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At what point in the life of a caravan does it become acceptable to modify it from the original factory specification.

 

One of the benefits of the caravan is that it is relatively simple to incorporate changes to suit the way you use it but having done so it is no longer "factory spec" if you then want to sell it on.

 

As a buyer would you for example expect a 2-3 year old van to be unmodified but accept that along with repairs a van of 5 or more years may have alterations sometimes because that was the only way to complete a repair, something new has come along or the owner had a specific need incorporated such as second batteries, inboard water tanks etc.

 

As an owner do you have to put up with a minor inconvenience in order to keep the van pristine as changes might make it more of a problem to sell.

 

Mine being 8 years old I have no real problems adding a socket or making some other modification provided it is safe and legal but I am certain I would not consider it with a much newer van.

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I think if you're doing something basic, like adding an extra socket, it won't affect the resale value at all.

 

Something more major like adding a water tank may actually improve the resale value.

 

I think "Once the warranty is gone" may be a good starting point to make modifications.

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From new it is YOUR van. You are not holding it in trust for a future owner, so make it suit YOU whenever you feel inclined. The benefits you get from that will outweigh a small perceived resale loss from any potentially blinkered and stupid second owner.

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Mines had:

 

2x awning warmers

1x 80W solar panel on roof

1x Whale inline filter

1x Fridge thermostatically controlled twin fan kit

1x UHF booster

1x external aerial input socket

2x additional reading lamps

Removed all decals and replaced with more 'modern' ones of my own design

Replaced awning lamp with wide-angle version

Wider tyres

Changed all halogen bulbs to LED

 

and my vans only just 3 years old!

 

My last van I kept original, so like other people have said it would be easier to sell. But when it was only 5 years old, someone ran into the back of it and wrote it off!

So my thoughts are - 'Why bother?' - I might as well make my van exactly how I want it, as you never know how long you are going to have it - so enjoy it while you can and make it your ideal home-from-home!

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Having just bought a second hand caravan, the ones which caught my eye first were always the ones which were 'factory spec plus xx added/modification'. The price difference between ones with extra stuff and factory spec (or phrased differently 'basic') ones was tiny or non-existant meaning the ones with extra toys were our preferred ones.

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I think it is more down to the quality of the job. If you do something of a good professional quality that improves the van in a way future owners would want then it cannot be bad.

 

There is perhaps a big difference to an add on feature and a change. Add on can just be ignored but change may take away something someone wants.

 

I would only be put off with a bodge job or something silly.

 

If you got the correct parts to match then it would be hard to tell if you added a socket if it was you or the maker who put it in.

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I totally agree with ajlelectronics, Its YOUR van, you don't rent it do you? do what you want with it

 

Tell your caravan insurance company you want to put an extra socket in yourself and they will tell you it has to done by a qualifide elecrician and certificated for insurance .

 

I have made enquiries with my caravan insurance company to check . Tourer Caravans/Motorhomes also from 2008 come under the 17th Edition wiring Regulations section 721.

 

http://www. abbsip. co. uk/downloads/17th_edition_wiring. pdf

 

Dave

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Tell your caravan insurance company you want to put an extra socket in yourself and they will tell you it has to done by a qualifide elecrician and certificated for insurance .

 

I have made enquiries with my caravan insurance company to check . Tourer Caravans/Motorhomes also from 2008 come under the 17th Edition wiring Regulations section 721.

 

http://www. abbsip. co. ..tion_wiring. pdf

 

Dave

 

If they do then it should be OK to add a socket. From a dusty memory, a householder can add a fused spur off a circuit as long as it's not in a bathroom or kitchen without getting a NICEIEIEIO or whatever sparky in.

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More of the "too scared of your own shadow to breathe" then? Stick two fingers up to these beaurocrats who have nothing better to do than dream up new and exciting ways to inconvenience and penalise the population.

 

If a socket has been fitted properly, who is to know or care?

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More of the "too scared of your own shadow to breathe" then? Stick two fingers up to these beaurocrats who have nothing better to do than dream up new and exciting ways to inconvenience and penalise the population.

 

If a socket has been fitted properly, who is to know or care?

 

Couldn't agree more. I used an electrician in one house many years ago to do some work and it turned out to be a terrible job come survey time for sale. At this house I re-wired the entire thing myself and I would put the quality of the work up against any electrician. As it's my house I have a bit more of a built-in interest in not burning it down with me in it.

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Mines had:

 

2x awning warmers

1x 80W solar panel on roof

1x Whale inline filter

1x Fridge thermostatically controlled twin fan kit

1x UHF booster

1x external aerial input socket

2x additional reading lamps

Removed all decals and replaced with more 'modern' ones of my own design

Replaced awning lamp with wide-angle version

Wider tyres

Changed all halogen bulbs to LED

 

and my vans only just 3 years old!

