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Owners of a Pajero and who are members of the Caravan Club may like to read and digest the article in this months magazine.   Not good news, to say the least!

 

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A large number of Pajero's in the UK are stolen Japanese imports coming in via Dubai or otherwise, through France or Ireland into the UK.

 

They are given new identities but are relatively easy to spot as the factory paint over the stamped in chassis number is 2-pack and unaffected by acetone. Dodgy ones are sprayed over in cellulose normally and a quick wipe of nail varnish remover over the chassis VIN stamping will take off any dubious cellulose paint. If anyone finds they have one of these, I would recommend taking it to their nearest police station for a vehicle examiner to inspect. A lot of these rung cars are not safe (that is the last thing on a crooks mind).

 

Si.

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A large number of Pajero's in the UK are stolen Japanese imports coming in via Dubai or otherwise, through France or Ireland into the UK.

 

They are given new identities but are relatively easy to spot as the factory paint over the stamped in chassis number is 2-pack and unaffected by acetone. Dodgy ones are sprayed over in cellulose normally and a quick wipe of nail varnish remover over the chassis VIN stamping will take off any dubious cellulose paint. If anyone finds they have one of these, I would recommend taking it to their nearest police station for a vehicle examiner to inspect. A lot of these rung cars are not safe (that is the last thing on a crooks mind).

 

Si.

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The actual gist of the article is that a Pajero's seem to have a clutch that is unsuited to towing, it isn't raising concerns about stolen imports.

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The actual gist of the article is that a Pajero's seem to have a clutch that is unsuited to towing, it isn't raising concerns about stolen imports.

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The article also says that the Pajero isn't suitable for towing as the cooling system isn't up to it.

 

Yossa

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The article also says that the Pajero isn't suitable for towing as the cooling system isn't up to it.

 

Yossa

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And yet if you look at the Pajero cwners club site they rave about its towing abilitys all be it some do fit oil coolers on the auto gearboxes. :(

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Yes I have one but sorry its an auto

 

As for towing and over heating well I guess its a case of you will always find a number of vehicles in any make that have problems. I am a member of POCUK and it is true that there are lots of satisfied owners who rave about them and rightly so. There have also been many posts about the overheating problems and auto box cooling with the opinion being that much is down to servicing and the possibility of some design flaws which necessitate good servicing policies to be adhered to (rad flush, auto oil changed etc)

 

My personal experience is as follows:

 

Mine rarely as nothing behind it, often towing a tipping trailer of 2000kg up hill and down dale and upto press the auto box has coped with it cooling wise along with engine cooling. Our caravan will weigh in at 1600kg loaded with 5 passengers and bikes canoe and all the gear on board. Last summer towed none stop from the lakes to cornwall no problems, then accross to Norfolk none stop and then back home. The journey was comfortable and the Paj cruised along with no problems. Autum we headed up into the scotish highlands lots of long drags and again not a beat missed. So my verdict is that the Paj is solid and depenndable BUT does need regular maintainance .

 

Si = Things have been tightened a great deal on that score. There maybe stolen ones about as with many cars but there are ways to check and reputable importers will have had the vehicle fully checked before it gets on the forecourt.

 

Pajeros were intended for other markets, not the UK, which is why various specification changes occur, compared to a Shogun.

 

It's the downside of buying a cheap "grey" import, whether stolen or legitimate.

 

Down side, ummm, aircon, electric everything, more extras than you could ever get on a shogie, unbelievably well cared for by their Japanese owners, often with low mileage and service histories, if only all downsides were so good. Yes they were not intended for this market, hence the spec changes as we usually settle for less than other markets around the world.

 

Now that I have said all this it will probably overheat, crack the head and throw a con rod through the block.

 

Sorry for going on a bit, I 'll get down now.

 

Paul

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Paul,

I'm quite new to caravaning, and I too have a 2. 8TD Auto LWB Pajero. I found your post very helpful particularly as it followed the other very worrying ones that did nothing to calm a very nervous new tower. Wouldn't it be nice if people who very obviously didn't know what they were talking about kept their alarmist views to themselves! I too am very happy with my cheap grey import with the downside of all the great extras!

Thnks again,

Rachel :P

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Paul,

I'm quite new to caravaning, and I too have a 2. 8TD Auto LWB Pajero.   I found your post very helpful particularly as it followed the other very worrying ones that did nothing to calm a very nervous new tower.   Wouldn't it be nice if people who very obviously didn't know what they were talking about kept their alarmist views to themselves!  I too am very happy with my cheap grey import with the downside of all the great extras!

Thnks again,

Rachel :P

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I don't think that they were particularly alarmist views. Information is power, ignorance is just stupidity when you can get the information, even if you don't like what you are being told.

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I don't think that they were particularly alarmist views.   Information is power, ignorance is just stupidity when you can get the information, even if you don't like what you are being told.

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Couldn't agree more and it is great that places like this and POCUK exist. I used POCUK extensively before deciding upon the purchase of my Pajero trawling through loads of posts asking questions and taking the advice. Its the same here Caravans to be bought, new buyers to be educated, helpful people to help them.

 

Paul

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No such thing as Shoguns over here in Ireland, we all have Pajero's. Mine is a 2. 8 Turbo Intercooler LWB and will tow a tractor and trailer no probs(had to tow start a tractor with attached trailer on our farm). However it is a manual gearbox version.

 

Wouldn't know it had a caravan on the back, very strong motors and running gear, designed for heavy loads.

