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High everybody,first posting on new web site for me!!.Has anybody any info/tips/preferances or experience with using power/super chips on diesel ecu's,ie costs/fitting/suppliers and power availability. Has anybody used one on a fiat 2. 8 jtd? as i'm looking to give mine a bit more umph now its nearly run in. All the best to the new admin i know they'll do there best for us. B)

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Hi Waggi,

Ill be interested in seeing what replies you get to this one as im thinking of getting my peugeot chipped also.

Ive seen a website called www. dieselbob. com and they quoted me £360 for a chip which i think is quite reasonable, but i want to find out a bit more info first before i buy one.

 

Cheers

 

Oscar

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First off, I do not know if this should go in tow car talk but I know Waggi is talking about a large Lunar motor caravan (I'll let one of the other moderators decide where they want it)LOL.

Oscar I owe you an apology. I am sure it was you sent me a pm but in the hustle and bustle of the change over it got accidently deleted. The chip fitted to my Terrano is manufactured by Van Aaken. It is easily fitted by the normal person. Known as a smart box. They do not make them for all diesels but worth enquiring. The last one I know who bought one was Wonky for his TD5. He'll have a better idea of price as mine was over 3 years ago. Martin perhaps knows the web address as well. If anyone knows the answer to Waggi's query re the Fiat could they please post.

 

Thanks

Pete

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First off, I do not know if this should go in tow car talk but I know Waggi is talking about a large Lunar motor caravan (I'll let one of the other moderators decide where they want it)LOL.  

Oscar I owe you an apology. I am sure it was you sent me a pm but in the hustle and bustle of the change over it got accidently deleted.   The chip fitted to my Terrano is manufactured by Van Aaken. It is easily fitted by the normal person.   Known as a smart box. They do not make them for all diesels but worth enquiring. The last one I know who bought one was Wonky for his TD5. He'll have a better idea of price as mine was over 3 years ago.   Martin perhaps knows the web address as well. If anyone knows the answer to Waggi's query re the Fiat could they please post.

 

Thanks

Pete

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Pete didn't really talk up the chip but believe me it is worth every penny of the £423 I paid (mention Caravan Club and you get a discount!)

 

The Web site is http://www. vanaaken. com/europe/main/index. htm

 

If they can help, they are one of the best - go for it!

 

Wonky

Discovery D3 HSE + Coachman VIP 575/4 2016

www.pennplanning.co.uk

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Thanks Pete and Wonky for the info, i had a look on Van aakens web site and it looks as though the smart box is a fit all type box, so if i do change the car in the future i can swap it over, ive contacted them to confirm this but being sunday theres no one there so ill try again in the week

Although im happy with the cars performance as it is and on the 'A' roads and hills it pulls great with the low down torque, but being only a 90 bhp it could do with a few more horses on long motorway inclines, so £400 to give it a tad more umph seems cheaper than buying a new car

 

Cheers all

 

Oscar

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Oscar, take a look at www. tunit. co. uk I had a 406 hdi and fitted one of their boxes. I got 6mpg more and the power difference was well worth the money. I was towing at 100% and the car would pull in 5th gear on long motorway inclines where as before fitment I had to drop down a gear. Tom.

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I would also have a look at your insurance policy, they have to be notified if the car is modified, and a chip is classed as a modification. They were going to increase our premium by £150 and triple all the excesses, so we did not bother.

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Oscar, take a look on e-bay. Look in automotive,then put 406 diesel tuning in search box. A German company is selling tuning boxes for 99 euros. Worth a look at.

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A few words of caution.

 

Some of the cheap boxes are just that,a resistor in the right place can boost power at the expense of fuel consunption and more importantly engine reliability. These cheap add-ons are not likely to be the result of any exhaustive research and will not have any backup. :unsure:

 

As already mentioned,check with your insurance and if necessary shop around as some companies will not entertain any modification at all,whereas others will increase the cars rating by 1 or 2 groups. :)

 

Frank

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The trick is to keep tohe old unit . ... on Passats, the only difference between the CL and the GT is the map porgrammed into the EMU.

 

Stick the uprated unit in, and keep the old one in the boot. If in doubt (or trouble) just plug the old one back in. It only takes a couple of minutes on most vehicles.

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The trick is to keep tohe old unit . ... on Passats, the only difference between the CL and the GT is the map porgrammed into the EMU.

 

Stick the uprated unit in, and keep the old one in the boot. If in doubt (or trouble) just plug the old one back in. It only takes a couple of minutes on most vehicles.

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That's fair enough but shouldn't get away from the fact that you must inform your insurance!

 

Take the scenario that you have an accident (God forbid) where someone is hurt - or worse! The police will usually want to examine the car and if found to be chipped without telling the insurance, you run the risk of not being insured :o - Not good!

