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Hi folks,

 

Bought a caravan couple of months ago from a chap on ebay. Caravan was in storage at pe67sa and he was claiming it's a private sale etc. No warranty no returns. Caravan of course not as described with damp. No refund or return. After some ebay investigation 'I've found out that he is actually selling caravans under over 30 different nicknames to avoid tax or accept returns. He either drives 17 plate Seat Alhambra or 06 saab estate. His name is Janusz W and he has a mate that helps him too. Nicknames they operate under - agso_14, agsok, alde-7899, aldud_0, anno.2012, anslo64, anya250314, dud-nicol, j.w.boss, jan.boss, jano1337, john.dad, jul_1135, kietjone-0, kowa-alek, mamatul_0, marian10261, mds1413, nikinati1, oscar-garden, paulm8266, trifin_28, premsamie, urabu62, wiode_0.

 

I've informed HMRC and trading standards, but I think all should be aware of this practice to avoid hassle.

 

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Bobster

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I think police won't do much - too busy with Covid ;-).  May need to call 101 and report it to a Local Crime Reduction Officer as one of my mates did about rogue trader. Will try ebay and see what they say, but most likely "we get the fees, we all good" lmao.

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I saw an advert on Facebook Marketplace recently, the guy selling it said it had recently been traded in at the dealership that he worked at.
So I asked if he was selling it as a trader and what dealership he was representing, and if it was a trade deal what warranty was included.  No reply to my enquiries, I wonder why  ;) 

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Peterborough does seem to be ebay caravan seller central for sellers that have odd sounding user names often with z in them. The wording in the listing is often a bit “pidgin” as well.

 

All they are doing is buying & selling caravans. It is buyer beware for any caravan sold on eBay. You bid to buy but if it is not as described by seller ie damp when described as dry you can walk away. You need to check it carefully before paying & walk away if it is rubbish.

 

I sold my old caravan on eBay to a Polish bloke from Peterborough. No complaints. I got more than I expected. He arrived promptly after sale & paid bid price in cash.

 

Of course they are duckers & divers trying to make a living buying cheap & turning a coin. You know  that as soon as you see the listing.  Odd sounding user name & caravan in a storage compound in Peterborough. The eBay pictures will have been taken in sunshine with caravan standing in a grass field.

 

Yes it is fairly obvious they are dodgy sellers but plenty will have bought caravans off owners who have owned them & loved them for years & they still have been a pile of kack. That is why they are getting shut of caravan.

 

Sorry the op got ripped off but he bought a caravan from a private seller off eBay. Nothing to do with seller who could have been anybody. The same rule apply always. Before paying ensure caravan is as described & is the buyer’s to sell ie not stolen.

 

Sorry but there is zero chance these sellers will cease & desist. While there is eBay & other internet sales platforms there will always be dodgy sellers because of  lax UK law around private sales. Look at the laws in other European countries about selling secondhand goods which is why they conduct their dodgy businesses here & not France or Germany for example.

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Yes mate, but sometimes you travel couple hundred of miles and you discover damp later on. The whole point here is that this guy is clearly rogue trading.  How would you explain over 30 ebay accounts? It took me 2 months to observe all of them. He has some negative feedbacks for caravans sold. His actions are clearly to avoid any responsibility for things he is selling !!! He is also avoiding paying taxes or giving you any sort of warranty. This post is to warn people of such chavs. Laurent, if you think that sort of dealing is okay, then all the dealers should start working that way.  I've reported him already. He is simply misleading potential buyers !!! That sort of behaviour should be penalised.

 

One more thing - you, as a private seller, may not be fully aware of hidden issues with your vehicle/caravan etc since this may not be your spectrum or simply you don't specialize in it. Him, who is flipping loads of caravans on regular basis and trading as a matter of fact, is fully aware of any issues with them on the basis that he is specializing in it.

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Been going on for years in the car trade.  It is just that the inflated caravan prices at the moment, make it quite lucrative to these types.  They have no specialist trade skill in vans, it is just whatever they can turn the easiest and most effective profit on.  Caravans are easier for them as they do not need MOT's like the cars do, must be like Christmas has come early for them.  Buyers definitely be aware.

Peterborough is probably a hotbed for this, for obvious reason.

 

 

7 hours ago, Bobster2000 said:

Hi folks,

 

Bought a caravan couple of months ago from a chap on ebay. Caravan was in storage at pe67sa and he was claiming it's a private sale etc. No warranty no returns. Caravan of course not as described with damp. No refund or return. After some ebay investigation 'I've found out that he is actually selling caravans under over 30 different nicknames to avoid tax or accept returns. He either drives 17 plate Seat Alhambra or 06 saab estate. His name is Janusz W and he has a mate that helps him too. Nicknames they operate under - agso_14, agsok, alde-7899, aldud_0, anno.2012, anslo64, anya250314, dud-nicol, j.w.boss, jan.boss, jano1337, john.dad, jul_1135, kietjone-0, kowa-alek, mamatul_0, marian10261, mds1413, nikinati1, oscar-garden, paulm8266, trifin_28, premsamie, urabu62, wiode_0.

