gtepete Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 (edited) Driver escaped with minor injuries.....Could he have regained control in any way? Edited August 29, 2020 by gtepete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 It really demonstrates how little “thinking time” you can get. Ignoring any influencing factors that went from twitch to calamity very quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggiePerrin Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 It was over a year ago... See here Quote Devon and Cornwall Police confirmed that one occupant of the vehicle has suffered a minor head injury. Despite being asked, the force did not provide any information on whether anyone had been arrested or charged. Quote This post is not intended to suggest you are pedantic or that you shouldn't ever post again. It is not retaliatory in its intent and I apologise for any offence it may give rise to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosnibora Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 (edited) These things happen, what speed was you doing? I assume you stopped to help so you would know if anybody was hurt, by the look of the impact on the barrier, they would be very lucky not to have sustained serious injuries. Sorry Reggie crossed post Edited August 29, 2020 by nosnibora Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swirly182 Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 Seen this before. This goes to show even a big 4x4 with a medium size van isn't bombproof if you drive like a fool. Quote 2018 Octavia vRS 245 TSI Estate & 2016 Adria Altea 552 DT Tamar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silversurf Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 (edited) At a guess,the video was taken from a truck doing about 50, the van and 4x4 was overtaking at about 60, like some do, and the van got a bit of a slight wag on whilst alongside the truck, you can see the start of it just as the caravan comes into view, 4 seconds later it is totally uncontrollable . Not much you can do in 4 seconds at approx. 60 mph ? The only saving grace is that it was quiet on the road, the 4x4 going over the Armco and landing in the opposite carriageway, as it did, on a busy day with both lanes lull of 60 + mph traffic could have been far worse. It happened on the A380 near Newton Abbot. Oops,I've just spotted the link on Reggies post that gives the full story. ? Edited August 29, 2020 by Silversurf Quote Common sense isn't a gift, it's a punishment because you have to deal with everyone who doesn't have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosnibora Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 Sorry "getpete" thought it was taken by you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Plodd Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 Regardless of the age of the video it makes for very sobering viewing doesn’t it? It looks like a fairly new caravan so I would have thought it had ATC! Looking at the video my guess would be that, because it’s a virtually empty bit of dual carriageway the truck would be on its limiter (90kph or 56mph) There is a fairly substantial speed differential between the (56mph) truck and the overtaking 4x4. We all know that trucks produce a “bow wave” of air and the last part of the rig to be effected by this ones is the section behind the caravan axle. That would push the front of the caravan out to its right and then, very quickly, the back of the caravan to its right for a brief moment, it would then “snap” back as soon as it passed the bow wave. Momentum did the rest! Moral of this video?? Keep your speed down !!! 2 Quote Experience is something you acquire after you have an urgent need for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin h Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 Now i realise you are not supposed to brake when you detect a weave but does the ATC light up a brake light? I can't see any brake lights come on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vin Blanc Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 In addition to Mr Plodd's post, my guess would be a badly balanced caravan i.e. more weight behind the caravan axle than in front. A well balanced van would normally straighten itself back into line Even a stabiliser (if fitted) can only do so much! - Expensive lesson! Vin Blanc 3 Quote It is sometimes better to say nothing and be thought a fool, than to speak out and have it proven! Frontera 3. 2L V6 4x4 tugging Compass Magnum Classic 540 (quite easily!) Tripod mounted 57cm "Arcon Multi" prime focus dish - Humax Foxsat HD Recorder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggiePerrin Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, colin h said: Now i realise you are not supposed to brake when you detect a weave but does the ATC light up a brake light? I can't see any brake lights come on here. No, it doesn’t. Quote This post is not intended to suggest you are pedantic or that you shouldn't ever post again. It is not retaliatory in its intent and I apologise for any offence it may give rise to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutz Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 At the first indication of a weave, he should have aborted the overtaking manoeuvre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildwood Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 I tend to go along with Mr Plod in that speed was the main factor but bad loading could also be involved. I do wonder at the number of caravans I see weaving about when be towed at speed and the sanity of the drivers involved. Some time back we were overtaken on the M6 near Carlisle by a car towing a big Hobby going at a speed well over 60 and he got into a similar problem when overtaking a lorry ahead of us. Luckily he did manage to control it but I am not sure how and he slowed down for a bit before shooting off again, presumably to change his trousers at the next services. