Big Tim Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Hi Folks Just about to pull our Bailey Senator up our steeply sloping drive for the first time - we've just enlarged drive to enable 'van to fit. My 21 year old son pushed against handbrake rather than pushing it off - he was used to our old 'van which had a ratchet release button. When handbrake was released one of the caravan wheels has siezed solid. Caravan will roll back but will not pull forward. When the handbrake lever is applied it now goes vertical - it was previously at a much more gradual angle. The brakes had new linings and drums at the end of August - hardly used since then. Any advice please - we were just leaving for our 10 day Easter break and we're absolutely gutted as needed it badly after recent difficult time of family illness. I've phoned the only mobile engineer I could find locally, we're in St Helens Merseyside, but the earliest he could come is next Thursday!!! Help!!!! Tim Quote Kia Sorento Titan TDI (07) & Bailey Senator Arizona (06-5 Series)with Alko ATC, Powrtouch HD motor mover and Alko shocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatric Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 (edited) Are you saying the van rolls backwards with the hand brake applied? I'm assuming you have an 'over centre' sprung hand brake. With this type of mechanism the hand brake comes up about 45 degrees when applied normally, when the van is mover backwards the auto-reverse system releases the brakes and the hand brake lever then moves to the vertical position to re-apply the brakes. I doubt if there is anything wrong other than maybe an over adjusted brake. Edited April 4, 2009 by geriatric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Tim Posted April 4, 2009 Author Share Posted April 4, 2009 No - sorry I'm not very technical Brake holds 'van still on the slope but when released 'van will roll back but right wheel locks and does not turn when try to pull 'van forward. Tim Quote Kia Sorento Titan TDI (07) & Bailey Senator Arizona (06-5 Series)with Alko ATC, Powrtouch HD motor mover and Alko shocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatric Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 (edited) Are you trying to pull the van by hand or with a tow car? It takes quite a bit of effort to overcome the auto-reverse mechanism to re-position the brake shoes. The wheel that is locking is most likely slightly over adjusted. Edited April 4, 2009 by geriatric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Tim Posted April 4, 2009 Author Share Posted April 4, 2009 Pulling with the Kia Sorrento. It has made a foot long skid mark along our newly paved drive!!! Tim Quote Kia Sorento Titan TDI (07) & Bailey Senator Arizona (06-5 Series)with Alko ATC, Powrtouch HD motor mover and Alko shocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatric Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Has the brake now released after the foot long skid mark or did you stop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Tim Posted April 4, 2009 Author Share Posted April 4, 2009 Hi Geratric. Thanks for trying to assist I tried several times. I released and re-engaged handbrake and let 'van roll back. Brake has not released and felt continuing was unlikely to help 'van, car or drive!! Quote Kia Sorento Titan TDI (07) & Bailey Senator Arizona (06-5 Series)with Alko ATC, Powrtouch HD motor mover and Alko shocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatric Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 (edited) If the brakes were adjusted with the auto-reverse activated I would expect them both to lock when trying to move forward. Maybe one side is sufficiently different to allow rotation. I would certainly get brake adjustment checked. The only reason that I can think of that would cause this to happen if you were previously towing normally is that one end of the bowden cable has slipped from the recess when the hand brake was moved thus taking up slack that should normally exist. It is quite normal for the hand brake lever to move upwards when the wheels rotate backwards. The energy store is taking up the gap caused by the auto-reverse mechanism moving the shoes away from the drums. Sorry I can't explain it better, but I doubt if the problem is a major one unless the person replacing the brake shoes didn't do the job properly. Edited April 4, 2009 by geriatric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Tim Posted April 4, 2009 Author Share Posted April 4, 2009 Thanks for the advice Geriatric. Now I just need a mobile caravan engineer. The only one found so far is not free until next Thursday. Thanks again Tim Quote Kia Sorento Titan TDI (07) & Bailey Senator Arizona (06-5 Series)with Alko ATC, Powrtouch HD motor mover and Alko shocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatric Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 (edited) I'm used to doing all my own servicing so I'm confident about adjusting my brakes. I've worked on both single and double axle trailers, stripping down and replacing auto-reverse mechanisms and shoes. Do you have breakdown cover? - Maybe they would check the brakes for you. Sorry I can't be of more help. Edited April 4, 2009 by geriatric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TechSteve Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Dont worry Tim i'll be there Monday evening to sort the brakes Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TechSteve Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 Just been and sorted Tim's brake fault out in the most wettest of weather, it wasnt the brakes at fault but they were stuck on, can you guess what it was ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexandjen Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 Just been and sorted Tim's brake fault out in the most wettest of weather, it wasnt the brakes at fault but they were stuck on, can you guess what it was ??? Come on then, spill Quote Bailey Ranger 510/4 & Skoda Octavia Elegance Estate 1. 