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27 minutes ago, Ern said:

The world will return to complete normality (the utter madness that we now live) The bad guys will be even badder, The protesters will be even more demanding and the ignorant  even more ignoranter:unsure:. The needy will be needier, and the tax payer will be digging deeper to pay the loonies in London to spend it. New viruses will  come and go and we'll all carry on poisoning ourselves on the Costa wearing a mask and sun cream every summer. Nothing much will change.  

 

Although I hate to say it, I completely agree.

 

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This is never going to happen, as with this pandemic in this day and age of travel, by the time it is realised that something is amiss, or even before, it has been shared far and wide.   Eve

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The world certainly IS going to be a somewhat different place after this crisis, and hopefully we we all be around to say “Do you remember what it was like before Covid 19?  Who would have thought tha

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44 minutes ago, logiclee said:

But at this stage I'll gladly take that if myself and my family come out the other side alive.

 

For those not familiar with Maslow’s Hierarchy of Need, here is a link;


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/Maslow's_Hierarchy_of_Needs.svg


I’m not as defeatist as many, although appreciate the concerns of those close to retirement with defined contributions rather than benefits.
 

Looking at the Hierarchy, there has been too much of a focus on the upper elements of the triangle and a lack of recognition of the importance of the base - it is clear we are currently seeing that reset and I’d imagine that will continue.

 

Undoubtably we will see increased taxes, both personal and corporate, so less of peoples take-home will be disposable on items towards the top of the triangle - austerity didn’t work, and it won’t work again especially as those least able (and responsible) for the financial crisis have already paid the price once.

 

I’m also slightly concerned with the over-use of ‘key worker’ as I think it’s far wider than the obvious and it should be recognised there are lots of roles that are ‘key’; however I do note that so far hedge fund holders and investment bankers haven’t made anybody’s list.

 

On the exciting side we’ve been doing some incredible stuff at work that people have been trying to deliver for years but have always been halted - the art of the possible is now encouraged and I hope many of the practices remain.
 

People will return to old habits but I think much will be different and a lot of it for the better.

 

 

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1 minute ago, David 38 said:

Maybe we will learnt not to have everything made abroad.

 

That would be good but sadly each and every one of us as consumers have pushed the manufacturing to ever cheaper locations, having worked in a manufacturing environment for over 30 years I've seen this first hand and even been the orchestrator of it.  I think as time moves on we will start to question the manufacturing locations in a bit more detail rather than grasping at it as a quick saving (questioning the true implications of it).

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My post prompted by this mornings news the lack of testing for the virus due to lack of chemicals.

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Isn't it strange that, in todays "throwaway society", (Normal society, not while under Covid restrictions), one of the most popular TV programs is "The Repair Shop" where a group of craftsmen and craftswomen actually repair old family treasures. Maybe we'll start fixing things instead of just throwing them away, (the way myself and my  parents used to do). I can see a return to people learning older crafts given the lack of apprenticeships to teach the younger generation.

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3 hours ago, Jezzerb said:

I'm not watching any more of these-so much fake news about you just don't know what to believe!  Or is it me!?

 

 

Fake news ? I hope not as he teaches staff for the NHS .

 

 

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1 hour ago, Townie said:

Isn't it strange that, in todays "throwaway society", (Normal society, not while under Covid restrictions), one of the most popular TV programs is "The Repair Shop" where a group of craftsmen and craftswomen actually repair old family treasures. Maybe we'll start fixing things instead of just throwing them away, (the way myself and my  parents used to do). I can see a return to people learning older crafts given the lack of apprenticeships to teach the younger generation.

Whit household good  is already being done by law in some Scandinavian country.

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1 hour ago, Townie said:

Isn't it strange that, in todays "throwaway society", (Normal society, not while under Covid restrictions), one of the most popular TV programs is "The Repair Shop" where a group of craftsmen and craftswomen actually repair old family treasures. Maybe we'll start fixing things instead of just throwing them away, (the way myself and my  parents used to do). I can see a return to people learning older crafts given the lack of apprenticeships to teach the younger generation.

