Jump to content

DVSA road safety checks this week end.


Recommended Posts

7 minutes ago, Mr Plodd said:

Formal training is, in a way, already in place due to the requirement for a B+E test but of course that’s only for combinations over 3500kg MGTW 

 

I would happily support formal training AND driving tests for everyone every ten years B) Fat chance of that happening though.

 

What is/was the  Freddie Hussey incident? 

 

Edit

 

Now found out about young Freddie Anyone unaware see here.

 

.

This is both to look at formal training, and mandatory vehicle testing.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Replies 95
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Posted Images

On 28/05/2021 at 08:34, Dave Capiro owner said:

Presumably they'll need a weighbridge, what's the legal position if someone refuses to be diverted?

 

I imagine if they genuinely believe you to be overloaded they have the power to seize your outfit, take it to a weigh bridge themselves and impound the outfit if overweight, then reporting you on summons to attend their local magistrates court. If you refuse to go to the weigh bridge then they may believe you will refuse to pay any ticket, so court summons would issued.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

21 minutes ago, JCCD said:

 

I imagine if they genuinely believe you to be overloaded they have the power to seize your outfit, take it to a weigh bridge themselves and impound the outfit if overweight, then reporting you on summons to attend their local magistrates court. If you refuse to go to the weigh bridge then they may believe you will refuse to pay any ticket, so court summons would issued.

Legal position, Failure to stop I suppose. As for weighbridge, it will be portable weight plates.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 27/05/2021 at 21:13, Wonkydonkey said:

Just seen on another forum that the DVSA will be out in force this week end checking vans and trailers. 

Good. Let's hope it has a positive and educational impact.

Fourwinds Hurricane 31D Motorhome. Also MGTF135 1. 8i Roadster (fun) & Volvo V70 3.2Ltr LPG (everyday car)
Unless otherwise stated, my posts will be my personal thoughts and have the same standing as any other member of Caravan and Motorhome Talk.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Towtug said:

There will be an article on the BBC news program this morning around the Freddie Hussey incident. They were filming with the DVSA Thursday and Friday.

They report 60% of small trailers with defects / infringements and 1 in 6 caravans.

 

Who thinks a site like this full of responsible users should put their weight behind the Freddie Hussey campaign for formal trailer testing?

Such a sad story behind this. 
Formal annual inspection seems a sound idea, but there will be costs. And that maybe the force that drives this out. 
Put the responsibility for proving compliance on the owners, and that will keep cost down. 

For caravans, proof of annual service by approved workshop should be all that is required. 
It’s the vast number of other trailers that will incur costs, as I doubt many get any formal or regular maintenance/ inspection. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

13 minutes ago, Gordon said:

Good. Let's hope it has a positive and educational impact.

I doubt very much that it will, look at all the educational info, radio, letters, posters, TV etc about how to keep both ourselves and others safe and alive during Covid ......................yet there are tens of thousands if not millions more who ignored it all, to the detriment of others.

 

Possibly a few vans who got pulled and penalised, some who passed OK and a few seeing what was going on may take more care in future, but they are a minute drop in the ocean of all trailers.

 

All the education and information in the world will never get rid of the " It won't happen to me " crowd, those who chose to blatantly ignore rules and those who go about anything without finding how things work, i.e. with vans, hitching, tyres, brakes towing vehicle.

 

No different to the police roadside spot checks often seen finding vehicles dangerous, untaxed, uninsured, no mot no driving licence, it will catch a few, deter a few, and that's it.

 

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

36 minutes ago, Gordon said:

Good. Let's hope it has a positive and educational impact.

That’s the idea, nobody wants to go looking for infringements. Engaging and Education is the way to promote change with enforcement as the last option.

 

1 hour ago, JCCD said:

 

I imagine if they genuinely believe you to be overloaded they have the power to seize your outfit, take it to a weigh bridge themselves and impound the outfit if overweight, then reporting you on summons to attend their local magistrates court. If you refuse to go to the weigh bridge then they may believe you will refuse to pay any ticket, so court summons would issued.

Portable calibrated weigh plates are used for smaller trailers, caravans etc. Mainly used when caravan used obviously overloaded. Not to give too much away but I’d doubt I would have seen anyone from these types of forums during my work week last week.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Towtug said:

Legal position, Failure to stop I suppose. As for weighbridge, it will be portable weight plates.

 

A Police Constable in uniform may stop any vehicle in motion on a road and check it’s (and the drivers) legality! They also have the legal power to direct it to a nearby weighbridge. If that weighbridge is over a certain distance away (cant remember the distance, I think it’s 5 miles)  and no offence re Weight is detected the driver can claim costs from the Police. 

