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Comments on the Swift section regarding tyres prompted me to have a closer look at the tyres supplied by Bailey on my caravan - Pageant Series 6 Bordeaux

 

The tyres are 195/70R14-96N and the name is Trailermaxx and they are made in China.

 

The load index of 96 signifies a max tyre load of 710Kg and the speed rating N signifies a speed of 140km/hr or 87mph. So in theory, they are capable of carrying a caravan of 1420kg MTPLM at 87mph. My MTPLM is 1300Kg and I usually dont exceed 60mph so on the face of it there seems to be adequate margin.

 

Presumably to avoid stocking different sizes of tyre, Bailey fit the same size across the Pageant range so the Provence, Bretagne and Vendee, which have an MTPLM of 1420Kg, have the same tyre specification.

 

The Senator Vermont also has the same tyre specification with a MTPLM of 1392Kg

 

Has anyone had any experience with Chinese made Trailermaxx tyres, good or bad?

 

Should I be concerned or is anyone with a higher mass concerned?

 

Brian

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All I can say is that we have the same tyres on our 2005 Vendee and have done perhaps 5,000 miles towing - much of that on French autoroutes at up to 70mph. They don't lose any appreciable pressure, and I had a good look at them on our return from France this year and they looked fine - no bulges or cracks, and the tread depth was excellent. So far I'm quite happy.

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Hi

 

Mines a series 5 Bordeaux with an MTPLM of 1360 kgs so I'm nearer the 1420 than you.

 

Bailey will also allow you to replate a Pageant up to 1400kgs on the same tyres.

 

In my opinion they show scant regard for the 10% safety factor on the load index.

 

The weights and towing speeds are indeed in your favour but don't get complacent. Keep a regular check on them.

 

If you check your car tyres load index and compare the actual normal weight of the car when you're travelling (I'm assuming like me you're not often fully loaded up to the car manufacturers max.) i suspect you'll see quite a difference in safety factor.

 

In my opinion Caravans almost always travel at, near or over the MTPLM (except those with enormous payloads)

 

Lunar

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Most products made in China are made to the same high standards as anywhere else in the world but there have been some instances of tyres, and toys!, which fail UK and European standards.

 

The current tyres on my car, Goodyear Excellence, are made in China and none the worse for it - so is my laptop and my HD tv.

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Hi Brian I again.

 

Ignore my last post and read Rob_Jax's post on the Swift Tyres thread.

 

The gist of it is that in germany caravans must have a 10% safety factor on the load index plus a speed rating of 130 mph as well as shock absorbers. And they have a 62mph speed limit for caravans. They also need a 2 yearly MOT to be allowed to travel at that speed.

 

Compare Baileys, Swift et al safety factors with that!

 

Lunar

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All I can say is that we have the same tyres on our 2005 Vendee and have done perhaps 5,000 miles towing - much of that on French autoroutes at up to 70mph. They don't lose any appreciable pressure, and I had a good look at them on our return from France this year and they looked fine - no bulges or cracks, and the tread depth was excellent. So far I'm quite happy.

thanks for that Ian, makes me sleep a little easier

Ignore my last post and read Rob_Jax's post on the Swift Tyres thread.

 

The gist of it is that in germany caravans must have a 10% safety factor on the load index plus a speed rating of 130 mph as well as shock absorbers. And they have a 62mph speed limit for caravans. They also need a 2 yearly MOT to be allowed to travel at that speed.

 

Compare Baileys, Swift et al safety factors with that!

 

Lunar

Rob Jax's post prompted me to have a look at mine and have just had a look at his subsequent posts. I almost manage a 10% load margin on my tyres at the full MTPLM, which it never is, and I do have shock aborbers so I think thats the best I can get at the moment.

Shock absorbers are not expensive and the Al-Ko chassis is predrilled for them so it is just a matter of bolting them on. They certainly seem to make a difference and reduce the tendency for items in the caravan to bounce around.

 

Brian

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Hi Brian

 

We had Trailermaxx tyres fitted to our 2003 Bordeaux until. ...we run over some debris on the M25 which hit the motor movers against the tyres (unbeknown to us). We carried on oblivious until we stopped at services on the M4.

 

The tread on one tyre was completely stripped and the other tyres' tread had about half missing. Cant fault the tyres for standing up to the punishment so in my view, there's nothing to worry about.

 

Hope that helps put your mind at ease!

 

(Might have been all the lead in the tyres that made them so durable!)

 

Yossa

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there have been a few threads re tyres recently, and some of them seem to be summarised along the lines of fit premium branded tyres.

 

I've not had the usual suspects fitted to a car for a while now, Kumho's at the moment, before this yokohama, toyo's etc. I've no problems running the trailermaxx tyres as fitted, van is only 2 1/2 years old but recently completed 5th trip to france, plus all UK trips, wouldn't like to hazard a guess on miles covered but must be approaching 10,000 miles - certainly van did 1800 miles this summer, 1200 miles easter, similar mileages last year.

 

Pressures always hold well, I didn't have to put any air in before the summer trip, bith tyres at 42 psi, checked after 2 weeks on site, again 42 psi. No cracks, tread intact. In fact i tried to get a trailermaxx for the spare wheel, but the local independent tyre dpeot couldn;t get them, so maybe they are an OEM type of fitment. Wouldn;t have a worry fitting them again, the only advantage of the tyre on the spare is a better laod rating.

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High mileage caused by plenty of use is not the problem, that keeps the tyre supple and more able to withstand the loads it's designed for, it's the lack of use that leads to to problems associated with caravan tyres while their still subjected to the elements doing nothing.

 

Perhaps a tyre can be compared to the body, (certainly as it gets older), imagine sitting down doing nothing for a week and then getting up and pressing heavy weights in the gym?

