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It has been posted, elsewhere, that all caravan chassis have a design speed of 100 kph. Checking my caravan handbook it states this quite clearly. What does yours say?

 

As most caravans are on Alko, BPW or Knott chassis it seems safe to assume that most caravans are affected.

The Lunar handbook says that the tyres are rated to 130 kph.

 

I think the 100 kph/60 mph reference relates to the UK speed limit and is a recommendation rather than being mandatory?

 

I would nt want to tow that fast though, would nt feel too comfortable that quick and the fuel use would be horrendous.

 

I found in France even with peviously higher speed limits, that to stay in top gear (auto box) 100-110kph is about right else the box is wanting to change down all the time.

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It has been posted, elsewhere, that all caravan chassis have a design speed of 100 kph. Checking my caravan handbook it states this quite clearly. What does yours say?

 

Our Hymer handbook states: -

 

"The caravan constructions were designed for a maximum permissible speed of 100km/h (60mph). Therefore never drive faster than 100km/h (60mph)."

 

It also states the tyres must have a "Q" speed index where "Q=160km/h".

 

So I don't think its safe to assume what the maker specifies for the tyre speed rating has any relevance to the maximum permissible designed speed of the van.

 

From memory I think you will find in France its illegal to take a caravan on the motorway that does not have tyres rated to at least 130km/h. So presumably no manufacturer will fit lower ratings than this.

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Blimey! I just checked my A4 Cabriolet and the GTW is plated as 3800kg!!! ohmy.gif

 

I'd best get some sticker before land in France on May 9th! sad.gif

 

But it still looks like a nippy sport car with the roof off!!!! laugh.gif

 

Turned many a head in France when they see it pulling the 7. 18 metre Bailey (especially on the odd occasion we tow with the roof off!!!!). biggrin.gif

 

P. S. Best revise my journey times as well if I can't do over 56mph (90kph)!!

 

P. P. S. Oh! What a dreadful thought having to sit behind all those lorries that I can normally cruise past at 60mph!! sad.gif

 

 

Drove at 90kph on the Autoroutes last year.

 

Still plenty of significant hills to slow lorries down and give me chance to overtake. Mind you it only changed the scenery from the rear of one HGV to that of another.

 

John

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From memory I think you will find in France its illegal to take a caravan on the motorway that does not have tyres rated to at least 130km/h. So presumably no manufacturer will fit lower ratings than this.

 

There are no car/van tyres with a rating less than N, 140 kph.

 

Speed ratings are based on scientific tests where the tyre is run at speeds in 6. 2 mph steps in 10 minute increments until the required speed has been met.

 

And the tyre doesn't disintegrate. :D

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A game to pass the time away at 90kph.

 

Count the number of caravans overtaking you that you know or think are exceeding the speed limit.

 

Thanks for the figure of max train weight for your A4 chapmag. Interesting to see how a medium(ish) size car is caught up in these regulations.

 

John.

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JTQ

Thanks for highlighting this

I am definatly within this regulation with my Disco 3

Trip booked for July so have plenty of time.

Anyway just when you thought that this thread is probably closed I have noticed this quotation in a CC advise notice.

"The marker boards are legal in Portugal and if the combined weight of your vehicles is over 3. 5t they are also legal in France"

I am refering to the marker boards reqd in Spain for combinations of over 12 meters. It could be that this deserves its own thread but I thought another sticker is required in adition to the 80 and 90 for France you mentioned.

Anyone out there had any experience, Have I got to go out and get these marker boards as I am over 12 meters

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JTQ

Thanks for highlighting this

I am definatly within this regulation with my Disco 3

Trip booked for July so have plenty of time.

Anyway just when you thought that this thread is probably closed I have noticed this quotation in a CC advise notice.

"The marker boards are legal in Portugal and if the combined weight of your vehicles is over 3. 5t they are also legal in France"

I am refering to the marker boards reqd in Spain for combinations of over 12 meters. It could be that this deserves its own thread but I thought another sticker is required in adition to the 80 and 90 for France you mentioned.

Anyone out there had any experience, Have I got to go out and get these marker boards as I am over 12 meters

These are seperate issues. If you are over 12 meters in overall length, car plus van, you need the marker boards for Spain.

 

Now mine is . .. 11. 96 when I add up length of car and van from the hand-books but the length must include the spare tyre on the back of the Terrano and the hitch is set in from that so I must gain a few centimeters! it is all bit close for comfort so not sure exactly what to do especially if the civil guards tape measure has been stretched at bit in the sun !

 

Might draw up a card and laminate it with the measurements on for handing to the guardia civil to make things easier should we get stopped; particularly with the language issue as well.

 

Speed stickers for France are a different issue as was said earlier it is the max gross train weight of the car whether you have a tiny trailer or a massive van if the max train weight is over 3500 kgs then you are limited to 90/80 kph. The weight of the caravan itself is irrelevant. That is how I understand it now.

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Now mine is . .. 11. 96 when I add up length of car and van from the hand-books but the length must include the spare tyre on the back of the Terrano and the hitch is set in from that so I must gain a few centimeters!