 

I've been doing that for years, mainly from being mean but it's so easy to throw items away that often need a minor tweak to bring them back to life.  Our washing machine is 14 years old, in that time it's had two sets of motor brushes and a new belt, a good many would have simply changed it for a new one.  At the weekend I fitted a new set of brushes to my angle grinder.  Some folks think I'm mad but I actually find it quite therapeutic (as does my wallet!).

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I would like to see a global action plan to deal with the next pandemic; so we all can hit it hard in the beginning. The cost to businesses on a global scale will be huge with I think some major corporations going under, they all borrowed too much after the 2008 crash. The various governments will get their quantitative easing ,money printing machines out again and we will all be paying for this for decades.  Other than that the world will carry-on and caravaning will resume; but not  for a good few weeks.

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23 minutes ago, GaryB1969 said:

 

I've been doing that for years, mainly from being mean but it's so easy to throw items away that often need a minor tweak to bring them back to life.  Our washing machine is 14 years old, in that time it's had two sets of motor brushes and a new belt, a good many would have simply changed it for a new one.  At the weekend I fitted a new set of brushes to my angle grinder.  Some folks think I'm mad but I actually find it quite therapeutic (as does my wallet!).

So do I, last year it was a new door switch for the dishwasher - £8 and a new drive belt for the tumble dryer which was only £6 although it was a swine to get to bits to get the new one in.

 

I dont think I'd have much success with our washing machine motor though, as its an inverter driven direct drive pancake motor. It's dones pretty well for the past 12 years so I probably wont bother to try when it does turn up it's toes.

Just had a shufti, there aren't any brushes but a stator which cost about £130 and rotor which is around £50 so I'll probably get a new machine (I draw the line at rewinding the stator coils)

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At the end of the year I would like to see a good analysis of environmental data to see if all the cut backs in emissions had an effect on global warming. It is a once in a lifetime chance since government plans to reduce emissions will be nowhere near as bad as we are currently having. If they see no changes then it could suggest the plans would not give the desired benefit to reduce global warming, on the other hand it might suggest extreme plans are needed.

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30 minutes ago, Dave Capiro owner said:

I've had the same sweeping brush for years......

Is it the same as Triggers? 4 new heads and 6 new handles, but it's the same brush.

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29 minutes ago, Dave Capiro owner said:

I've had the same sweeping brush for years......

Me to.....cracking brush, had it years only had two handles and three brush heads :D

2 minutes ago, Townie said:

Is it the same as Triggers? 4 new heads and 6 new handles, but it's the same brush.

 

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I just want to have my holiday after suffering from the loss of my husband last year.  The date and time of my husband dying changed my world irrevocably.  Nothing will ever surpass that, not even this coronavirus.  People will not change the way of this, its world governments that will do the changing.  Just remember that this Government has thrown out lots of money to help the unfortunate people who have got no jobs at the moment.  My suggestion would be to make China pay.  Get them to give back what we and the rest of the world have put into their country over the years.  China have instigated epidemics and pandemics across the history of mankind.  Some of you may have read their history lessons of the bubonic plague, it did originate in China and travelled along the silk road into Europe, which then decimated the population, and that was the start. 

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4 hours ago, Dave Capiro owner said:

oh, and antivaxxers might decide to have a rethink, (if and when a vaccine is developed)

I won’t be having any vaccines until it’s been out several years, weigh up which has the greatest health risk, Corona or a rushed vaccine.

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A vaccine will still have to go through the three phases of Clinical Trials, it's just that there will be more hospitals will be involved, and that the data will be collected more quickly.

 

The  first phase is basically human tolerance, and occurs in specialist units, where the drug/vaccine is administered to "healthy volunteers" (i.e. people without the condition).  Often this is a relatively small group, and will be remembered for the testing of Fialuridine in 2006, which at a concentration of 0.002% of that administered in animal safety tests resulted in the deaths of four of the volunteers.

