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18 minutes ago, joanie said:

that is what is happening now, my friend worked in a bakery , so was allowed to carry on trading but there was no customers so she had to close. 

When you said a bakery is that a small single business? reason I ask because where I live the Allied Bakery has been working 24/7

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Oh dear, how tragic - A Victorian school sounds quite good. I really do find it difficult to have a great deal of sympathy when there are thousands out there with significantly more onerous and stress

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1 hour ago, logiclee said:

 

If we have another spike in infection and deaths and the R is not controlled I think most of the public will not be interested in bars, leisure and tourism. 

Even if the Government had no restrictions I'm sure there would not be the customers to make most businesses viable without Government support.

So it's still going to be down to Virus control.

 

We've already seen some shift in the entertainment industry with many acts cancelling 2020 completely.

 

I'm not thinking about the public in general, but of the employees in these and allied industries, in particular those of small businesses. Life's difficult if you've survived the virus, but you can't make ends meet.

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2 minutes ago, Lutz said:

 

I'm not thinking about the public in general, but of the employees in these and allied industries, in particular those of small businesses. Life's difficult if you've survived the virus, but you can't make ends meet.

 

I agree,

 

But without the General Public feeling safe and confident the Leisure and Tourism business doesn't have a customer so it's pretty mute anyway.

 

I have close friends who both run small cafe type premises in rural tourism settings, with social distancing they can't make enough tables available to make the business viable even if the public want to go.

 

So still uncertainty even when they are allowed to open.  

 

Plus they face hostility from the locals who don't want tourism to return yet.

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37 minutes ago, oldboy said:

When you said a bakery is that a small single business? reason I ask because where I live the Allied Bakery has been working 24/7

retail, a small bakery, it actually has a small cafe as well and at first she was going take away but that didn't last long and she had to close  because of lack of customers

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Just now, logiclee said:

 

I agree,

 

But without the General Public feeling safe and confident the Leisure and Tourism business doesn't have a customer so it's pretty mute anyway.

 

I have close friends who both run small cafe type premises in rural tourism settings, with social distancing they can't make enough tables available to make the business viable even if the public want to go.

 

So still uncertainty even when they are allowed to open.  

 

Plus they face hostility from the locals who don't want tourism to return yet.

 

A lot of the opening up seems to be down to local authorities as here I have just driven across the New Forest and seen Motorhomes parked up in Car parks and on the roads and Bournemouth Christchurch and Poole have opened their public car parks and public toilets but Dorset council say that visitors are not welcome .

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2 minutes ago, CommanderDave said:

 

A lot of the opening up seems to be down to local authorities as here I have just driven across the New Forest and seen Motorhomes parked up in Car parks and on the roads and Bournemouth Christchurch and Poole have opened their public car parks and public toilets but Dorset council say that visitors are not welcome .

 

On our local news Wed, most of the council leaders for the Yorks/Lincs East Coast resorts were saying stay away we are closed. 

A family member from Skegness also sent me a facebook link to photo's of locals who had blocked off carparks that didn't have barriers. 

 

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/local-news/skegness-council-police-say-keep-4131279

Just had an email. The last thing remaining that I had booked has been cancelled. Boardmasters in August.

 

I had several festivals and music concerts booked this year up until November, and a couple in Europe.

 

Now all cancelled. 

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3 hours ago, Mr Plodd said:

I think you are getting a tad confused here Dave...

 

The Govt rules state social distancing should be a MINIMUM of 2 metres for all situations.

If partaking in an angling competition the organising club can stipulate how far apart each angler must be. Bearing in mind the length of some fishing poles (different things to rods) 15 metres will ensure that nobody’s kit gets entangled with the next. So I expect that’s what he was referring to! 

 

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Most angling competitions keep a distance between anglers to give them a range in the water in which to catch fish. It's referred to as a ' swim', and the distance is so not to disturb each others ' swim' if a fish is caught or when casting out.

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17 minutes ago, logiclee said:

 

On our local news Wed, most of the council leaders for the Yorks/Lincs East Coast resorts were saying stay away we are closed. 

A family member from Skegness also sent me a facebook link to photo's of locals who had blocked off carparks that didn't have barriers. 

 

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/local-news/skegness-council-police-say-keep-4131279

Just had an email. The last thing remaining that I had booked has been cancelled. Boardmasters in August.

 

I had several festivals and music concerts booked this year up until November, and a couple in Europe.

 

Now all cancelled. 

 

I know the Great Dorset steam fair set for September was cancelled last week but that costs 15 million in preparation before they open the gates and can't social distance easily even over 600 acres .

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37 minutes ago, logiclee said:

 

I agree,

 

But without the General Public feeling safe and confident the Leisure and Tourism business doesn't have a customer so it's pretty mute anyway.

 

I have close friends who both run small cafe type premises in rural tourism settings, with social distancing they can't make enough tables available to make the business viable even if the public want to go.

 

So still uncertainty even when they are allowed to open.  

 

Plus they face hostility from the locals who don't want tourism to return yet.

 

Where is this?  I wonder if there's going to be conflicts all over the country between the leisure business and locals.  The entrepreneurs on one side and the locals who don't need tourist jobs on the other. 

 

There is a possibility we won't get a vaccine,  prevention or cure, for quite some time, if ever, and covid will need to be managed. We then have a choice between economy and health, frightening.

