load index changes upwards with a lower speed index. All tyres will be marked on the sidewall with the number of plies in the casing. .

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