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A colleague of mine has asked me a question that I dont know the answer to, wonder if anyone can help.

 

He has been offered a deal on a van by a dealer that is described as a 2008 van but 2009 spec, but is still new ( no previous owners ) both of us view this as new now 2009, so why does the dealer call it " 2008 " and what are the implications, surely its age is from when first bought new, especially as its 2009 model year.

 

My car is an 08 plate, registered new to me in 2008 and by every measure its a 2008 vehicle, warranty, value, etc etc. But I have no idea when it was built.

 

A little embarrased I dont know this but never happened to me, whats the story here.

 

 

Andy

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Caravan model years start on 1st September of the preceeding year and run until 31st August of the model year - this is in common with the world's motor industry.

 

If your car was actually built as a 2006 or 2007 model year, it may affect it's value if there were significant changes between the 2006 and 2007, or 2007 and 2008 model years.

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Ok follow that understand about face lift or model changes, but this is as I understand it is 2009 spec / model, so if he buys it now is it a 2008 van or 2009 van, ie when bought new.

 

With regard to car ref mine was current spec not changed since new model launch in 2005 making it a 2008 car although may have been screwed together 2007 for all I know.

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A colleague of mine has asked me a question that I dont know the answer to, wonder if anyone can help.

 

He has been offered a deal on a van by a dealer that is described as a 2008 van but 2009 spec, but is still new ( no previous owners ) both of us view this as new now 2009, so why does the dealer call it " 2008 " and what are the implications, surely its age is from when first bought new, especially as its 2009 model year.

 

My car is an 08 plate, registered new to me in 2008 and by every measure its a 2008 vehicle, warranty, value, etc etc. But I have no idea when it was built.

 

A little embarrased I dont know this but never happened to me, whats the story here.

 

Andy

 

Hi Andy

 

Caravan years start in the previous September so a November 08 built van will be classed as an 09 model.

Seems the dealer is being very clear in what the van is - built after Sept 08 but to the 09 spec.

 

As you now realise your car may well have been built years ago and sat on an airfield since, it is really only

an 08 'registered' car perhaps not even an 08 built car (but obviously could be) with cars it is a little more

obvious - an 08 Model T Ford would stand out a bit ;) - I think the VIN number gives the year of build.

 

With the downturn I would imagine a fair few cars are stockpiled and the build to registration gap will spread. ..

 

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Neil & Roger

 

 

Thanks for reply I guess his question to me is :-

 

 

1 - When he wants to sell is the value based on 2009 van when he bought it or 2008 when it was built.

 

2 - Is it really the good deal it might first seem.

 

 

Wish he hadnt asked me, its my boss.

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Think I might shrug my shoulders and remind him of his favourite saying " no such thing as a free lunch "

 

I could always suggest he thinks " outside the box " or " embraces change " or even let him " press the button to make that happen " not forgetting the fave cop out " let me give it some thought "

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Caravans registrations are slightly different to cars, in that the VIN number states when the caravan was made, this is also used for registration, so if its made in 2008, it will have an 8 at position 10 of the registration number. It may well be '09 spec, but its still an '08 'van.

 

I have a friend who was under the impression he had a 2005 ‘van, after he traded it in, the dealer realized it was a 2004 ‘van, after checking the VIN number, and added £500 to the trade in! So, making a mistake on the year is worth at least + or - £500.

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Neil & Roger

Thanks for reply I guess his question to me is :-

1 - When he wants to sell is the value based on 2009 van when he bought it or 2008 when it was built.

 

2 - Is it really the good deal it might first seem.

Wish he hadnt asked me, its my boss.

My s/h van was sold to me by a reputable dealer as 2005 van it was built late 2004 the CRiS no. on the windows state the year as 2005 so as far as i'm concerned if i sell it is a 2005 van

 

see what year the CRiS no. states

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My s/h van was sold to me by a reputable dealer as 2005 van it was built late 2004 the CRiS no. on the windows state the year as 2005 so as far as i'm concerned if i sell it is a 2005 van

 

see what year the CRiS no. states

 

Hi,

 

If the dealer and CRiS # states it's an '05, what make you say it was built at the end of '04?

 

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Hi,

 

If the dealer and CRiS # states it's an '05, what make you say it was built at the end of '04?

 

Lloyd

the year date in the manual /certificate states its 2004 I understand that the van was ordered & built in 2004 for delivery to the owner in 2005 as a 2005 model

 

I must admit that i was a little upset having bought a "2005" van to find 2004 in the manual however when checking the CRiS number it indicated the van was 2005 I summise that it is when the van was registered with CRiS? & not when actualy built

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the year date in the manual /certificate states its 2004 I understand that the van was ordered & built in 2004 for delivery to the owner in 2005 as a 2005 model

 

I must admit that i was a little upset having bought a "2005" van to find 2004 in the manual however when checking the CRiS number it indicated the van was 2005 I summise that it is when the van was registered with CRiS? & not when actualy built

 

I guess we’d have to ask the manufacturers when they stamp the chassis and print the plate. It does seem a bit strange though, as the 10th number of the CRiS reg’n is supposed to be the year of manufacture.