 

The overall length of an outfit is exactly that. Front of car to rear of trailer when connected. The spare wheel on the rear of the car is not involved.

 

If you are a little over when stopped for a check just remember to brake firmly so the coupling remains compressed saving 40 mm (if it's any more your brakes need adjusting)

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This is all a bit dumb though Beejay, as a small car can pull a relatively heavy trailer whilst a big car pulling a tiny trailer is effectively restricted.

 

Do you think they really have nt thought this through properly?

 

There were lots of letter in French caravanning magazines when this was first announced, and French caravanners appear to think it's just as daft as we do. Petitions were being organised, and Caravan magazine editors were really fired up in their editorials - but whether this will have any effect remains to be seen.

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In En Route (old CC mag.) in 1972 they tested the Carlight Casalette and had it on the autoroute at 70mph "for as long as you want it". Car was a Triumph 2000, I recall. Gross weight was less than 3,5 t, though!smile.gif

 

 

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Went in to Halfords today:

 

They said that they were expecting French 80/90 kph stickers later in the year and the the spanish >12m marker boards. If this is true this will make all of this a little easier on us all in getting hold of the relevant bits and pieces.

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Went in to Halfords today:

 

They said that they were expecting French 80/90 kph stickers later in the year and the the spanish >12m marker boards. If this is true this will make all of this a little easier on us all in getting hold of the relevant bits and pieces.

 

I simply used the supplier listed on the Caravan Club's website; good service: -

 

"These stickers can be supplied by http://www. speedstickers. co. uk/ telephone: 0800 988 7329 (between 10. 00 - 14. 00)"

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I used Microsoft Word to make our speed stickers, which I printed on white card then laminated them. Regarding the marker boards for Spain, I paid 8. 95 for a pair from Diagraph. Any motor factor specialising in the commercial vehicle sector should supply you with a pair of EC70 plain marker boards for under £10. 00

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The overall length of an outfit is exactly that. Front of car to rear of trailer when connected. The spare wheel on the rear of the car is not involved.

 

If you are a little over when stopped for a check just remember to brake firmly so the coupling remains compressed saving 40 mm (if it's any more your brakes

need adjusting)

 

 

Hi beejay

 

As ever a fount of wisdom - the last bit is just so :lol:

 

neil

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I simply used the supplier listed on the Caravan Club's website; good service: -

 

"These stickers can be supplied by http://www. speedstickers. co. uk/ telephone: 0800 988 7329 (between 10. 00 - 14. 00)"

 

Those stickers do NOT comply with the French regulations which states 200 mm diameter, white background with black digits150 mm high.

 

But the penalty is only €22 per sticker. .;)

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Those stickers do NOT comply with the French regulations which states 200 mm diameter, white background with black digits150 mm high.

 

But the penalty is only €22 per sticker. .;)

 

Beejay I do find your "insistance" on this a little tiring. You may or may not be right however, all the rest of us have to go on is the guidance from the CC which states. ..

 

Quote - Nevertheless it is a legal requirement and the stickers can be purchased from www. speedstickers. co. uk telephone: 0800 988 7329 (between 10. 00 - 14. 00).

 

Please note that the stickers must be a minimum of 15cm in diameter. The speed limit must be written in black numbers on a white background. The sticker with the lowest speed must be attached to the back of the outfit on the bottom left hand side, any further stickers must be put to the right of the first one (if horizontally aligned) or above the first one (if vertically aligned).

 

If it is all the same to you I will take their advice in the absence of anything more concrete. It is probably uneccessary as the last 2 years in France have not been a problem. However, I did find in Poland last year an awful lot of interest in a "Foreign car" - as it turned out the interest was more Curiosity than anything else :)

 

Alan

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I was/am finding this most interesting with valued input from all

It seems that my XT with 4170 on the vin plate and 1500kg caravan max needs the stickers if owned in France

If owned in UK doesn't UK regs apply in EU countries as a visitor as to marking but not I expect to speed limitsrolleyes.gif

These stickers could be usefull for covering dents if the dents were carefully applied in the correct positionbiggrin.gif

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Experience is that Beejay is often or indeed nearly always right and the caravan club recently shows a less succesful reputation in its advice.

 

The information and editorial copy from the CC is often relying on commercially derived information which has proved incorrect several times in the last 12 months or so; they are not as thorough as they used to be particulaly in the magazine, which I believe has got quite sloppy in recent years.

 

If someone is correct and sticks with what they believe is correct is not being tiresome but quite welcome IMHO.

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. ....

It seems that my XT with 4170 on the vin plate and 1500kg caravan max needs the stickers if owned in France

If owned in UK doesn't UK regs apply in EU countries as a visitor as to marking but not I expect to speed limits. ....

 

 

 

Mmmm, I wonder how many gendarmes would have the GTW of my A4 Cabriolet to hand!!

 

I may get away with overtaking the odd lorry after all!!

 

With no stickers present 'cos it's a UK owned 'van. .. I wonder if they will actually bother to check!?

 

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Mmmm, I wonder how many gendarmes would have the GTW of my A4 Cabriolet to hand!!

 

I may get away with overtaking the odd lorry after all!!