 

I've informed HMRC and trading standards, but I think all should be aware of this practice to avoid hassle.

 

Cheers

Bobster

 

 

@Bobster2000, was it a grey Saab estate by an chance ?

 

 

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Well what a coincidence..  A facebook post from someone posted on our village page said 2 "characters"  had just stolen their parents van in broad daylight from their drive.  This was from Sandy in Bedfordshire.  Guess what, a 06 Grey Saab Estate.  Just down the A1 from Peterborough.  What are the chances hey ?

I think the van was recovered, but dont think they caught the scumbags.

 

Neighbours saw them doing it and were phoning the Police while these 2 were waving and threatening them with crow bars.  They need stopping.  

 

 

"PLEASE SHARE.. these scum bags stole my mum and dads caravan in pure day light off of their drive this afternoon in Sandy Bedfordshire. At first they knocked on the front door with a ‘fake’ parcel to check if anyone was in. They then looked in the property through the windows and then stole the caravan. You can even see the scum bag waving at my poor mums neighbours as they watched on (whilst calling the police). The police were amazing and later on found the caravan but it has been damaged. PLEASE STAY ALERT AND BE CAREFUL.. there were reports before this of them being in people’s back gardens asking if they wanted jet washing done!! Let’s hope they get caught!! 😡😤"

 


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If you want me to try and put you in contact with the lady whose parents van was stolen.  Message me privately.  But, on the face of it, the Police may be interested.

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It may be them actually. Besides, never seen a traveller driving 06 saab lmfao so chances are high. I wonder how many vans are not even checked with basic 15quid CRiS check and sold to unaware customers. Where in fact they could be stolen.  Reg of their Saab was KF06 UTT - nothing goes missing when it goes in the net.

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If this thread is to do good it might advise anybody buying of eBay to stick will sales by owners ie who have owned & used caravan for years & not resellers who buy & sell. The listings by dodgy traders are fairly easy to spot by odd user names. Poorly spelt listings & the photos. Often photos show caravan obviously on residential site or towed into a field still behind car when pictures are taken.

 

Anybody wanting to buy off eBay needs to look extensively at caravan listings & use common sense. Also avoid turning up at remote locations with large amounts of cash in pocket. Caravan may not exist at all & you might get mugged. It has happened. If it looks to good to be true it probably is.

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8 hours ago, Bobster2000 said:

I think police won't do much - too busy with Covid ;-).  May need to call 101 and report it to a Local Crime Reduction Officer as one of my mates did about rogue trader. Will try ebay and see what they say, but most likely "we get the fees, we all good" lmao.

You can report it online, or by phone, to Action Fraud. Technically it is fraud by misrepresentation so should be reported for follow up.  

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fwiw ....

A sorry & sad tale above - buyer beware always (inc from some dealers !).

Have sold privately (and purchased under similar criteria) many personally owned cars & a Caravan from my home address(s) to genuine buyers over many years.

All docs (V5 & CRiS) & also receipts registered or stated to my home address where viewed.

Folder full of receipts & docs & original purchase invoice(s) to view & Inspections always invited.

Nothing to hide but always 'sold as seen tried & approved', any issues discussed prior, & hence less than forecourt & p/x prices suits both of us.

Cash or cleared funds prior to collection or discussed. Proof of purchasers ID details photocopied and time of  collection on receipt (speed camera ticket avoided on one car 20 mins after collection !).

Maybe me & the buyers so far have been just lucky ??  Have declined or talked off quite a few 'buyers' & sellers.

NB Rogue Traders exist in most fields of business.

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If one thinks they have got a good caravan being sold on Ebay and good seller would it be best to use PayPal?

I'm sure these guys mentioned would not want anything but cash.

Regards, David
Ford Kuga ST line 2ltr. Diesel 2017,  Bailey Pursuit 11 400/2 2018, Emove em303 motor mover, Hyundai 1000i Generator.

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I am selling our caravan at the moment and have had 2 people offer to pay by Paypal, without even being here to see it.  Paypal is not safe for the seller.  There are too many hacked accounts and false ones.  Paypal issue a chargeback afterwards, you lose your money and your goods are gone..

 

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PayPal is fine. I've sold in excess of £130k without any PP problems. 