 

Martin W

Discovery D3 HSE + Coachman VIP 575/4 2016

www.pennplanning.co.uk

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Or if the driver is the only person in the car and gets injured in an accident. It may be a bit difficult jumping out of the ambulance with possible broken bones to change thing back to the way they should be for insurance puposes.

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This is something that is well covered on most car enthusiasts forums. RICA Tuning do a chip for my car that'll add about 30 horses and a load of extra torque and is completely undetectable by dealer or insurance company. I wouldn't risk it without telling mine though. Besides, if you're driving a higher performance car then shouldn't you consider upgrading brakes etc. .

 

Also consider how this may affect your warranty - if your car is still covered and you get it chipped and the gearbox explodes for whatever reason your dealer will probably try to blame the chip.

 

Keat

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This is something that is well covered on most car enthusiasts forums. RICA Tuning do a chip for my car that'll add about 30 horses and a load of extra torque and is completely undetectable by dealer or insurance company. I wouldn't risk it without telling mine though. Besides, if you're driving a higher performance car then shouldn't you consider upgrading brakes etc. .

 

Also consider how this may affect your warranty - if your car is still covered and you get it chipped and the gearbox explodes for whatever reason your dealer will probably try to blame the chip.

 

Keat

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Hi Keat,

 

I thought that this chip was undetectable. :unsure:

 

From everything that I have read on various TDI forums there is no such thing as an unidentifiable remap,rechip or add-on box. The dealer OBD software will spot it,or if it is an add-on box that can be switched out,the box will still be there.

 

I have read of some add-on manufacturers claiming that their boxes can be easily removed prior to services and then re-installed. A lot depends on the vehicle in question.

 

My take on these issues is,if you have the 100PS version of a car that is also offered in 130PS form,the only mod. being a remap,then fair enough. However if you can boost the 130PS model to 160PS,why has the manufacturer not offered a 160PS derivative. Could it be due to reliability problems?

 

Surely if the higher power output/reliability were feasible,the manufacturer would offer it as an alternative model to create more sales.

 

I certainly would not mess with warranty or insurance.

 

Frank

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I phoned my insurance company today to ask if the premium would be much more if i upgraded the engine from 90 to 110 bhp, bearing in mind that the 110 version is the same car as the 90, ie same brakes, same gear box, same clutch etc, and they wanted an extra £170

Crazy thing is the 110 and the 90 bhp peugeots are both group 12 insurance.

 

Oscar

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Hi New Member signing in.

Bought a new Skoda Octavia in January 2002, The dealer fitted a chip FOC with paperwork covering the guarantee. Last september my wife & I covered 3600 miles in France and returned 58 mpg. A friend with the Octavia estate not chipped

only manages 47mgp but perhaps this is down to driving techinques.

 

Norbs, Octavia but with no van yet. :)

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Hi New Member signing in.

Bought a new Skoda Octavia in January 2002, The dealer fitted a chip FOC with paperwork covering the guarantee. Last september my wife & I covered 3600 miles in France and returned 58 mpg. A friend with the Octavia estate not chipped

only manages 47mgp but perhaps this is down to driving techinques.

 

Norbs, Octavia but with no van yet. :)

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Hey Norbs,

 

Welcome to the 'club'! You know how to depress a fella don't you :rolleyes: !

 

My chipped disco did 20mpg down to South of France last year (must admit, no difference to before the chip!), but that was doing about 70 - 75mph mostly - I think the drag factor came into effect big time. The problem here was the friends we were travelling with have a company car and fuel paid for, even on holiday, so they didn't worry. They have a Merc estate (can't remember what model but 2. 5 litre diesel engine) and did 20mpg so mine wasn't too bad really. Might ask them to slow down a bit this year though!

 

Martin W

Discovery D3 HSE + Coachman VIP 575/4 2016

www.pennplanning.co.uk

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On the subject of write offs and insurance I can tell you I've seen a few loss assessor reports in my time. Assuming no police forensic examination is required the loss assessor is required to comment upon general condition of the vehicle, tyres and confirm the repair costs, or, if beyond economic repair, the salvage value. He might also check the engine compartment for the chassis number but personally, I think it highly unlikely that he'll go ferreting around the engine bay for evidence of chipping the ECU.

 

That said, I would never suggest undertaking any modification to the vehicle without advising your insurers.