 

Failing to stop is going to get a driver into a “situation” they won’t particularly like!

 

Think things like “Stinger” and  that’s gonna cost! Four tyres on the car and two on the caravan!! PLUS the fine for failing to stop :rolleyes:

 

 Not really worth it eh? 

Experience is something you acquire after you have an urgent need for it.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

17 minutes ago, Mr Plodd said:

 

A Police Constable in uniform may stop any vehicle in motion on a road and check it’s (and the drivers) legality! They also have the legal power to direct it to a nearby weighbridge. If that weighbridge is over a certain distance away (cant remember the distance, I think it’s 5 miles)  and no offence re Weight is detected the driver can claim costs from the Police. 

 

Failing to stop is going to get a driver into a “situation” they won’t particularly like!

 

Think things like “Stinger” and  that’s gonna cost! Four tyres on the car and two on the caravan!! PLUS the fine for failing to stop :rolleyes:

 

 Not really worth it eh? 

Finally a Correct answer. As long as following JPLANE when Justifying the need to stop. This is where some people get confused around DVSA powers to stop. Most areas the chief constable does not empower the DVSA with powers to stop “moving vehicles”. Not sure why as it would help police resources as RPU’s in most Force areas are a scarce resource. Failure to follow traffic directions/control of a PCSO in uniform is also an offence I believe under PRA 2002, and RTA amendments. Personally I’d probably steer away  from using a stinger on a car and trailer train.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I think most drivers would not accept anyone other than a uniformed police officer stopping them.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 28/05/2021 at 08:59, Legal Eagle said:

 Yesterday Staffordshire and Derbyshire ran a joint operation targeting caravans and other trailers using the A38 and A50. Apparently half of those stopped were committing offences. They haven't disclosed details of the offences detected.

 

Do you have any more information about this as I live about 3 miles from the A38/A50 junction (known locally as Toyota Island) as that's where their UK factory is - as well as a Covid testing centre in their car park.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Posted (edited)
15 minutes ago, DerbyClubman said:

 

Do you have any more information about this as I live about 3 miles from the A38/A50 junction (known locally as Toyota Island) as that's where their UK factory is - as well as a Covid testing centre in their car park.

Only what I posted - it was a joint operation  between Derbys. and Staffs. police along the A38 and A50 roads held on Thursday 27th. They reported it on Twitter as do most police forces after these events. It is part of a national enforcement programme. Essex Police and DVSA were at Boreham Services, Chelmsford on Friday pulling stuff off the A12.

Edited by Legal Eagle
Link to comment
Share on other sites

32 minutes ago, Legal Eagle said:

 They reported it on Twitter 

 

I have never looked at Twitter - perhaps in a week or two (or more!) the local paper will have something about it as that's where I get my local news . . . . . !

.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 28/05/2021 at 15:15, Mr Plodd said:

 

Just been on the radio.

 

DONT plan on stopping off at Taunton Deane services southbound, there’s no room due to the number of caravans that are being pulled in fir safety checks !!

We always use Taunton Deane on our way south. We called in there on 13th May, heading to Cornwall, and there was quite a presence of police vehicles and HGV checks going on. We pulled up behind a police car and popped off inside for a coffee - safe in the knowledge that our van was unlikely to be stolen at that time. When we came out another police car was parked behind us, guarding us perfectly lol. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Glen and Les said:

. We pulled up behind a police car and popped off inside for a coffee - safe in the knowledge that our van was unlikely to be stolen at that time. When we came out another police car was parked behind us, guarding us perfectly lol. 

Good batting thinkman!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

12 hours ago, Glen and Les said:

We always use Taunton Deane on our way south. We called in there on 13th May, heading to Cornwall, and there was quite a presence of police vehicles and HGV checks going on. We pulled up behind a police car and popped off inside for a coffee - safe in the knowledge that our van was unlikely to be stolen at that time. When we came out another police car was parked behind us, guarding us perfectly lol. 

 

Lucky the police car wasnt stolen.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, sureflow said:

 

Lucky the police car wasnt stolen.

 

Don't laugh, it has happened ! 

Experience is something you acquire after you have an urgent need for it.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Posted (edited)

As someone that has played with Vosa. what you find is that they have a fixed permanent base to work from . You will find them under junction 3 on the M5. Second island on the M50 Ross on Wye. Junction 11 M25, many service stations as well as lay-bys and so on. They pull in front of you and you wait for the dreaded rear window to light  up and scroll the words "follow me". They can translate that into any language so they can pull over our European friends too. Yes they can do portable stops as well and use mobile weight plates to check loads and axle weights. No one try's to ignore or out run Vosa to do so is  suicide. Your in a vehicle maxed out at 56mph, the police could chase you down with a mk2 escort panda van and win. Before you get to the next junction to pull off.. But that's commercial.