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johntog Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 Time and time again I've seen car/caravan combos, invariably with a 4x4 upfront towing a largish van, with a burning need to overtake a lorry which is doing almost the 60mph we're meant to keep to. It's best and safer to wait for a slight uphill gradient to overtake a lorry if you need to, as long as you have the power to do it, without exceeding 60. Uphill gradients are far less likely to induce a snake as long as your weight distribution and nose weight are as they should be. I don't overtake going downhill and don't feel the need for speed. John 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Mr Plodd said: Moral of this video?? Keep your speed down !!! But only when overtaking high sided lorries, the rest of the time...... Now if he had been carrying bikes on a rear mounted rack then some would be pointing to that being the cause. As it is, the bike weren't needed as all the ingredients were already there for the snake to happen. Thankfully no bikes were harmed in the making of that video Edited August 29, 2020 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swirly182 Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 Anyone notice the little dog walking around at the end? Poor thing. I saw this video even before I started towing a caravan and I still always think about it when passing wagons. Quote 2018 Octavia vRS 245 TSI Estate & 2016 Adria Altea 552 DT Tamar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevan Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 5 hours ago, Lutz said: At the first indication of a weave, he should have aborted the overtaking manoeuvre. Easy to say, but "the first indication of a weave" would likely have been as the rear of the caravan was hit by the bow wave of the HGV, far too late to abort the manoeuvre! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 48 minutes ago, swirly182 said: Anyone notice the little dog walking around at the end? Poor thing. The dog probably caused the crash! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Plodd Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 7 hours ago, colin h said: Now i realise you are not supposed to brake when you detect a weave but does the ATC light up a brake light? I can't see any brake lights come on here. ATC only operates the caravans brakes, it’s the towing vehicle that the brake lights operate from. I addition ATC only applies the caravans brakes for a second or two, so the speed isn’t reduced by very much at all, what it does do is pull the whole outfit straight. Quote Experience is something you acquire after you have an urgent need for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 On 29/08/2020 at 10:38, gtepete said: Driver escaped with minor injuries.....Could he have regained control in any way? Possibly not have regained control, but certainly a little forethought may have prevented it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalH Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 On 29/08/2020 at 12:01, johntog said:I don't overtake going downhill and don't feel the need for speed. Indeed. The A55 at Rhuallt is notorious for caravan mishaps on the westbound carriageway for this very reason. Warning signs are regularly ignored. Possibly by the same people who think Covid won't affect them ? Quote Nissan X-Trail Tekna + Coachman Festival 450 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DACS Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 1 hour ago, MalH said: Indeed. The A55 at Rhuallt is notorious for caravan mishaps on the westbound carriageway for this very reason. Warning signs are regularly ignored. Possibly by the same people who think Covid won't affect them ? To be fair, the signs are hard to spot. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtepete Posted August 30, 2020 Author Share Posted August 30, 2020 On 29/08/2020 at 16:33, swirly182 said: Anyone notice the little dog walking around at the end? Poor thing. I saw this video even before I started towing a caravan and I still always think about it when passing wagons. Well spotted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silversurf Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 3 hours ago, MalH said: Indeed. The A55 at Rhuallt is notorious for caravan mishaps on the westbound carriageway for this very reason. Warning signs are regularly ignored. Possibly by the same people who think Covid won't affect them ? The old road was the? same, plenty of signs but always lots of tyre and sump tracks in the emergency run off gravel pit. Quote Common sense isn't a gift, it's a punishment because you have to deal with everyone who doesn't have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtepete Posted August 31, 2020 Author Share Posted August 31, 2020 Another incident......rearend https://www.newsflare.com/video/216076/crime-accidents/truck-completely-demolishes-caravan-in-collision-on-uk-motorway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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