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Looking for a good cheap tow car. Used to have a Duster 1.5 diesel which towed our little van nicely. Upgraded or so we thought to 1.6 petrol quasquai. We have found it struggles to tow. 

My question is, what do we look for? Ideas are 1.5 diesel Kadjar or 1.6 diesel Quashquai?

Can anyone help please? 

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  • WispMan changed the title to Suitable tow car ideas please

You could look at getting your car remapped, may do the trick at a cheap price. See the specialists in your area for advice.

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OP's caravan's MTPLM  is 1107kgs

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Remapped? Sorry but not heard of that. Fairly new to all the Talk. What does that mean? 

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9 minutes ago, KarenB1971 said:

Remapped? Sorry but not heard of that. Fairly new to all the Talk. What does that mean? 

Have a look HERE

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34 minutes ago, KarenB1971 said:

Remapped? Sorry but not heard of that. Fairly new to all the Talk. What does that mean? 

It's the re-programming of your electronic control unit. It can make a big difference in performance including an increase in torque power.  An long with better fuel consumption. There are two main types a plug in system and a electronic burn of your control unit. Best to go to a local specialist and they would advise, it's along way cheaper than changing your car. Please be aware you may have to inform your insurer.

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Petrol engines unless big, aren’t ideal for towing. My 2.0 CRV will happily tow 1500kg over mild terrain, but is less than enthusiastic on hilly terrain.

2.0 petrol - 150lb/ft, 2.2 Diesel - 350lb/feet

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Thank you all for your help. Definitely food for thought. 

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A remap will do very little, if anything for a naturally aspirated petrol engine.

 

I know opinions will be different for everyone, but you just can't beat a diesel for towing. The low down grunt is ideal for shifting weight.

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We have the 1.5 diesel Qashqai and it struggles a bit with our 1350kg van but it only has to manage until we get our new 2 litre Ateca.

the 1.6 diesel Qashqai on the other hand is a completely different animal and would pull our van easily but I think they may be a bit uncommon.

I would keep away from re mapping,  I mean since when has selling down tuned engines been a manufacturers selling point 

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I have had plenty of cars remapped and some manufacturers sell their own remapping software. My Volvo has Volvo’s own Polestar Engineered remap, SAAB used to sell an official warranted remap as did Vauxhall. I have had numerous cars mapped and run them to a very high mileage without a single problem relating to the remap. 

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There's always the doom and gloom merchants when re-mapping is mentioned.  But the manufacturers themselves have different outputs from the same engine.

A friend of mine had a new Discovery or Range Rover re-mapped by the supplying dealer, no problem.

The ideal is to have the re-map done sensibly, the problems arise when the boy racers do them to crazy amounts.  And it's advisable to inform your insurance company.

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At one time the equivalent of remapping was to bolt on twin carburettors. Lots of manufacturers did that too. 

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I think you already had a good cheap towcar, the duster. 

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If you want a smallish compact SUV a Skoda Yeti 2.0TDi 140PS/150PS/170PS will give you a maximum towing capacity of around 2100kg and a kerbweight around 1585kg.

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Yeti is a good call however what is your budget? 

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14 hours ago, Whomer said:

Petrol engines unless big, aren’t ideal for towing.

 

 

I'd change that to.

 

Smaller capacity Petrol engines unless turbo charged are not ideal for towing exactly the same as Diesel engines that are not turbo charged are not ideal for towing.

15 hours ago, KarenB1971 said:

Upgraded or so we thought to 1.6 petrol quasquai. 

 

 

I take it that's the earlier normally aspirated 1.6 and not the newer  Turbo 1.6 with 163PS

 

It it's the normally aspirated 1.6 115PS then a remap would be totally pointless.

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12 hours ago, Supatramp said:

There's always the doom and gloom merchants when re-mapping is mentioned.  But the manufacturers themselves have different outputs from the same engine.

I totally agree you need a proper place to do it and yes many manurfacturers use the same engine but mapped for more power in the same cars however often there is other changes ie bigger clutch or stronger gearbox brakes etc. My view is don't remap unless the manufacturer's will do it for you. 