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I bought a little Ace Rallyman 'ghia' caravan from a friend to help him out, ABI serial numbers are notorious for being difficult to decipher but he told me it was bought new in 87, two previous owners, (second of which I knew well and the original buyer vaguely), lived in the same village so I had no reason to doubt this.

 

Point being as I later found, Ghia models were only built in 85! so I can only imagine it stood for 2yrs before being sold 'as new', still, officially it was an 85 but I felt it fair to split the difference when I sold it on ebay!! :o

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the year date in the manual /certificate states its 2004 I understand that the van was ordered & built in 2004 for delivery to the owner in 2005 as a 2005 model

 

I must admit that i was a little upset having bought a "2005" van to find 2004 in the manual however when checking the CRiS number it indicated the van was 2005 I summise that it is when the van was registered with CRiS? & not when actualy built

Unlike motor vehicles, caravans are allocated their CRiS no when built, not when sold and the windows are etched at the factory. I believe all caravans manufactured after 1 Sep 2008 will be registered as 2009.

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Our van was bought new in 2006 but made in May 2005 and is classed as a 2005 van by dealers who will only offer 2005 part ex prices for it. They say legally they can only sell it as 2005. Check the month/year on the vin plate and compare the price with other similar vans on www. caravanfinder. co. uk

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Neil & Roger

Thanks for reply I guess his question to me is :-

1 - When he wants to sell is the value based on 2009 van when he bought it or 2008 when it was built.

 

2 - Is it really the good deal it might first seem.

Wish he hadnt asked me, its my boss.

If the dealer is describing it as a 2008 model then it was presumably built between September 2007 and August 2008 - it should be described and valued as a 2008 when it's eventually sold.

 

Whether it was a good deal depends on the price paid for it!

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If the dealer is describing it as a 2008 model then it was presumably built between September 2007 and August 2008 - it should be described and valued as a 2008 when it's eventually sold.

 

Whether it was a good deal depends on the price paid for it!

 

Hi.

 

My van is classed as a 2006, it shows the year in the Vin No on the windows.

 

But it was manufactured in November 2005.

 

It was sold to me as a 2006, and will be sold on as a 2006 in the future.

 

Cheers.

 

T.

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Hi.

 

My van is classed as a 2006, it shows the year in the Vin No on the windows.

 

But it was manufactured in November 2005.

 

It was sold to me as a 2006, and will be sold on as a 2006 in the future.

 

Cheers.

 

T.

If it's built between September 2005 and August 2006, it's a 2006 model - so yours should correctly be identified as a 2006 - so we're all happy?.

 

Model years start/end away from Dec/Jan because it's easier to make the necessary production changes during summer shutdown periods.

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If the dealer is describing it as a 2008 model then it was presumably built between September 2007 and August 2008 - it should be described and valued as a 2008 when it's eventually sold.

 

Whether it was a good deal depends on the price paid for it!

 

Is this also the case for Bailey, who supposedly don’t have yearly changes. eg. a S6 Senator could be a 2007 to 2009 caravan.

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Is this also the case for Bailey, who supposedly don't have yearly changes. eg. a S6 Senator could be a 2007 to 2009 caravan.

Yes, thats the case. All Baileys manufactured after 1 Sep 2008 will be 2009 models and identified as such with the CRiS no even though the design may not have changed.

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Yes, thats the case. All Baileys manufactured after 1 Sep 2008 will be 2009 models and identified as such with the CRiS no even though the design may not have changed.

Brian

 

Hi Brian,

 

I think you may have misunderstood me.

 

What I meant was: Bailey don't have annual models, they have series models so surely there’s no such thing as a ‘2009 model’. A ‘S6’ Senator built in August 2008 or September 2008 should have an 8 as the year of manufacture. Neither should be described as 2009 models.

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Hi Lonegroover,

I did not misunderstand you, I just answered your question.

 

It is my understanding that all caravans manufactured after 1 Sep are designated with the year number of the following year in the CRiS number. This still happens even if the model remains the same. The reasoning is that this enables the manufacturers to have a stock of 2009 models for the peak buying time in the spring, even though some will have been manufactured in the latter part of 2008. In the case of Bailey, where they use their series which seem to run for two years, differences of one year from the other can be identified by the CRiS. You would not expect to see the same year designation in the CRiS for two years running.

 

Car manufacturers do similar things, which can be identified by the VIN number, although a car is not registered until sold. My wife has a 2007 model Honda Civic purchased at the end of Sep 2006, which was made after 1 Sep. There were some very minor changes made to the 2006 model.

 

It is important to view the CRiS no of a new caravan offered at a bargain price as it may be last years model. Nothing wrong in buying a last years model new as long as you know thats what it is and it is factored into the price.

Brian

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Hi Brian,

 

I think you may have misunderstood me.

 

What I meant was: Bailey don't have annual models, they have series models so surely there’s no such thing as a ‘2009 model’. A ‘S6’ Senator built in August 2008 or September 2008 should have an 8 as the year of manufacture. Neither should be described as 2009 models.

Bailey's Series definition is no different from the mark number on cars - the Freelander 2 covers several model years which may, or may not, have slight differences between each model year.

 

The concept of a Senator S6 2008 model year being a different year in the CRiS number to a Senator S6 2009, and therefore a different value when re-sold, isn't any different to cars.

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