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The awning that came with the van we bought back in the summer is a starcamp cameo with steel poles, the awning is in great condition but  poles are steel and are very heavy, and at my age(70) I find them hard to manage,  I've seen a set of bradcot easy alloy poles and wondered if they would do the job, anyone out there tried it? Or any ideas. Thanks.

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We have carbon poles for our Isabella awning and they are a huge weight saving on traditional poles and much easier to manage. Carbon would be even lighter (but more expensive) than alloy but I don't know if they are available for Starcamp. No doubt alloy would be lighter than steel but I would definitely check the difference between them to make sure changing is worth the investment.

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if you can afford it , either sell or give the awning away and buy yourself a new  or second hand lighter one. It would make caravanning a lot easier, plus you would save on your payload.  We found from 70 years on we had to make a lot of compromises to allow us to carry on touring and getting a lighter porch awning was a main thing for us. 

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If it’s not suitable try to do a trade in for one you want I have done this in the past

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Ask yourself if you actually NEED an awning. It might save you a lot of hassle and cost. :)

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Thanks for the replies, we need an awning for a bit of space, it's only a small van(swift challenger 470) I think the fibre poles, maybe the way to go. Or dare I say it, an air awning.

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Glyn

Thinking along the same lines as yourself I bought an air awning.   I found it to be just as cumbersome and even heavier (size for size) than the canvas on my traditional full frame awning.  There are lighter ones but they tend to be less robust.    Also air awnings tend not to withstand windy weather as well as traditional.  No doubt there will be people who disagree but I have seen air awnings (especially if left unattended) collapse very quickly in a sudden squall. 

Google awning frames and you might be able to find some frames on sale.  There used to be a trader specialising in frames and if I can find the link I'll post it on here.  

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Thanks for the reply,  you right about the air awning, speaking to a couple down the road from me the other day, and they told me there air awning came down over night, so I will look for alloy or fibre.

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I’d look for a secondhand Isabella  Magnum or Ventura Marlin. Lightweight and simple to put up, top quality materials, the fibre/carbon pole system is the best on the market. 

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I am surprised to hear air awnings not as secure as poles type,I have had two good pole types and went over to air 2019 for extended Spanish holiday,far superior and withstood high winds no trouble.

easy to erect on my own,I’m 79.

 

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7 minutes ago, Pheasant said:

I am surprised to hear air awnings not as secure as poles type,I have had two good pole types and went over to air 2019 for extended Spanish holiday,far superior and withstood high winds no trouble.

easy to erect on my own,I’m 79.

 

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24 minutes ago, Pheasant said:

I am surprised to hear air awnings not as secure as poles type,I have had two good pole types and went over to air 2019 for extended Spanish holiday,far superior and withstood high winds no trouble.

easy to erect on my own,I’m 79.

 

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Have a look at the Sunncamp lightweight air awnings.  Compared with the heavy fabric air awnings they are really easy to get on the awning rail and with an electric pump can be fully erected in three minutes.  Still have to peg them out - but that applies to any awning! Not expensive, either and also easy to dry if it has to be packed away wet.  As for withstanding high winds - ours has been out in 50mph winds on more than one occasion and was absolutely fine.

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If an air awning "collapses", you blow it up again. I have never suffered that problem. If you think wind is going to be a big problem, just deflate it, and re-inflate it afterwards.

It a poled awning collapses, you are left with broken poles and possibly ripped fabric where the broken pole has cut the fabric.

 

Both types have their fans and opponents.

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1 hour ago, daveat92 said:

If an air awning "collapses", you blow it up again. I have never suffered that problem. If you think wind is going to be a big problem, just deflate it, and re-inflate it afterwards.

It a poled awning collapses, you are left with broken poles and possibly ripped fabric where the broken pole has cut the fabric.

 

Both types have their fans and opponents.

I have had an air awning collapse in high winds but it just sprang back up again when the gust passed.

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Hi Glyn j,

 

The Bradcot Easy Alloy frame will be much lighter but there is no guarantee it will fit into another manufacturers awning, most makes are not interchangeable with each other. Star Camp is imported by Dorema so you might want to contact them or one of their dealers to see if they do a lighter frame.

