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7 hours ago, Oscarmax said:

Been past the CL in our village they have got motorhomes on site

 

This is illegal as the clubs have suspended all CL certificates

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43 minutes ago, MalH said:

 

This is illegal as the clubs have suspended all CL certificates

 

Or is it ?

 

I doubt it, it may be against CL rules but how is that  illegal and what law would be broken?

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The club does not own them.

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They may be in breach of Planning Permission Regulations if their Certificate has been withdrawn. They will also be in breach of the Caravan Sites and Control Development Act as explained in the links below.

 

Copied below from the Camping Club

https://www.campingandcaravanningclub.co.uk/UKCS/smallsites/setting-up-a-certificated-site/

 

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We hold special exemptions from Natural England to establish small caravan and camping sites for our members, meaning that you won’t need planning permission or a site licence from your Local Authority.

 

Copied below from the Caravan Club

https://www.caravanclub.co.uk/setting-up-a-certificated-location/

 

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At the Club, we have the ability to issue CL certificates to landowners to run small five pitch touring sites, for the exclusive use of our members across the UK and Northern Ireland. This is because we are an exempted organisation under both The Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act 1960 and the Caravans Act (Northern Ireland) 1963.

 

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1 hour ago, DerbyClubman said:

 

They may be in breach of Planning Permission Regulations if their Certificate has been withdrawn. They will also be in breach of the Caravan Sites and Control Development Act as explained in the links below.

 

Copied below from the Camping Club

https://www.campingandcaravanningclub.co.uk/UKCS/smallsites/setting-up-a-certificated-site/

 

 

Copied below from the Caravan Club

https://www.caravanclub.co.uk/setting-up-a-certificated-location/

 

 

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1 hour ago, DerbyClubman said:

 

They may be in breach of Planning Permission Regulations if their Certificate has been withdrawn.

 

If they are a registered CL why would they have had their certificate withdrawn?

 

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They will also be in breach of the Caravan Sites and Control Development Act as explained in the links below.

 

How can the be in breach of an act they are exempt from?

 

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We hold special exemptions from Natural England to establish small caravan and camping sites for our members, meaning that you won’t need planning permission or a site licence from your Local Authority.

At the Club, we have the ability to issue CL certificates to landowners to run small five pitch touring sites, for the exclusive use of our members across the UK and Northern Ireland. This is because we are an exempted organisation under both The Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act 1960 and the Caravans Act (Northern Ireland) 1963.

 

Personally i think there are more important things to worry about than 5 caravans/motorhomes spread out across a farmer's field.

 

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7 minutes ago, Grandpa Steve said:

 

How can the be in breach of an act they are exempt from?

 

In the same way that Fire Police Ambulance etc are exempt from speed limits. There are VERY specific conditions that have to be complied with in order for that exemption to apply. Police etc it’s “If observance of the limit would hinder the purpose to which the vehicle is being put AT THAT  TIME”  So it’s not a blanket exemption.

 

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Grandpa Steve the Caravan Club and many other clubs hold an Exemption Certificate from the Government to allow them to operate without planning permission for Rallies and CLs etc. these come up for renewal from time to time and the last thing the clubs want is a local council objecting to it's renewal as not being a responsible body to hold a certificate.

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4 minutes ago, Mr Plodd said:

 

In the same way that Fire Police Ambulance etc are exempt from speed limits. There are VERY specific conditions that have to be complied with in order for that exemption to apply. Police etc it’s “If observance of the limit would hinder the purpose to which the vehicle is being put AT THAT  TIME”  So it’s not a blanket exemption.

 

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Well my day was going OK till you mentioned that!

As you say its not a blanket exemption and I know that from personal-ouch- experience! 

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8 minutes ago, Mr Plodd said:

 

In the same way that Fire Police Ambulance etc are exempt from speed limits. There are VERY specific conditions that have to be complied with in order for that exemption to apply. Police etc it’s “If observance of the limit would hinder the purpose to which the vehicle is being put AT THAT  TIME”  So it’s not a blanket exemption.

 

Andy

 

You may well be right, but you can't just post:-

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They will also be in breach of the Caravan Sites and Control Development Act as explained in the links below.

 

and in the same post copy the text  that says:-

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This is because we are an exempted organisation under both The Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act 1960 and the Caravans Act (Northern Ireland) 1963.

 

One contradicts the other, without any context explaining.

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For information:-

These exemption (from planning regulations) certificates are issued by the government to an approved organisation, who can in turn authorise their members to act on behalf of that organisation. Members of the organisation are not automatically authorised and permission can be withdrawn by the organisation (usually through a controlling committee) at any time without reference to the government. Without permission the individual members, or the CL/CS owner have then to comply with the Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act 1960. 

When running rallies I always would have a copy of a current exemption certificate for reference should a government or local authority inspector turn up unannounced. I hope this clarifies the legal situation.

 

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/camping-and-caravanning-site-exemption-certificates-know-the-rules-and-how-to-apply

Caravan site exemptions.doc (hyperlinks not active)

Below is an example of an expired Exemption Certificate (with club details removed).

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It seems I am being criticised for quoting from the CCC and CMC websites without context - I responded to the comment from Mal that all certificates had been suspended by the two clubs - if that is the case then I cannot see what was wrong with my posting above.

 

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On the topic of Sites Re-opening, obviously there are differences in the timing depending on what part of the UK we’re in.

As a purchaser of our first touring ‘van in February, and never having used it yet, I’m as keen as anyone to get away for a break.

We had three holidays booked in Scotland at Easter and early May (both at Elie in Fife) and a week up at Hopeman in Moray (this week actually, and look at the great weather too!).

