Vans On Sites

[TorryYank]

More to the point, did anyone care???

 

 

Well with the number of hits a lot care.

[Steve W77]

Well with the number of hits a lot care.

 

 

More than 50% of the posts are yours, continuingly making the same banal point.

 

 

 

Steve W

[CommanderDave]

Well if I bought a new car I am in the same boatish. ...

 

But before this post did anyone even know about this middle ground on commercials?

 

 

Perhaps you cant claim the VAT back but I bet its down as a company asset and your claiming the tax back on depreciation and running costs for it even the magnetic signs . you cant have your cake and eat it as they say .

 

 

 

Dave

[TorryYank]

More than 50% of the posts are yours, continuingly making the same banal point.

 

 

 

Steve W

 

 

Well I started the debate thread? So why should I not reply. Thats what forums are for?

 

If you don't want crew cabs on site thats your view but they are used and I will use my one with magnetic stickers on it if you want.

[TorryYank]

Perhaps you cant claim the VAT back but I bet its down as a company asset and your claiming the tax back on depreciation and running costs for it even the magnetic signs . you cant have your cake and eat it as they say .

 

 

 

Dave

 

Sorry Dave I ment if I bought a car but your correct on the truck.

[Rickardo]

 

 

If you don't want crew cabs on site

 

Nobody has said this

 

All we have pointed out is that for taxation purposes Crew Cabs are classes as commercial vehicles.

 

Just because you choose to use one for private means doesn't change that fact.

 

Nor does that fact that campsites set their rules and it got sod all to do with vehicle taxation

[TorryYank]

Nobody has said this

 

All we have pointed out is that for taxation purposes Crew Cabs are classes as commercial vehicles.

 

Just because you choose to use one for private means doesn't change that fact.

 

Nor does that fact that campsites set their rules and it got sod all to do with vehicle taxation

 

 

No but they have said no commercials and crew cabs are used so I can use my one.

[Steve W77]

No but they have said no commercials and crew cabs are used so I can use my one.

 

 

I suggest that we all just ignore this plo person and get back to discussing more sensible topics of interest to the more normal members of this forum.

 

 

 

 

Steve W

[TorryYank]

I suggest that we all just ignore this plo person and get back to discussing more sensible topics of interest to the more normal members of this forum.

 

 

 

 

Steve W

 

 

Bye Steve happy caravaning.

[TorryYank]

Now Steve has gone heres an other loop hole

 

Just need sticker that look like Tinted Glass windows where the rear window should be. With that in place it looks like the 7 seat car

 

http://www. easier. com/11876-the-land-rover-defender-110-utility-wagon. html

[basilfawlty]

There's a lot of if I pay this tax I'm entitled to this or that and there's a lot of if a site doesn't want to accept you it wont well as someone once said if a frog had wings it wouldn't bump its a**e so often

 

 

roll on summer when we'll all be out in our vans somewhere and wont give a toss either way

Edited February 23, 2010 by basilfawlty

[TorryYank]

There's a lot of if I pay this tax I'm entitled to this or that and there's a lot of if a site doesn't want to accept you it wont well as someone once said if a frog had wings it wouldn't bump its a**e so often

 

 

roll on summer when we'll all be out in our vans somewhere and wont give a toss either way

 

 

well said roll on summer

[caravanstu]

What about cars that are sign written with business advatising.

You see lots of these on sites.

I think the rule should be

 

NO SIGN WRITTEN VEHICLES

 

At the end of the day a pick up is the same as a 4 x 4 I have one so that I can take all I need for my holiday.

 

[CommanderDave]

So let's get this right. You have gone out and bought your pick up and claimed the VAT back. Then its a company asset that you claim the tax back on the depreciation and running costs and you want to go and shout around that you want to use it for personal use and Mr Taxman to stop my tax allowance while using it ?

 

 

I dont think you have thought this one through ?

 

 

 

Dave

[TorryYank]

So let's get this right. You have gone out and bought your pick up and claimed the VAT back. Then its a company asset that you claim the tax back on the depreciation and running costs and you want to go and shout around that you want to use it for personal use and Mr Taxman to stop my tax allowance while using it ?

 

 

I dont think you have thought this one through ?

 

 

 

Dave

 

Personal use that I am paying for the right for.

 

I am not shouting about it.

 

I only want to show that comercials on sites are in some cases such as me not breaking any rule with regards to private use.

 

Some views "hes just borrowed his works van" and I have not I have in fact paid for the right to use it on holiday.

 

And you know the other views all untrue.

Edited February 23, 2010 by TorryYank

[megladon]

Torry Yank, I think your great, Absolute laugh, Of course everything you say is b. ....ks, but you man are great.

[bartow]

THis one has surely run its course. There is no connection whatsoever with the legal or taxable status of a vehicle on or off the road and the right of a site owner to make his own decision as to who will or will not be allowed onto his site - other than the previously listed illegal options (race, colour, religion etc).

 

This post is now just going around in circles. Would someone from admin please freeze it.

 

Although to be honest, I do enjoy TorryYank's persistence!

[Steven]

Now I have to pay the government extra cash for the right to take it on holiday so why should I be treated different?

 

If I can't be treated the same then the government should not charge me and many like me? I am doing something about this grey area.

Just to clarify:-

 

The government is not charging you extra cash for you to take the vehicle on holiday, that is just one example.

 

If a commercial vehicle is used solely for 'business use' there are certain tax benefits to the user.

 

If that user has any "benefit in kind', i. e. personal use of the vehicle (as per the example 'using it to go on holiday'), then an additional tax is levied.

 

You are being taxed because you have private use of the vehicle outside of your work, it is as simple as that!

 

This has no relationship or correlation to how a caravan club or site views your vehicle.