 

My last van I kept original, so like other people have said it would be easier to sell. But when it was only 5 years old, someone ran into the back of it and wrote it off!

So my thoughts are - 'Why bother?' - I might as well make my van exactly how I want it, as you never know how long you are going to have it - so enjoy it while you can and make it your ideal home-from-home!

 

Hi, do you find the awning warmers any use, asked some years ago about these and was generally told not worth the bother. However, with the advent of a refillable gas bottle it wouldnt be as expensive to in the gas fire (on fan) to heat the awning.

thanks

nigel

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If they do then it should be OK to add a socket. From a dusty memory, a householder can add a fused spur off a circuit as long as it's not in a bathroom or kitchen without getting a NICEIEIEIO or whatever sparky in.

 

You are correct for Building regulations Part P in a house but work carried out by DIY can invalidate your insurance on a caravan if found to be the cause of damage the same for a household without a installation certificate .

 

As said I asked my insurance company and was told it has to be done by a qualifide person and certificated to be covered under insurance.

 

Dave

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Mines had:

 

2x awning warmers

1x 80W solar panel on roof

1x Whale inline filter

1x Fridge thermostatically controlled twin fan kit

1x UHF booster

1x external aerial input socket

2x additional reading lamps

Removed all decals and replaced with more 'modern' ones of my own design

Replaced awning lamp with wide-angle version

Wider tyres

Changed all halogen bulbs to LED

 

and my vans only just 3 years old!

 

My last van I kept original, so like other people have said it would be easier to sell. But when it was only 5 years old, someone ran into the back of it and wrote it off!

So my thoughts are - 'Why bother?' - I might as well make my van exactly how I want it, as you never know how long you are going to have it - so enjoy it while you can and make it your ideal home-from-home!

 

 

Hi LodgeFarmLeisure. Why did you fit wider tyres?. Did you fit a wider fitments option from the manufacturer?.

Did you just fit a wider footprint tyre or was it a lower profile as well as the wider footprint?.

Was it to reduce side to side wallowing that you altered the tyre width?.

Also did you inform you caravan insurers of the modifications (all of them) that have been made to the original specification?,and especially those that involved 'interfering' with the electrics.

By removing all of the original decals on such a newish van it is now 'de-identified' and as such could cause a 'kick-back at a later date if sold.

All changes from an original specification are very subjective & personal,one man's meat is another Man's poison.

To upgrade an Entry Level caravan to a specification that would/could include manufacturers original fitments is indeed a laudable offering to a potential individual,but adding non original fitments could be seen as imposing your ideas/notions/tastes into another's domain;the potential follow-on sale.

Life in general can be a journey of chance with some winners and sadly some losers. Your outfit can never be left to chance. A short-while carrying out essential checks can ensure a long-time of happy & safe caravanning for all concerned.
Ignorance can often be bliss but is certainly not an excuse and when continually disregarded they can be totally disastrous for oneself and the innocent parties.

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I would agree with ajl if you can carry out work to reasonable standard and produce a safe result why does the government/EU insist they get involved. Too much obsequiosness to rules and regulations tends to stifle learning and trying for yourself. It is the nature of the caravan that lends it to improvements that are within the capabilities of most people if they would try.

 

Certtificates don't always produce competance, my father always used to get gas engineers to service his boiler and fire but asked me to do it one time. While cleaning it I found the main burner was eroding quite badly but when I pointed it out he was certain that in all the years previous the burner had never been taken out.

 

Locally the bikers have been protesting because the EU want to ban any forms of engine mods other than by the manufacturer, the same could happen to caravans and anything else.

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Locally the bikers have been protesting because the EU want to ban any forms of engine mods other than by the manufacturer, the same could happen to caravans and anything else.

 

 

This has been hanging over bikers heads for years. ... Anti tamper bolts on engines and all sorts of things. .. But to be honest most bikers change the exhaust can or full system and add a power commander which they will struggle to stop people doing. The GSXR600 I built was a road bike but was built and tuned like a full race bike. . People race these things too and manufacturers spend millions building sports bikes that can win races but all need to have race kits fitted. .. I cannot see these regs happening. I have a collection of special spanners and sockets for specific bolts and nuts on bikes already. . ANY tuner will get round these anti tamper fittings. Now OK talk about insurance. .. Now IF the parts fitted caus the problem then they can refuse cover. .. But a car pulling out on a bike has nothing to do with the modifications same if the bike is stolen. .. It is just accepting the loss of money if they do not want to pay the extra costs you have put into the bike. .... No on one has been refused cover using a modified bike in an accident unless the parts fitted were at fault and most after market parts are much better than OEM. ..