 

Air inflated Awnings are rarely lighter in weight, you are handling the awning and frame together. The inflation system within an air awning weighs almost as much as an aluminium frame would in a conventional awning. Our Modul-Air model allows for the removal of both the side and front panels which does reduce the handling weight by around 40% and, as it is a modular system, if you are wanting a "full" awning it can be erected in stages. Once the "Base" unit is erected the various extension units only weigh around 7 to 10 kg depending on the sizes you need.

 

If you are touring with an awning, Air is very much quicker and easier and will, in our experience, handle bad weather equally as well if not better than a conventional poled awning. You should though bear in mind that air inflated awnings like the tyres on your car do need to be monitored and sufficient pressure maintained. 

 

Hope this helps.

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Precisely Andy but that's what the forums about, surely?

Personal experience and advice offered for consideration - the recipient can choose to ignore or use it.

 

What I find annoying is the number of lengthy "expert" contradictory and often confusing statements - GVW etc being the classics.

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does anyone look in the forum section entitled Awnings  I wonder before posting a question about awnings. 

To be fair to the OP, he mentioned his age   and the fact that the second hand awning has steel poles and do we think he could change them for lighter ones.  My answer was to get rid of it and find something more suitable. 

 

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Before I ask any more questions I will try and find the answer within the forum, it's just at knowing where to look. 

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On 13/01/2021 at 22:09, Glyn j said:

The awning that came with the van we bought back in the summer is a starcamp cameo with steel poles, the awning is in great condition but  poles are steel and are very heavy, and at my age(70) I find them hard to manage,  I've seen a set of bradcot easy alloy poles and wondered if they would do the job, anyone out there tried it? Or any ideas. Thanks.

I have got the same awning.  I bought two extra awning bags.  I split the canvas between two and the poles between the other two.  The curtains go in yet another bag.  The collection of various sets of pegs go in a strong shopping type bag with a lump hammer and a peg puller etc.  That's heavy enough on it's own! This makes it all easier to manage weight wise.   As long as you keep it all together it works.

I wondered  about changing the frame too.  I think one from a similar Dorema would  probably fit but I didn't  get any further.

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On 18/01/2021 at 14:33, joanie said:

does anyone look in the forum section entitled Awnings  I wonder before posting a question about awnings. 

To be fair to the OP, he mentioned his age   and the fact that the second hand awning has steel poles and do we think he could change them for lighter ones.  My answer was to get rid of it and find something more suitable. 

 

Hi Joanie,

you asked in interesting question on the forum, just to let you know ; there have been over 2,700 views of the Awning section main page and 29,000 views across the whole section, all in the last three months. As well as this it is supported by Bradcot's, a very well respected awning manufacturer that take the time to answer your questions. Hope this helps, Kind Regards Jeff 

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1 hour ago, Jeff Green said:

Hi Joanie,

you asked in interesting question on the forum, just to let you know ; there have been over 2,700 views of the Awning section main page and 29,000 views across the whole section, all in the last three months. As well as this it is supported by Bradcot's, a very well respected awning manufacturer that take the time to answer your questions. Hope this helps, Kind Regards Jeff 

thanks Jeff,  it was a passing thought on my part, but it is interesting to know that people do view the different sections to try to find the answers. 

 

 

 

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I'm pretty certain the bradcot easy alloy will fit your awning, the only thing you may have to do is shorten the three bits that hold up the outside top valance along the front,  easily done by taking the hooks out and using a pipe cutter.

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With all due respect to Silversurfer I would not recommend you try and adapt the Bradcot Easy System by simply shortening the canopy stub pole. If you look at the picture attached you will note two things that make this inadvisable;

1. There is a triangular hole to locate the hook fitting. Shortening the pole will leave that hole in the wrong place and will then not locate the hook fitting.

2.  We use a hook coming out of the end of the pole to locate to the canvas. Starcamp/Dorema use a pin which leaves the pole at 90 degrees to attach the canvas.

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