 

Phase 2 is where the drug is administered in similar controlled units, but to patients with the condition (for drugs, slightly different for vaccines, where they look for creation of antibodies).  Once proven safe and efficacious in Phase 2, they move onto Phase 3 where the drug is administered to a large population (small thousands).

 

I for one will not be holding back in being vaccinated...  It's a bit like the current upsurge in mumps and measles due to the false research done by Dr Andrew Wakefield who was subsequently struck off.  MMR are much more serious diseases in adults, and there are teenagers currently suffering from that because of the continuing acceptance of the false research which was subsequently disproved by a huge study in 2008.

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3 hours ago, Townie said:

Isn't it strange that, in todays "throwaway society", (Normal society, not while under Covid restrictions), one of the most popular TV programs is "The Repair Shop" where a group of craftsmen and craftswomen actually repair old family treasures. Maybe we'll start fixing things instead of just throwing them away, (the way myself and my  parents used to do). I can see a return to people learning older crafts given the lack of apprenticeships to teach the younger generation.

this is a good point in the light that we use too much plastic, perhaps we will go back to fix and repair. 

 

49 minutes ago, Babstreefern said:

I just want to have my holiday after suffering from the loss of my husband last year.  The date and time of my husband dying changed my world irrevocably.  Nothing will ever surpass that, not even this coronavirus.  People will not change the way of this, its world governments that will do the changing.  Just remember that this Government has thrown out lots of money to help the unfortunate people who have got no jobs at the moment.  My suggestion would be to make China pay.  Get them to give back what we and the rest of the world have put into their country over the years.  China have instigated epidemics and pandemics across the history of mankind.  Some of you may have read their history lessons of the bubonic plague, it did originate in China and travelled along the silk road into Europe, which then decimated the population, and that was the start. 

I think that more modern day infections also came from China. Perhaps China will pay in one way or another by the world manufacturers not getting the parts from China in future .

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I’m afraid I’m very sceptical of Government and Pharmaceutical Industry advice (can’t help it, it’s just the way I am).

In 2003 the Government told me Iraq had WMD and my unit ‘ordered’ me to have Anthrax Vaccinations, in the light of Gulf War Syndrom from the early 90’s and the Pharmaceutical Industry only interested in making money I refused, point blank to take it. I also refused to take NAPS (anti nerve agent pills) for similar reasons. It caused me no end of grief  but I have a strong enough character not to be ‘bullied’ into things I don’t want to do.

Looking back, I’d say I made the right choice.  

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Thinking more about this question I think we could go into another Cold War regime with the Chinese simply due to relations breaking down BIG TIME with the super powers.

 They had been warned time and time again about their complacency in " wet food " markets  and have been warned time and time again about the danger of a killer virus. What ever happens when the dust settles it's not going to good.... 

 

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Didn't the last foot & mouth we had a number of years ago was caused by dried cow food pellets that came from China?  I'm sure I read about it coming from China

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6 minutes ago, Babstreefern said:

Didn't the last foot & mouth we had a number of years ago was caused by dried cow food pellets that came from China?  I'm sure I read about it coming from China

Are you spreading rumours or have you got evidence. Where did you read it and was it from an authorative source preferably not the DM or Sun- that's how fake news circulates. Just saying

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3 hours ago, Grumpy Auld Smeesh said:

Thinking more about this question I think we could go into another Cold War regime with the Chinese simply due to relations breaking down BIG TIME with the super powers.

 They had been warned time and time again about their complacency in " wet food " markets  and have been warned time and time again about the danger of a killer virus. What ever happens when the dust settles it's not going to good.... 

 

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Gas I think the yanks will be poking China with a big stick when this is all over; It could be another cold war ; this time with China. It wont just all be forgotten, it never is.  Anyway try as I might I couldnt find  any Pangolin anywhere in Morrisons today. 

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Gas I think the yanks will be poking China with a big stick when this is all over; It could be another cold war ; this time with China. It wont just all be forgotten, it never is.  

 

I suspect it won't just be the US as so many others have suffered. If China close ranks over this they're going to end up a very lonely country.

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