BUT don't use PP on Collection only items like caravans. You have no proof of postage! Buyer opens up Item Not Received and gets his PP money back. 

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Sorry to hear of the problem here. This is fairly common with almost anything on e bay and other sales forums. Frankly if you do not know enough about caravans to fully check out any for sale you should avoid private sales. The chances of being fleeced are simply too high for me to suggest anything else. If you do not know what to look for you are potentially walking into serious trouble.
You should never pay over cash prior to seeing and checking the caravan and particularly doing a damp check. Never see it anywhere other than the sellers private address, make sure you get proof that the seller owns it everything that works does work and it has a clear CRiS check. If using e bay then pay through Paypal. It is not perfect, but it has some protection, people trying to avoid that are a warning sign.

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4 hours ago, Bobster2000 said:

It may be them actually. Besides, never seen a traveller driving 06 saab lmfao so chances are high. I wonder how many vans are not even checked with basic 15quid CRiS check and sold to unaware customers. Where in fact they could be stolen.  Reg of their Saab was KF06 UTT - nothing goes missing when it goes in the net.

The Saab estate in the above photos looks like a 9-5 estate yet the number plate you quote comes back as a 9-3 estate on the MOT and askmid websites. So possibly the car has false plates on or whoever noted the registration got it a bit wrong. Somebody stealing caravans though is unlikely to be using plates that could be traced to them. Both cars are silver though in the photo and checks but it has been said one was grey.

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Oh Dear , I can’t tell you what I did when my caravan was stolen as the post was removed I let’s just say fought fire with 🔥 and recovered my van .
 

when will people realise that leaving your caravan on the drive is open invite to thieves , also when it’s not on the drive people know you are away and break in potential ,

 

the delivery driver trick is a classic , these guys just cruise around areas. 

 

Ebay,  anything like mobile plant , caravans , a high proportion are fake or stolen . Not the majority but a high proportion . Don’t be a mug don’t trust anyone’s story of the van , so many adverts written by illiterate fools 

 

4 birth caravan ....... umm 

 

look at the fraud going on in UK furlough you name it , we must all stick together and help each other 

 

Good Post Bob 👍
 

 

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I've had a few travellers knock on my door asking if my trailer is for sale. Of course it's only an excuse to check if I'm at home and have a closer look at my security.  I have cameras all over the place and two locks on my trailer. of course it won't stop a determined thief wearing a hood but touch wood nothings happened so far. 

 

I saw a caravan on Facebook marketplace last month. It was stored in a caravan park in Edinburgh. The seller then began to tell me the caravan was his mates but he was in hospital and he travelled around caravan parks doing odd jobs for the owners. he told me his mate had bought the caravan from a dealer but the next day in a text told me he bought it from an online auction. When he lied about that I wondered what else he lied about.

 

He may have been genuine but there were too many red flags for me so I looked elsewhere. 

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Exactly Laurent. PayPal and ebay will wash their hands when it comes to motors etc.

Buying on ebay is tempting. You see photos etc, look from home, but not always safe. Luckily the van I got was around 3k only.

 

I think government or police should do more in terms of caravan safety and thefts. Logbooks should be mandatory. CRiS isn't simply enough. This may stop some dodgy no-name dealers. I was in car trade for a while around 10 years ago. I had to pay trade insurance, trade plates, keep my books up to date, update MID etc. Should be same with caravans. It would stop people like that Janusz W. to mess up the market. Everywhere else in Europe caravans do need insurance, logbook registration and MOT. Could be every 2 years here - like german TUV. This would give some sort of peace of mind to potential buyers.

What I forgot to mention in my first post - him having over 30 ebay accounts, allows him to bid on his own caravans without ebay spotting it. Ebay would not acknowledge that, but there was a pattern in bids there.

 

 

 

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Yes schill bidding has always been an issue. Difficult for eBay to control. It is quite easy to get through to a human if you have a complaint but unfortunately that human is in the Philippines so zero understanding of the UK caravan market or anything UK so they often do not get the gist of your complaint & you get the usual standard answers.

 

The “Peterborough sellers”  often sell on 3 day auctions which always attract plenty of bids so make of that what you will.

 

Another annoying thing is often the first page of caravan listings in morning is obvious scams ie send money we deliver non existent caravan later. 
 

Yes it is a jungle but you can find caravans from genuine sellers. In the end buying off eBay is no different from buying from an ad in your local shop. Do the checks before handing over money.

 

Thanks for posting this thread though because anybody reading will be informed which is always good.

 

As for Dvla registration of caravans which can cost more than cars & Mot seeming sensible as well I have always been in favour but try posting that on a forum & the reception even from owners of £20oddK caravans is invariably lukewarm.

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