 

Regards

 

David, Callum and Connor (NRF)

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High everybody,first posting on new web site for me!!.Has anybody any info/tips/preferances or experience with using power/super chips on diesel ecu's,ie costs/fitting/suppliers and power availability. Has anybody used one on a fiat 2. 8 jtd? as i'm looking to give mine a bit more umph now its nearly run in. All the best to the new admin i know they'll do there best for us. B)

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try www. superchips. co. uk

 

3 freinds of mine have all got their deisels chiped a seat alhambra from 130ps to 160ps . .. a vw bora from 130 to 170ps and a seat leon from 130 to 170 . .. the leon had to have the clutch replaced after a while because there not ment to have 170 ps put through them, they also change the tyres more often because they tend to spin the wheels quite alot, but thats all down to driving style . ... all of them are more than pleased with the results, but beware more power used means more fuel used too . each of them paid around £300- £400 well worth it . .. but not done by superchips, cant remember who by . ...

 

hope this helps

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Always be a little suspicious about BHP claims for chips!

 

Wearing my MG cap many of the MG guys do a lot of performance upgrading and are hard pushed to get any real BHP gains from a chip alone - normally they also need to do a fair amount of 'mechanical' work to the engine, especially the head and manifolds and after spending many hundreds of pounds they are more than happy if they can get another 20 BHP - BTW I am referring to modern MGs not oldies.

 

We also have seen more than one person completely ruin an engine because inapropriate chipping.

 

If you are thinking along these lines it pays to talk to serious performance enhancing specialists.

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High everybody,first posting on new web site for me!!.Has anybody any info/tips/preferances or experience with using power/super chips on diesel ecu's,ie costs/fitting/suppliers and power availability. Has anybody used one on a fiat 2. 8 jtd? as i'm looking to give mine a bit more umph now its nearly run in. All the best to the new admin i know they'll do there best for us. B)

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i'm also new to this forum,so hi to everybody.

if you are serious about having your engine [chipped]

try these TB TURBO tel 01524 67157 the have a website too www. turboboost. co. uk. approved fiat agents found them in MMM motorhome mag.

 

when you are talking about chipping, the best solution is a remap.

where as any bolt on type goodies,as good as some are,can cause overfueling

so wearing out your engine rather sooner than it would normally.

a proper remap is not detectable,as it only chances certain perameters within the

ecu program. it should also iron out any flat spots the vehicle had before.

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try www. superchips. co. uk

 

3 freinds of mine have all got their deisels chiped a seat alhambra from 130ps to 160ps . .. a vw bora from 130 to 170ps and a seat leon from 130 to 170 . .. the leon had to have the clutch replaced after a while because there not ment to have 170 ps put through them, they also change the tyres more often because they tend to spin the wheels quite alot, but thats all down to driving style . ... all of them are more than pleased with the results, but  beware more power used means more fuel used too . each of them paid around £300- £400 well worth it . .. but not done by superchips,   cant remember who by . ...

 

hope this helps

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the bhp would'nt make a bit of difference,only the torque would.

as they have excellent clutches,capable of at least 280 ft ibs in the 130 and 150

stock cars,the 170 tune should not have done anything to the clutch, mpg will only

be worse if you use the extra power,but at the same speed you may found a

slight improvement with a remapped engine.

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the bhp would'nt make a bit of difference,only the torque would.

as they have excellent clutches,capable of at least 280 ft ibs in the 130 and 150

stock cars,the 170 tune should not have done anything to the clutch, mpg will only

be worse if you use the extra power,but at the same speed you may found a

slight improvement with a remapped engine.

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Hi Giro,

Where did you get your information on VAG clutches from?If you follow the forums such as Vortex you will read just the opposite. In fact the clutches are incapable of dealing with the torque from the standard 1. 8t and TDI engines due to it being designed for the 2ltr motor. This has reached the level of litigation in the USA. Check the site below and the Vortex forum.

 

Are you considering the earlier solid flywheel clutches before the introduction of the DMF?

 

http://www. dieselgeek. com/clutch. htm

 

Frank

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Hi

 

We looked into chipping before deciding to change our car. VW chip would have cost us around £400. 00. Insurance would have gone up. bhp increases by 33% only problem is weight of car stays the same. Chipping will give better pulling power but does not give more weight and stability in the car for pulling anything heavier.

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Hi Giro,

      Where did you get your information on VAG clutches from?If you follow the forums such as Vortex you will read just the opposite. In fact the clutches are incapable of dealing with the torque from the standard 1. 8t and TDI engines due to it being designed for the 2ltr motor. This has reached the level of litigation in the USA. Check the site below and the Vortex forum.

 

Are you considering the earlier solid flywheel clutches before the introduction of the DMF?

 

http://www. dieselgeek. com/clutch. htm

 

Frank

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sorry was assuming that as they had the dual mass clutch as is also fitted to my

alfa 2. 4 jtd which do take 190 bhp and the torque that goes with it

[no complaints of clutch problems from the many 2. 4jtd's that have remaps done]

that theres should be upto it as well.

but have herd of them getting contaminated on VW's,but this would not be a fault

of the clutch itself.

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