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On 12/07/2021 at 19:51, Edde said:

I totally agree you need a proper place to do it and yes many manurfacturers use the same engine but mapped for more power in the same cars however often there is other changes ie bigger clutch or stronger gearbox brakes etc. My view is don't remap unless the manufacturer's will do it for you. 

 

For me it depends.

 

There are some good tuners, knowledgeable and reputable and there are forums with very knowledgeable members.  VAG, BMW, Merc, Ford etc there's all the information you could need,

 

There's also the man in a van who will give you mega power for a few hundred quid.

 

You now which you should avoid.

 

The information is out there if you have the time to research correctly.

 

You can save a lot of money, BMW did a ECU upgrade on the 1.6T 1 series that they charged £1750 for.  Reputable third parties would do the map for £399 . Out of warranty that's a lot of money to save.

 

Others like Ford offered the Mountune upgrades through the dealer network which were reasonable though.

 

You do really have to be careful but there are models that are safe and equally some that should not be mapped.

 

 

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A few years back I had. Motorhome on a 3 litre Fiat Ducati. The previous owner had invested in a remap from “ Wow Tuning” The M.H really flew, I just had to be careful not to “clog it” in too high a gear as the remap meant the low down torque was more than enough to produce clutch slip! Change down a gear (or two) and it was fine. The MPG was very good as well, in fact a lot better than a pal who had a lighter MH (Fiat based) with a smaller engine! He quickly had  his remapped and his MPG improved by a fair bit, he also reckoned it was a lot more “driveable”

 

Stay away from the “plug in” tuning boxes. They just send duff information all the time  to the ECU to fool it into delivering more fuel, whereas a proper remap adjusts all sorts of parameters such as boost pressure along with injection timing etc. 

Do your research, there are some very good remap companies out there (and there are some right cowboys as well) 

i have a sneaking suspicion that shortly, having a new vehicles engine remapped, will be able to be identified at MOT time, resulting in a failure. (It’s all down to emissions apparently and remapped engines sometimes kill more polar bears than standard ones do) 

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39 minutes ago, Mr Plodd said:

 

i have a sneaking suspicion that shortly, having a new vehicles engine remapped, will be able to be identified at MOT time, 

 

Most MOT stations don't have the tech to check the ECU's checksum and you'd really need the correct protocol and software for each manufacturer which the majority of MOT stations could not afford. To make remaps readily identifiable would need a change in the OBD2 standards.

 

But.......

 

Dealers can easily detect a remapped car and that will undoubtedly result in a void warranty unless it's approved.

 

Infact some manufactures like VAG and Ford now have auto systems and their software will auto flag if the ECU has been remapped, the mechanic doesn't even need to check.

Of course there's nothing to stop an insurance company checking the vehicle at a main dealer in the event of a claim.

 

 

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Now that manufacturers are adopting over the air software updates it is almost impossible to access the ECU from a computer.  Even the dealers are unable to access the mapping. Remapping days are numbered. However I disagree about tuning boxes. Yes, some are dangerous but many come from Germany and are TUV approved. They also enable removal for a service and avoid detection. 

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8 hours ago, Flatcoat888 said:

Even the dealers are unable to access the mapping. 

 

They don't need to for the majority of manufacturers now. The manufactures software is configured to check the checksum value during a standard service as soon as the dealer plugs in to do a standard scan come service time a remap will be flagged.

 

There are a few tuners who claim they can bypass CVN and keep the checksum the same but in the majority of cases they need to open the ecu so the factory seal is broken.

 

But yes remaps and tuning boxes will die out naturally. They only really improve the performance of turbo engines and as we move to NA hybrid and EV the market will naturally reduce. 

 

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Personally I think any 1.6 litre petrol engine may struggle with towing I use 2 litres and that works well enough but is still nowhere near the performance of a diesel. For your combination the diesel would be far better.

Remapping might work and be a cheaper option though but you would need one that gave a good uplift in torque, which is where petrol engines tend to come up short.

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