 

Now the caravan. .. OK electrics that can carry 240V should be checked to be safe one way or another. .. But again the insurance say IF the parts you have fitted are at fault they will not pay. .. You are insured just make sure what you have done cannot be a cause of any possible problem that would need the insurance to be involved! if in doubt get a sparky do it or check it. .. Other stuff that is personal or to make it more suited to you. .. fine. .. just accept others may not like it. ... Some will some won't. . Just do not do it expecting to increase the value of the van. .. If you do it accepting that it could reduce the value by the value of the part you have fitted then great do it. .... just dont do it to make it more attractive to possible buyers in the future. ... If your mods increase the value of the van then bonus. ......

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Hi, do you find the awning warmers any use, asked some years ago about these and was generally told not worth the bother. However, with the advent of a refillable gas bottle it wouldnt be as expensive to in the gas fire (on fan) to heat the awning.

thanks

nigel

Hey Nigel - used them last Christmas. -4C outside 12C in full awning, 22C in caravan and that was on 240V 2kW!

I thought they worked OK and were worth the effort.

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Nigel

 

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Probably not entirely appropriate but hopefully you get my meaning.

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obsequiosness ??? wow new forum new words . ............ no disrespect. obsequiousness please what is it, and how much .

 

nigel

 

Hi Nigel. The next thing we will see is a post incorporating the word erudite. Perhaps this is what HairyFool was attempting to covey.

He might just as well have used the more easily digestible word,'compliance',or for that matter :-obedient,attentive.

Life in general can be a journey of chance with some winners and sadly some losers. Your outfit can never be left to chance. A short-while carrying out essential checks can ensure a long-time of happy & safe caravanning for all concerned.
Ignorance can often be bliss but is certainly not an excuse and when continually disregarded they can be totally disastrous for oneself and the innocent parties.

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I think some things should certainly be checked by 'a bloke with a certificate' :ph34r: However 16 months ago we had a new boiler at home. ..The dogs danglies bosch worcester, and already on its anual inspection we find that it now is no longer fitted within the latest guidlines / rules, and then, the 'on' LED has failed, but still it passed its inspection. :rolleyes:

 

I have in our kitchen a 4 gang extension socket 'permanently' wired in and screwed inside a cupboard for plugging the dishwasher & washing machine into. ...a quality DIY 'bodge' :lol: . Anyway, 3 years ago we had a conservatory put up for a not insignificant £12'000 (ahh. ...those pre child & pre recession days. ...) and it was only a year ago that I find the sparkys have put a junction box into my glorified extension lead to power the 6 sockets, light and ceiling fan :o !! Still, I suppose they have fitted a trip switch / RCD and had no bother with it yet! lol.

 

I admire anyone who betters themselves with qualifications, and dont begrudge anyone earning a living, but you dont always get a better job than you could have done yourself.

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Hi Nigel. The next thing we will see is a post incorporating the word erudite. Perhaps this is what HairyFool was attempting to covey.

He might just as well have used the more easily digestible word,'compliance',or for that matter :-obedient,attentive.

Wot, can't even be sarky in my own posts. :wacko:

 

I saw last night that the EU are even claiming that the fact that the UK does not pay euro-immigrants the same benefits as a UK national is illegal. Of course the LDs are not going to protest but at least as long as it is a vote winner hopefully the Tories will.

 

It is the slavish acceptance of everything the EU puts out in regulations which I object to. I have rebuilt bikes from the ground up, built my own Escort rally car into a Mexico shell, if the rule makers getr there way that will all stop.

 

Even I am taking it off topic now. :(

 

My thought came up from the differences I see around the site, from the pristine gleaming factory finish models to the ones with a slightly "matt" sheen to the paintwork. Mine tends to the latter but not all of the former are actually brand new. There is a Dethleffs Motorhome across from me that looks absolutely immaculate yet is an 02 plate.

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At what point in the life of a caravan does it become acceptable to modify it from the original factory specification.

 

One of the benefits of the caravan is that it is relatively simple to incorporate changes to suit the way you use it but having done so it is no longer "factory spec" if you then want to sell it on.

 

As a buyer would you for example expect a 2-3 year old van to be unmodified but accept that along with repairs a van of 5 or more years may have alterations sometimes because that was the only way to complete a repair, something new has come along or the owner had a specific need incorporated such as second batteries, inboard water tanks etc.

 

As an owner do you have to put up with a minor inconvenience in order to keep the van pristine as changes might make it more of a problem to sell.

 

Mine being 8 years old I have no real problems adding a socket or making some other modification provided it is safe and legal but I am certain I would not consider it with a much newer van.

 

i know what you mean, when we were looking for our 1st 'van, last year we were put off a lot of 'vans that had the toilet / shower room removed to make extra space for storage etc

the greatest benefit for the greatest number

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Hi,

Just exchanged our 9 month old lunar clubman for another make, thing is the clubman had been fitted with two solar panels 9FT x15" wide -- it would have been murder removing them ( instant bonding glue ) dealer gave us £270 for them ---- they cost £ 500 !!!

david 1220

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