We’ve had or are getting all deposits back which is fine. 
But I was surprised to hear that Abbeyford, who own Elie and two other Scottish sites, won’t be re-opening in 2020 at all.

We were a bit surprised as they might’ve ended up being open from say July / August to the end of October earning some much needed revenue.

Hoping not many other sites follow this lead.

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CMC are accepting bookings on their sites! 

 

I am supposed to be in France at the end of August. I have already booked a couple of CMC sites for the same period in the U.K. in case I cannot go to France. I suspect that if the continent remains “out of bounds” there will be a shortage of pitches here :o

 

I’ve got my pitches sorted :P

 

Andy

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3 hours ago, Mr Plodd said:

CMC are accepting bookings on their sites! 

 

I am supposed to be in France at the end of August. I have already booked a couple of CMC sites for the same period in the U.K. in case I cannot go to France. I suspect that if the continent remains “out of bounds” there will be a shortage of pitches here :o

 

I’ve got my pitches sorted :P

 

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Hopefully you can go to France  😜

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5 hours ago, BM Bairn said:

 Hopeman in Moray (this week actually, and look at the great weather too!).

Hopeman, is a odd place to book unless you have a reason  to visit, I know the area as in 1976 I did outward bound at the sea school along the coast, pleased to say lived to tell the tail.

 

Did visit back in 2007 things changed but still a fabulous coast.

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On ‎26‎/‎05‎/‎2020 at 23:57, MalH said:

 

This is illegal as the clubs have suspended all CL certificates

 There were/ are exemptions as per The Ministry of Housing.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/further-businesses-and-premises-to-close/further-businesses-and-premises-to-close-guidance

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13 hours ago, PaulR said:

Hopeman, is a odd place to book unless you have a reason  to visit, I know the area as in 1976 I did outward bound at the sea school along the coast, pleased to say lived to tell the tail.

 

Did visit back in 2007 things changed but still a fabulous coast.

As you say Paul, it’s a fabulous Coast. We’ve been holidaying on the Moray & Banffshire coastline since I was a kid (quite a few years ago).

In previous years we’ve generally stayed around Lossiemouth, Findhorn  and sometimes Banff. The area is stunning and we potter along the coast as there’s so many things to see and the beaches are fantastic especially for our dog.

The site at West Beach, Hopeman has been taken over since your last trip. It is fantastic and has many Large fully serviced pitches on the waterfront overlooking the Moray Firth. As you suggest there’s not loads in Hopeman itself, it’s just a quaint wee fishing village, although it’s is blessed with a really good chippy and Chinese take-away now :D The one down side to the site is the owner who really needs to go on a customer care course (all good until you have a complaint).

Apart from that, it’s a base for us to scout about our favourite coast line, and there’s the odd RAF jet to watch in action although not as often as the old days.

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The site we use in Spain has confirmed that they have been given the go ahead to open on 14 June, we are due there late August but I think we have decided to give it a miss this year and wait to see what happens here in the UK and in Spain, the other thing we need to consider, will be insured for Covid, I think not and not for a few years until this pandemic disappears or until a vaccine is found

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42 minutes ago, Les Medes said:

The site we use in Spain has confirmed that they have been given the go ahead to open on 14 June, we are due there late August but I think we have decided to give it a miss this year and wait to see what happens here in the UK and in Spain, the other thing we need to consider, will be insured for Covid, I think not and not for a few years until this pandemic disappears or until a vaccine is found

 

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I've posted elsewhere my thoughts concerning air travel with the 'horror' of negotiating airports and sitting inside a 160+ sardine tin-cum-petri dish for 2-3 hours, likewise spending 2 weeks on a cruise ship, possibly in addition to the aforementioned.  Next on my list of 'no thanks just now' would be several hours on a cross channel ferry (unless allowed to remain in my vehicle and use the caravan's facilities during the voyage).  It will, however,  be interesting to see how the ferry operators reconfigure their vessels when they are eventually allowed to take recreational passengers.  My guess is that the Chunnel is going to be in heavy demand when the time comes.

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44 minutes ago, MalH said:

 

  Next on my list of 'no thanks just now' would be several hours on a cross channel ferry (unless allowed to remain in my vehicle and use the caravan's facilities during the voyage).  It will, however,  be interesting to see how the ferry operators reconfigure their vessels when they are eventually allowed to take recreational passengers.

 

It depends entirely on how the ventilation system is configured.   On aircraft and some vessels, the air is recirculated.    Some weeks ago Brittany Ferries made a point of mentioning that their vessels had air conditioning units which directed a  supply of fresh air into the cabins and public spaces.

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1 hour ago, MalH said:

 

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I've posted elsewhere my thoughts concerning air travel with the 'horror' of negotiating airports and sitting inside a 160+ sardine tin-cum-petri dish for 2-3 hours, likewise spending 2 weeks on a cruise ship, possibly in addition to the aforementioned.  Next on my list of 'no thanks just now' would be several hours on a cross channel ferry (unless allowed to remain in my vehicle and use the caravan's facilities during the voyage).  It will, however,  be interesting to see how the ferry operators reconfigure their vessels when they are eventually allowed to take recreational passengers.  My guess is that the Chunnel is going to be in heavy demand when the time comes.

 

We only use the Tunnel Mal so we can go free with our Tesco Vouchers

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Provisionally the government will allow the caravan site to open from the 4th July, as many others we have booked through the CMC from the 1st July?, I personally are expecting the CMC to amend the site bookings ?

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20 minutes ago, Oscarmax said:

Provisionally the government will allow the caravan site to open from the 4th July,

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