9TDI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul_B Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 motor mover maybe Quote Paul B . .......Mondeo Estate & Elddis Avanté 505 (Tobago) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Tim Posted April 6, 2009 Author Share Posted April 6, 2009 Hi It's me - Tim the man with the brake problem. I'm very grateful that Steve turned up just as promised and despite heavy rain fixed the brake problem in about an hour. It was none of the things suggested before or after the event but I need to chat to a few people before I say more about this. I'd be grateful if Steve could keep "stum" too for now. I'll let you in on the secret asap. On a general point for all those who live in the North West of England I would RECOMMEND STEVE VERY HIGHLY. Prompt, courteous, knowledgeable and reasonable charges. Regards Tim Quote Kia Sorento Titan TDI (07) & Bailey Senator Arizona (06-5 Series)with Alko ATC, Powrtouch HD motor mover and Alko shocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianinhull Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 Did you forget to remove your Alko Wheel Lock. Brianinhull Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Blue '07 X Trail Aventura 2. 2dci, S7 Pageant Provence + Truma MK2 Original Mover, Blue Kampa Rally 390 Awning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Tim Posted April 6, 2009 Author Share Posted April 6, 2009 Did you forget to remove your Alko Wheel Lock. Brianinhull Thanks for that Brian!! I'm not quite that bad yet, even though the Alko wheel lock is a bit stiff at times. LOL Sorry no more information until tomorrow and that's only if Cary does not make me leave for our, delayed hols at the crack of dawn. Regards Tim Quote Kia Sorento Titan TDI (07) & Bailey Senator Arizona (06-5 Series)with Alko ATC, Powrtouch HD motor mover and Alko shocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 Just been and sorted Tim's brake fault out in the most wettest of weather, it wasnt the brakes at fault but they were stuck on, can you guess what it was ??? Wheel-wedge jamming the handbrake cable????????????????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
602 Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Wheel-wedge jamming the handbrake cable????????????????????? Hi, Did he fix it with a 2lb club hammer? 602 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Tim Posted April 7, 2009 Author Share Posted April 7, 2009 IT WASN'T ME at all (makes a change!!) The problem was caused by the ATC which, I had had retrofitted last June by CMI's Alko agent. The ATC push bar had pulled out and caused the brakes to sieze on. The brakes were actually fine and generally set up well. I'll be saying more when I return from hols next week but I need to get going as I've just had the okay from Alko's Alan Saunders and the assurance that it won't happen again. He has spoken to Steve and is happy that he has adjusted the ATC correctly. What I find VERY WORRYING was that the ATC warning light indicated that it was working properly!!!! Anyway I'm off for my belated hols. Regards Tim Quote Kia Sorento Titan TDI (07) & Bailey Senator Arizona (06-5 Series)with Alko ATC, Powrtouch HD motor mover and Alko shocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatric Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 (edited) Ah - didn't mention ATC. I knew it was something that had shifted and jammed, That's why I asked if Bowden cable outer had shifted. Well done Steve {Tradetech} good job you stayed. Edited April 7, 2009 by geriatric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TechSteve Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Glad Tim and family got away, but honestly you should have seen the weather . .. talk about April showers, more like a monsoon Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julianjay Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Sorry to be ignorant but what is ATC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianinhull Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Active Trailer Control, technology that operates brakes when excessive movement is felt by onboard gizmo, prevents snaking. Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Blue '07 X Trail Aventura 2. 2dci, S7 Pageant Provence + Truma MK2 Original Mover, Blue Kampa Rally 390 Awning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianI Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Sorry to be ignorant but what is ATC See this link http://www. al-koatc. co. uk/index. htm Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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