 

I doubt your muscles would not complain so how would you expect a tyre to react after months of inactivity and then 60mph+??

 

That to my mind is why 'bonus loads' are frowned upon today and 10% taken of the stated maximum load is the sound advice from the BRMA/BTMA.

If we consider tyres from China or any other 'lowly' source are somehow inferior, then the above advice is doubly important

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If we consider tyres from China or any other 'lowly' source are somehow inferior

 

It's not the country of manufacture that's important, it's the country of design. Honda Jazz cars are built to the same high standard, whether built in Japan, England or China - yes, it's already in production there.

 

My car is currently running on Goodyear Excellence made in China which are just as good as the previous Goodyear NCT5 made in South Africa and the OE fitment of Michelin XH1 made in Germany!

 

China is already producing much of the world's electronic components, many fitted in safety critical applications.

 

Apart from one faulty batch of Hankook tyres a few years back, there's nothing to suggest that far eastern tyres are inferior.

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Comments on the Swift section regarding tyres prompted me to have a closer look at the tyres supplied by Bailey on my caravan - Pageant Series 6 Bordeaux

 

The tyres are 195/70R14-96N and the name is Trailermaxx and they are made in China.

 

The load index of 96 signifies a max tyre load of 710Kg and the speed rating N signifies a speed of 140km/hr or 87mph. So in theory, they are capable of carrying a caravan of 1420kg MTPLM at 87mph. My MTPLM is 1300Kg and I usually dont exceed 60mph so on the face of it there seems to be adequate margin.

 

Presumably to avoid stocking different sizes of tyre, Bailey fit the same size across the Pageant range so the Provence, Bretagne and Vendee, which have an MTPLM of 1420Kg, have the same tyre specification.

 

The Senator Vermont also has the same tyre specification with a MTPLM of 1392Kg

 

Has anyone had any experience with Chinese made Trailermaxx tyres, good or bad?

 

Should I be concerned or is anyone with a higher mass concerned?

 

Brian

Hi,

 

Bailey and other caravan manufactureres may fit the same tyre on numerous caravans, but the tyre pressure will be different. The higher the load, the higher the pressure, usually.

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It's not the country of manufacture that's important, it's the country of design. Honda Jazz cars are built to the same high standard, whether built in Japan, England or China - yes, it's already in production there.

 

My car is currently running on Goodyear Excellence made in China which are just as good as the previous Goodyear NCT5 made in South Africa and the OE fitment of Michelin XH1 made in Germany!

 

China is already producing much of the world's electronic components, many fitted in safety critical applications.

 

Apart from one faulty batch of Hankook tyres a few years back, there's nothing to suggest that far eastern tyres are inferior.

 

Totally agree Roger, I was asking the question rather than stating a fact

As a matter of fact though, China are happily responsible for producing many of cars safety critical systems such as the steering for instance, only difference is the 'Made in China' label is not so evident.

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Hi All

 

At the end of the day I don't mind where my tyres are manufactured as long as they meet European Regulations for construction etc. (which they must to be on sale here) but I do care greatly for adequate safety margins.

 

I think from Rob_Jax's posts that Germany are certainly leading the way in this area.

 

Lunar

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The only issue is replacement. None of my seraches provided a similar size 6 ply tyre after a blow out and I needed to order a new spare from Bailey and wait 5 days (cost £70).

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The only issue is replacement. None of my seraches provided a similar size 6 ply tyre after a blow out and I needed to order a new spare from Bailey and wait 5 days (cost £70).

You don't say what size you need but:-

 

195/70 14 95S Bridgestone SF226 @ £51 and 195/70 14 96S Matador MP42 @ £38 are available from My Tyres. Fitting, valve, balance and disposal NOT included so add another £10-12 each for that.

 

http://ssl. delti. com/mytires/start. html

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Hi All,

 

Our S5 Pageant Bodeaux, loaded to approx 1400kgs, has been towed for thousands of miles with no tyre issues,

 

Regards,

Ian.

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Hi 

i have a phoenix 644 and the tyre rating is a max of around 800KG . the caravan itself is already heavier than that rating. 

This is a single axis caravan and I am trying to understand how caravans are fitted with tyres that are not the correct specification for the weight they carry ?

 

Any explanation would be great thanks !

 

 

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1 hour ago, Fritz said:

Hi 

i have a phoenix 644 and the tyre rating is a max of around 800KG . the caravan itself is already heavier than that rating. 

This is a single axis caravan and I am trying to understand how caravans are fitted with tyres that are not the correct specification for the weight they carry ?

 

Any explanation would be great thanks !

 

 

The rating is per tyre and your Bailey's max weight is much lover than 1600kg

 

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Each tyre can support up to 800kg - so a total of 1600 kg for the vehicle.

 

Phoenix 644 is MTPLM of 1381 kg add 10% to give a good safety margin on the load, so 1520 kg is still well within the tyre rating.

 

https://www.tyresafe.org/tyre-safety/caravan-tyre-safety/load-and-inflation-tables/ has a pdf leaflet that is probably worth reading?

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My 2014 Pegasus came with Michelin s on it. Last year I noticed small cracks appearing in the sidewalls , no drop in pressure but getting more noticeable. I haven't replaced them yet but will keep a watch on them. I passed a Warrant of fitness ( MOT ) last March OK. Not to impressed with the so called Premium three though. In 1982 I sold some used Dunlop M&S  tyres from my Escort RS1800 Rally car to a friend , He put them on a car for a while then transferred them to his farm trailer. He still has them on the trailer and tells me they never loose pressure or have any cracks ????? 38 years old !! So much for the replacing at 5 yrs!

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Tbh on caravans I prefer Trailermax .. They'll easily last the six years if the wheels are covered .. 

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