 

GPS

[Steven]

While we are moaning about tax can I moan that i m being discriminated against because I have to pay VAT on my car ? Unlike a commercial pick up. its swings and roundabouts .

Dave

Dave, everyone has to pay VAT on a new vehicle purchase regardless of whether it is a car or a commercial.

 

The VAT status of the purchaser and the use the vehicle is to be put to determines whether the VAT can be claimed back.

 

If the purchaser is VAT registered, they can usually claim 100% of the VAT back if they purchase a 'commercial vehicle'

 

Generally you can't reclaim the VAT when you buy, import, or in some other way acquire a car. But there are some exceptions to this. You can reclaim all of the VAT if you meet one of these conditions:

 

The car will be used exclusively for business purposes and you can show that it's not available for private use by your employees or anyone else. For example, your employees' contract of employment excludes private use including travel from home to the place of work.

You intend to use the car mainly as a taxi, a driving school car or a self-drive hire car.

You're a car dealer and the car will be part of your 'stock in trade' that you intend to sell within the next 12 months.

 

GPS

[CommanderDave]

Personal use that I am paying for the right for.

 

 

Its a few years since I owned my own companies and unless its changed . When you have a vehicle that is purchased by your company and claim the VAT back if registered and it becomes a company asset of which any depriciation can be put down as a loss to the company and you can claim the tax back . The running cost of that vehicle for company use is also tax allowed while using it for your work . You then have to declare what percentage of annual mileage is for personal use . How much you declare to the taxman is totally down to you on how much personal usage the vehicle gets .

 

As a MD of your own company in the drilling industry perhaps you have to travel and stay . I think I would be wondering if my company warrants a new caravan as a company asset you could claim the vat and running cost and depreciation of that .

 

 

 

Dave

[TorryYank]

Personal use that I am paying for the right for.

 

 

Its a few years since I owned my own companies and unless its changed . When you have a vehicle that is purchased by your company and claim the VAT back if registered and it becomes a company asset of which any depriciation can be put down as a loss to the company and you can claim the tax back . The running cost of that vehicle for company use is also tax allowed while using it for your work . You then have to declare what percentage of annual mileage is for personal use . How much you declare to the taxman is totally down to you on how much personal usage the vehicle gets .

 

As a MD of your own company in the drilling industry perhaps you have to travel and stay . I think I would be wondering if my company warrants a new caravan as a company asset you could claim the vat and running cost and depreciation of that .

 

 

 

Dave

 

No is answer.

 

And my truck has won awards from the Caravan Club.

 

How can you give an award to a truck according to some people on this forum like my old pal Steve who says you can't even take it to a caravan site.

 

http://www. isuzu. co. ...an-holiday-boom

 

http://www. caravanclub. co. uk/practical-advice/thinking-of-buying/award-winning-choices/towcar-of-the-year-awards/tested-towcars/isuzu

 

Anyway that enough on all this pickups at site.

Edited March 11, 2010 by TorryYank

[DAVYPLAN]

Hi TorryYank

 

I can understand your frustration. The specifics are immaterial but effectively you are upset because the government is charging you tax because you have personal use of the vehicle. But at the same time you are (or at least think you will be) stopped from using the vehicle for a particular type of personal use. So you feel that you are being penalised from both sides.

If I can make a comparison if you wanted to use your crew-cab for say day racing then you would not be allowed to because the people that run the race track would not consider it a suitable car. Irrespective of whether you own it, pay tax on it etc etc.

 

The sites policy is to stop either certain types of vehicle or certain types of people or certain types of activity (i. e. possible unsocial hours materials kept on site etc.) The policy is not there to stop vehicles that are owned by companies, if it were then no company cars would be allowed either. Hence the reason most people have said that the tax issue is irrelevant.

Your type of vehicle is fine (there are already lots on site.) I'm assuming you won't be using it for holidays as opposed to work. So the only other issue is if your vehicle is sign written. This should be easily overcome by simply asking the sites or clubs if the sign writing on your particular vehicle is ok.

[TorryYank]

Hi TorryYank

 

I can understand your frustration. The specifics are immaterial but effectively you are upset because the government is charging you tax because you have personal use of the vehicle. But at the same time you are (or at least think you will be) stopped from using the vehicle for a particular type of personal use. So you feel that you are being penalised from both sides.

If I can make a comparison if you wanted to use your crew-cab for say day racing then you would not be allowed to because the people that run the race track would not consider it a suitable car. Irrespective of whether you own it, pay tax on it etc etc.

 

The sites policy is to stop either certain types of vehicle or certain types of people or certain types of activity (i. e. possible unsocial hours materials kept on site etc.) The policy is not there to stop vehicles that are owned by companies, if it were then no company cars would be allowed either. Hence the reason most people have said that the tax issue is irrelevant.

Your type of vehicle is fine (there are already lots on site.) I'm assuming you won't be using it for holidays as opposed to work. So the only other issue is if your vehicle is sign written. This should be easily overcome by simply asking the sites or clubs if the sign writing on your particular vehicle is ok.

 

I joined this forum to take advice and I am going with the advice given which is I can use a crew cab but no signs on truck. I am happy with that advice.

 

Thanks for seeing my point of view. I just wanted to show it was a grey area in responce to views from some people on here that all commercial drivers were "undesirable people"

 

You will see more of these dual use as its a green option.

Edited March 6, 2010 by TorryYank

[TorryYank]

Hi TorryYank

 

If I can make a comparison if you wanted to use your crew-cab for say day racing then you would not be allowed to because the people that run the race track would not consider it a suitable car. Irrespective of whether you own it, pay tax on it etc etc.

 

 

 

Forgot to say I have put my truck round a race track against the clock as a bit of fun for the crowd.

 

Guess what? I was not the slowest!