 

For Joe public the plod are always involved, legal reasons and all that a side. You find Joe public kick off more. I always find its a VOSA body doing the vehicle checks and Mr PC doing ANPR checks and filling the paperwork in.

 

I like everyone else that's been towing for a few centuries have seen just about every horror story going with Joe public being over loaded, badly loaded or towing unsafe caravans and trailers. Not just for holibob travels, but daily drivers too. Many times recently i have been over taken at high speeds and often see towing vehicles out in lane three or driving along a hard shoulder when they are not supposed too.

 

Bring it on i say, I welcome the VOSA/MR. PC doing their work on trailers and caravans and drivers.

 

Someone said they are maxed out at the service station waiting. I hope they realise that VOSA and Mr. PC does not give them free parking and after 3hrs they are also going to get parking fines as well from the service parking provider too if they have not paid for parking.

 

 

Edited by hedgerowpete
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I have two things to contribute.

1 A client who had on-board weighing on his lorry was pulled in by VOSA and asked to drive over their weigh plates. He was 250Kg overweight according to VOSA, his onboard system had him at 500Kg underweight. VOSA then had him drive over the plates in the opposite direction, he then came up at 150Kg underweight and was allowed to continue on his way with no penalty.

2 Our Ploughing Club had a Talk from VOSA regarding towing etc. In the Q&A session afterwards, the VOSA rep told us about the 'in carriageway' weighbridge system they had installed on the Birmingham motorway network. We asked about caravans, their response was that the police often had observers 'looking over their operative's shoulders' who would then use their radios to call up patrol cars to intercept 'vans that were over the limit!

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

It’s called “Weigh in motion” I don’t think it’s sensitive enough to weigh caravans accurately enough because it’s designed to weigh HGV axles which are 8/9 tonnes, but could give a reasonable indication to warrant a stop up the road. 

Experience is something you acquire after you have an urgent need for it.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

14 hours ago, sureflow said:

 

Lucky the police car wasnt stolen.

Lol - I suppose it wouldn’t be the first time. 😂

Link to comment
Share on other sites

It would be interesting to know though if this was actually a valuable use of police time and resources or just an easy win and money making scheme for the authorities, bare with me on this. 

 

I get there are lots of trailers out there overloaded and badly maintained however do these cause a disproportionate amount of accidents on the road? Would the police and highways agencies be better off actually policing the roads properly looking out for people speeding, hogging the middle lane, drink/drug driving, driving uninsured vehicles etc. If they see a trailer that looks iffy then yes they can be pulled over as well. I personally feel these spot checks are the authorities picking the low fruit and then shouting how good they are and how much safer they have made the roads when in reality there time would be much better spent doing other things.

 

Yes there have been very sad accidents with people overloading trailers etc but these are very few and far between. Just because the police have found a caravan 20% overloaded or with a bald tyre doesn't mean it's going to have an accident so issuing 100 fines does not mean the police have prevented 100 accidents.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Keep up the good work I say.

After reading the article which Mr Plodd put in, It just proves that more should be done.

Such a shame for the family.

I have snapped at least two break away cables forgetting to lift off the tow ball when on a site. Mistakes can and will happen. Both of my cars have removable towbar's but no way of securing the cable, It loops over the towball.

New bars at least have a loop on the back for this .

 

Do they not test caravans annually in the EU, Should this Idea be put in place here, Or would it not serve any purpose if you already have your caravan serviced.

I'm in favour of a MOT even if its only covers one day.

 

Will they stop those who use transit's which are not over 3.5kg gross with trailers longer than 7mtrs in body length.

Or perhaps they all will have Irish plates on still part of the EU, Which I believe is legal.

 

Maybe the 85% guide should become a law ?

Something needs to change for the families closure.

  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, german in the blood said:

 

 

Maybe the 85% guide should become a law ?

  

Don't get them started! 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Posted (edited)

There may be a form of trailer MOT in some parts of EUlandia however no one sur le continent has this absurd outdated UK weight ratio guidance. I have yet to see any conclusive objective evidence there are more accidents with (what would be by using the NCC recommendations) supposedly overweight outfits or caravans in other countries. I would guess The bald tyre, poor weight distribution, incorrect nose weight, badly maintained speeding outfit without towing mirrors is just as likely (if not more so) to contribute to an incident. 
The problem with mandatory annual servicing is how does that leave friends of mine who services his own caravan? He has all the equipement and expertise and if such a requirement was brought in the industry would not have capacity to meet demand. 

Edited by Flatcoat888
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Restore formatting

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share


×
×
  • Create New...