 

As for the 'grey' imports, they are the best ones to buy as they have never towed anything as its illeagal to do so in Japan without special reasons. They are just status symbols in Japan and are immaculate when they arrive over here. Remember the Japanese have to get rid of any 4 year old vehicle or pay heavy taxes if they keep them. Plus as been said already, they come with all the extras as standard, they pawn off the basic stuff on the export market and keep the best for themselves. .. B)

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I agree with all the 'pro' comments on the Pajero so far.

I have one and would go so far to say it's the best motor I have ever had in 40 years of motoring.

I tow 1900kg of caravan with mine and it never misses a beat.

I would suggest the Caravan Club should be hung,drawn and quartered for their article in the March edition of their magazine. It was full of 'hearsay' and they should be ashamed that they have not backed up comments with any 'real' evidence.

Interesting to note that the same issue contains a full page advert for Shoguns,and let's face it what are Shoguns,an expensive 'import' without the many extra's the Pajero boasts.

You only have to look what price range of cars are 'tested' in this magazine and others similar. Most are £25. 000 plus,far beyond the range of most people. So anyone who stumbles on the grey import market and realises what a fantastic deal they are getting are not going to be best recieved at main dealers in this country.

We continue to live in 'Rip off Britain' and buyers of Pajero's are only taking advantage of this and sticking up two fingers.

 

Charlie.

The light at the end of the tunnel has been switched off.

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I read the article last night in full, very interesting :blink:

 

I access the Japanese Auctions regularly and can say in honesty that the ratio of Auto Pajero's to Manual is approx 80/20 So with so few Manual box pajeros actually comming into this country I wounder how this local garage specialist based in an area of the country which could hardly be classed as densely populated sees these manual motors with weak clutches day in day out. :D Then to follow the statement with "there maybe nothing in in this but. ...." Well I rest my case.

 

Also I see that the articles refers to towing abroad / warm climates over high terrain with the clubs emergency rescue service learning that they had been reciving a notable number of call outs from Paj owners whos vehicles were overheating. I would be very interested to know the figures that they based this on and how many pajeros they have enroled.

 

If the author would like to elaborate perhaps we could really get our teeth into it

 

Paul

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P. S.

Something I forgot to mention about the Caravan Club article. ...........

 

The Pajero 'expert' they confided in stated that he see's overheating problems with clutch and flywheel 'on a daily basis'.

This is very interesting as the vast majority of Pajeros are automatic and consequently dont have clutch and flywheel.

 

Charlie.

The light at the end of the tunnel has been switched off.

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I have no experience of Pajero's or Shogun's but I have spent some time in Japan. The summertime in Japan is extremely hot and humid, almost tropical and any vehicle designed for this market would be unlikely to overheat in Europe, always assuming it is OK in its native surroundings.

 

Brian

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I have no experience of Pajero's or Shogun's but I have spent some time in Japan. The summertime in Japan is extremely hot and humid, almost tropical and any vehicle designed for this market would be unlikely to overheat in Europe, always assuming it is OK in its native surroundings.

 

Brian

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I believe that they also spend a great deal of the time that they drive snarled up in trafic which is great for testing cooling systems.

 

Paul

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Apart from the obvious cosmetic diffrences there are no major diffirences mechanicly between the Shogun and the Japanese Pajero, the fuel pump metering is set richer then ours for high altitude work in the japanese mountains. As to the problems with the clutchs they are a duel mass flywheel type and nearly every manufacture suffers from some degree of unreliability with these units. :rolleyes:

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Unfortunately all auto boxes have clutches in them, and when they talk about overheating, it is the oil in the autobox that is overheating not the engine. I've also been told the gear ratio's are different in Japan, to overcome the problem, just fit an oil cooler in the system. The reason they dont overheat in Japan is simple, they dont tow caravans. Also to my demize and expence, the electrics dont alow for the extra current needed for all the extra lights on a caravan, mine has 12 and it burnt out several relays including flasher unit at £47 and rear light failure relay, at £105. If you can find them they all have 4 bulbs only printed on them, its the only writing on the vehicle thats not in Japanese.

Not impressed at all.

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Very true Auto gearboxes do have clutches and it is esential that the oil does not overheat however due to the stresses that a 4X4 is built to endure there is normaly a sufficient safty margin built in to allow towing without damage occuring.

It is standard practice to do a little ohms law calculation when fitting a towbar to ensure

that wiring, fuses and relay units will handle the required loads. :blink:

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Pajeros are very popular as tow vehicles in Australia, particularly the 3. 2 litre DiD which handles our heavier vans effortlessly. The great majority are autos. I have not heard of any overheating problems with either the motor or transmission, even in the hotter parts of the country where daytime temperatures are always in the 30's.

 

Stephen.

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I'm loosly thinking about a Pajero. .....

 

Must be a swb diesel (preferably the most econmical model), have aircon, and cruise. Not bothered if auto/manual.

 

any ideas what ££ vs age/condition would be like??

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I'm loosly thinking about a Pajero. .....

 

Must be a swb diesel (preferably the most econmical model), have aircon, and cruise. Not bothered if auto/manual.

 

any ideas what ££ vs age/condition would be like??

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My recommendation is that you start here - an owners club dedicated to the marque.

 

http://www. pocuk. com/

 

I have no affiliations; don't even own a Pajero but this site has a wealth of information about them.

 

Regards

 

Andy

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