 

With no stickers present 'cos it's a UK owned 'van. .. I wonder if they will actually bother to check!?

 

blink.gifbiggrin.gif

 

They don't need it to hand, they just look under the bonnet.

 

I hope your French is up to the job of putting your point of view, especially with a pistol pointing towards your ear, happens all the time in I taly, transgress their rules at your peril.

 

Personally £10 is a small price to pay for an agro free holiday. Still as they say, each to their own.

 

 

Steve W

 

 

Steve W

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They don't need it to hand, they just look under the bonnet.

 

I hope your French is up to the job of putting your point of view, especially with a pistol pointing towards your ear, happens all the time in I taly, transgress their rules at your peril.

 

Personally £10 is a small price to pay for an agro free holiday. Still as they say, each to their own.

 

 

Steve W

 

 

Steve W

 

My point was. .. would they bother pulling me over given the seemingly small size of my car.

 

More likely they might pull us over thinking that the car/caravan combination was incorrect (at which point they may want to check on the GTW).

 

Although it hasn't happened in 6 years of owning the Audi and 25 years of towing in France with various Vauxhalls.

 

Your reference to "a pistol pointing towards your ear" is rather dramatic IMHO!

 

Do you have any personal experience or examples to offer?

 

Cheers,

 

G.

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My point was. .. would they bother pulling me over given the seemingly small size of my car.

 

More likely they might pull us over thinking that the car/caravan combination was incorrect (at which point they may want to check on the GTW).

 

Although it hasn't happened in 6 years of owning the Audi and 25 years of towing in France with various Vauxhalls.

 

Your reference to "a pistol pointing towards your ear" is rather dramatic IMHO!

 

Do you have any personal experience or examples to offer?

 

Cheers,

 

G.

 

 

 

Certainly do, It happened to me in Naples and all I did was turn the wrong way down a one way street. The nice man from the Virgili Urbano went absolutely ballistic, pistol throught the window, all out and searched at the kerbside. A waiter from a nearby cafe came to our rescue and sorted it all out cost 150 euros for which I was given a receipt. The waiter lived in Ealing and was visiting his family on holiday. From that moment on I decided to follow all the rules, no matter how petty or stupid they seem, next time I may not find an English speaking local to come to my rescue.

 

My Brother in law was fined on the spot for making a right turn where it wasn't allowed, again pistol out and a lot of shouting. Can't remember his fine as it was in Lira. It was a long time ago.

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Experience is that Beejay is often or indeed nearly always right and the caravan club recently shows a less succesful reputation in its advice.

 

The information and editorial copy from the CC is often relying on commercially derived information which has proved incorrect several times in the last 12 months or so; they are not as thorough as they used to be particulaly in the magazine, which I believe has got quite sloppy in recent years.

 

If someone is correct and sticks with what they believe is correct is not being tiresome but quite welcome IMHO.

 

The problem is that Beejay keeps putting in his view BUT I HAVE NEVER SEEN HIS "EVIDENCE". If going to throw in comments then please produce the "PROOF"?

 

I have purchased the 150mm ones for the back of my caravan anyway. Not that These 80/90kph speed limits are any different from the legal limits for towing a caravan in this country anyway so no big deal. I certainly don't want to tow at 110+ kph even if I was able to.

 

Alan

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The problem is that Beejay keeps putting in his view BUT I HAVE NEVER SEEN HIS "EVIDENCE". If going to throw in comments then please produce the "PROOF"?

 

I have purchased the 150mm ones for the back of my caravan anyway. Not that These 80/90kph speed limits are any different from the legal limits for towing a caravan in this country anyway so no big deal. I certainly don't want to tow at 110+ kph even if I was able to.

 

Alan

 

I'm with Beejay in this, as you only have to look at the back of a french lorry or coach to see their speed stickers are 200mm in diameter with 150mm high letters. The difference in size is clear to see.

 

I might say show me the evidence that 150mm diameter speed stickers will be fine. I will be in France this Summer and will not be taking any chances.

 

John

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Certainly do, It happened to me in Naples and all I did was turn the wrong way down a one way street. The nice man from the Virgili Urbano went absolutely ballistic, pistol throught the window, all out and searched at the kerbside. A waiter from a nearby cafe came to our rescue and sorted it all out cost 150 euros for which I was given a receipt. The waiter lived in Ealing and was visiting his family on holiday. From that moment on I decided to follow all the rules, no matter how petty or stupid they seem, next time I may not find an English speaking local to come to my rescue.

 

My Brother in law was fined on the spot for making a right turn where it wasn't allowed, again pistol out and a lot of shouting. Can't remember his fine as it was in Lira. It was a long time ago.

 

Now I'm really confused.

 

The topic is about "France - Speed Stickers" and that was what my post related to!

 

If a French Gendarme pulls me over "for my ignorance wrt to the "new" GTW > 3500 speed limits" then so be it!

 

But your reference to "especially with a pistol pointing towards your ear" was in Italy and nothing to do with speed limits or stickers!!!!

 

I've been to Naples and don't have any desire to return to the city itself. ... but loved the history and culture in the surrounding area!

 

G.

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