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3 minutes ago, Dave Capiro owner said:

 

Where is this?  I wonder if there's going to be conflicts all over the country between the leisure business and locals.  The entrepreneurs on one side and the locals who don't need tourist jobs on the other. 

 

There is a possibility we won't get a vaccine,  prevention or cure, for quite some time, if ever, and covid will need to be managed. We then have a choice between economy and health, frightening.

 

It's not frightening at all. It's a fact of life. There are lots of other instances in day-to-day life where economy is weighed against health, but never before has it become so evident as with the Covid-19 issue.

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There has been Talk of our campsite re-opening as part of Phase 1 relaxation of lock-down, here in Spain. It will only be open to those who have seasonal/annual pitches and the sanitary facilities will remain closed. 

Whilst I recognise the campsite's economic need to generate income, I'm not looking forward to sharing the site with people who may or may not exercise considerate Covid precautions.

It's going to happen whether I want it or not; there is no point in any display of hostility.

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2 hours ago, joanie said:

that is what is happening now, my friend worked in a bakery , so was allowed to carry on trading but there was no customers so she had to close. 

Strange because there is a small bakery at the bottom of our road. They've been as busy as they ever are during lockdown. They normally close on Sundays, but during the lockdown they've been closing on Mondays as well so that all the staff can have the same days off. They have around four bakers working and another four people working in the shop. They've been allowing two people in the shop at any time and there's usually a queue of around ten waiting outside. (They've been selling 1kg plastic bags of self raising flour to the public for the last couple of weeks as well.)

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Townie, why do you think it's strange, a lot of small  shops have closed through lack of custom.  The other small shops around her have closed , no custom. Throughout  this pandemic most food shopping has been done at supermarkets. 

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7 minutes ago, Townie said:

Strange because there is a small bakery at the bottom of our road. They've been as busy as they ever are during lockdown. They normally close on Sundays, but during the lockdown they've been closing on Mondays as well so that all the staff can have the same days off. They have around four bakers working and another four people working in the shop. They've been allowing two people in the shop at any time and there's usually a queue of around ten waiting outside. (They've been selling 1kg plastic bags of self raising flour to the public for the last couple of weeks as well.)

 

Same near where I live, little general greengrocery now doing a roaring trade, including lovely  bread baked daily and flour, albeit at a price. Bought 2kg bags each for ourselves and both our daughters in the past couple of weeks.  On the other hand, a one-man baking business with a delivery service seems to have closed down for some reason.

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2 minutes ago, Dave Capiro owner said:

 

Where is this? 

 

One's on the East Coast and the other in rural Derbyshire.

 

Currently on the East coast even the Councillors and the Police are telling people not to go.

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3 minutes ago, joanie said:

Townie, why do you think it's strange, a lot of small  shops have closed through lack of custom.  The other small shops around her have closed , no custom. Throughout  this pandemic most food shopping has been done at supermarkets. 

Joanie, what I find strange is the fact that your friend closed down because of a lack of customers, whereas our local bakery is as busy as they ever were. Maybe it's something to do with location? Ours is on the main road with masses of Victorian housing surrounding it, so plenty of people within walking distance.

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58 minutes ago, Flying Grandad said:

There has been Talk of our campsite re-opening as part of Phase 1 relaxation of lock-down, here in Spain.

 

There could be some truth in that.   My three friends who were told to transfer from their caravans into site bungalows have been told that they may be able to move back to their vans again soon.

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1 hour ago, Lutz said:

 

It's not frightening at all. It's a fact of life. There are lots of other instances in day-to-day life where economy is weighed against health, but never before has it become so evident as with the Covid-19 issue.

 

It's frightening if you're classified as vulnerable, or worse. Life threatening and life changing.

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First time we’ll have been to an indoor, sit down  restaurant since March. I’m guessing every 2nd table will be closed off.

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The title of NHS worker has a wide range. We instantly think of someone working in the hospital wards who would be worthy of  giving up a holiday for. But there will be many others in roles extremely remote from the front line and who are unaffected by the pandemic. It would no doubt be impossible to differentiate between them, so whilst willingly giving up a site booking for a frontline NHS worker, you could end up with it being given to someone else who you might not consider worthy.

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BBC news tonight had a feature on Durdle door, a beauty spot in Dorset. They interviewed a family who “ were surprised it was so busy, and a little annoyed, it was like going to Tesco”.
 

The family had travelled an hour and a half to get there. Staggering.

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15 minutes ago, Dave Capiro owner said:

BBC news tonight had a feature on Durdle door, a beauty spot in Dorset. They interviewed a family who “ were surprised it was so busy, and a little annoyed, it was like going to Tesco”.
 

The family had travelled an hour and a half to get there. Staggering.

 

Similar “issues” here in Weymouth. Hordes turning up to gawp at the SIX cruise ships currently anchored just off shore! There is a road that gives a decent vantage point, rammed full of parked cars. 

 

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19 minutes ago, Dave Capiro owner said:

BBC news tonight had a feature on Durdle door, a beauty spot in Dorset. They interviewed a family who “ were surprised it was so busy, and a little annoyed, it was like going to Tesco”.
 

The family had travelled an hour and a half to get there. Staggering.

 

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Similar “issues” here in Weymouth. Hordes turning up to gawp at the SIX cruise ships currently anchored just off shore! There is a road that gives a decent vantage point, rammed full of parked cars. 

 

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