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But Andy, them old coal burning steam trains, using them must give out climate destroying emission levels and awfully carcinogenic tar residues that put anything from my Euro6  diesel 4 x 4 way into  the realms of total relative insignificance.  ;) ;)

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8 minutes ago, JTQ said:

But Andy, them old coal burning steam trains, using them must give out climate destroying emission levels and awfully carcinogenic tar residues that put anything from my Euro6  diesel 4 x 4 way into  the realms of total relative insignificance.  ;) ;)

 

I agree, but we need everyone else on tiny emissions so that we can still run steam trains, That's just sense, no prejudice at all. ;)  :D

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49 minutes ago, Steamdrivenandy said:

 

I agree, but we need everyone else on tiny emissions so that we can still run steam trains, That's just sense, no prejudice at all. ;)  :D

 

Just one bag of coal in the fire box equals  the average car emissions for a year I read .

 

 

 

Dave

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7 hours ago, Steamdrivenandy said:

You guys still seem to be taking my thoughts based on your need for a tow vehicle...

 

It's in a forum called 'towcar Talk'!

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2 hours ago, Tigger said:

It's in a forum called 'towcar Talk'!

 

Yep and I've never heard of a car that is so specialist that it only tows, so surely you can post about almost any car. People even post about Mini Cooper S's and they're not homologated to tow anything. So if I can't post about any car that can tow, among other things, then surely posts about cars that are legally unable to tow should not be allowed either? And it gives folk a different perspective to think about.

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7 hours ago, Borussia 1900 said:

I like the look of those Ian are they any good? You don't happen to know if the Kerbweight is more than 2200 Kg?

Just under 2100 so you would have a problem. The 3L is only 8 bhp less than the 4.4, down from 308 to 300 but the same torque at 700Nm in a lighter car.  Actually a very quick car 150 MPH and 0 to 60 in 6.1 not that I will be using that. Very steady towing the Buccaneer  but smaller fuel tank, 66l, and less room inside so roof box for foreign trips. No low range but lots of clever electronics including off road cruise where you can set the speed between 1mph and 20mph and it maintains it up and down hill. Got a few problems with my screens so may reject the car but would consider another.

 

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38 minutes ago, Steamdrivenandy said:

People even post about Mini Cooper S's and they're not homologated to tow anything.

 

I've seen a mini towing - a massive hamburger sales caravan. It was about 10 years ago on the M5 southbound approaching Bristol, in the rush hour. I first came up the rear of slow moving traffic about 15 miles earlier and when I eventually reached and passed it I could see it was causing chaos. It was doing about 25 mph with the towhook nearly scraping the ground, emitting clouds of black smoke covering both carriageways. How someone had not called the police by then I can't imagine.

 

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Some models of Minis are approved for towing and some of the estates are reasonably heavy but (from memory) towing weights were fairly low.

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The Clubman All 4 is rated to tow 1500kg braked-our JCW with 228 bhp and 4wd would tow nicely I reckon but we don't want a tow bar on it. The F56 ie the 3 door hatch isn't rated to tow at all-they didn't homologate it but some in the USA do! Not so regulated apparently. The Countryman is definitely rated to tow!

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Just to add a few more bits of information to what is quite an interesting topic.  As mentioned earlier, we have two everyday cars, a 2017 Fiat 500C, 1200cc petrol, 110 g/Km emissions, kerbweight 980kgs and a 2018 Volvo V90 D4, 129 g/Km emissions, kerbweight 1825kgs.

 

Yesterday I went to Swindon in the Volvo, a round trip of 230 miles, mainly motorways and A roads.  Using the cruise control to stay within the legal speed limits I averaged 54mpg on the whole trip.  I was comfortable throughout.  Back in June I did the same trip in the Fiat which returned around 45mpg.  At the end of the trip I wasn't so comfortable...…..

 

I don't know the carbon impact of each car/trip (and I'm not that bothered) BUT the larger vehicle is hardly a gas-guzzling monster compared to the Fiat.

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Carbon impact of the Volvo surely therefore is less which is why the gov at the time pushed a swing to them-but they've realised some older diesels emit NO 2 i think and particulates-hence now we have dpf and ad blue and they reckon diesels are now back to being good again but the trouble is there is still that bad press and older ones on the road!

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25 minutes ago, Jezzerb said:

of the Volvo surely therefore is less which is why the at the time pushed a swing to them-but they've realised some older diesels emit NO 2 think and particulates-hence now we have and ad blue and they reckon diesels are now back to being good again but the trouble is there is still that bad press and older ones on the road!

 

And as a consequence the planet is suffering from not getting the benefits of lower carbon emissions from diesels whilst in the short term there is a rush back to buying petrol powered vehicles. Hopefully short term until the adoption of EVs is more accepted and they are more available.

Great shame the media is judge and jury on diesels and so sways indirectly governments, it would have been far better for what is a technical decision that it was delegated to engineers, but whatever is done correctly?

 

 

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Happy with our 4x4 we won't tow with anything else. My wife likes the higher driving position.  its not too bad on fuel either.

I like big SUVs have had a few because we can!

I would love a Range rover,  had an 89 Classic. I know  recent models  can be had used for a reasonable price.

Mate just bought a V6 Rangie Sport a few years old.mit is very nice and tows his van effortlessly .

I was considering a Mustang V8 as a second car, being retired it would be a toy, but common sense prevailed.

We got a nearly new (ex demo) Mini cooper convertible. Its a cracking little car, very well made and has 1.5 turbo petrol motor.  Its quick too.

Wife loves it so used as runabout. Not much roof down at the moment:angry:

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23 hours ago, IanV8 said:

Just under 2100 so you would have a problem. The 3L is only 8 bhp less than the 4.4, down from 308 to 300 but the same torque at 700Nm in a lighter car.  Actually a very quick car 150 MPH and 0 to 60 in 6.1 not that I will be using that. Very steady towing the Buccaneer  but smaller fuel tank, 66l, and less room inside so roof box for foreign trips. No low range but lots of clever electronics including off road cruise where you can set the speed between 1mph and 20mph and it maintains it up and down hill. Got a few problems with my screens so may reject the car but would consider another.

 

Ian

Land Rover lovers love Land Rovers. Chap at my work rejected his last 2 Velars and wanted a third! No chance for me!

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We've two cars, a diesel Korando and recently a petrol Zafira C. If we only had one car neither would be ideal. The Korando is great for towing with and with 4wd is good on wet and muddy campsites. It's also got a bit of spare towing capacity if we decided to go for a heavier van. However the boot is too small for much load carrying.Not a problem for caravanning as most stuff is left in the van and we tend to travel light anyway. The Zafira is a great load carrier and gives us seven seats as well if needed. However its towing ability is dubious with conflicting weights and I wouldn't fancy its chances on wet grass, certainly not with the standard tyres. Fuel consumption isn't great either compared to a diesel vehicle. Would probably look at a late model Sorento, though not a cheap car any more. If we sold both cars, we probably wouldn't have enough for a Sorento of similar vintage. Anyway, it suits us to have two cars at the moment. 

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I suppose most like to feel safe, and when towing a larger SUV type vehicle gives that impression.

We're guilty as we have a Jeep Grand Cherokee. It does nothing other towing the caravan or the boats.

We also have an ageing Volvo V70 which could probably tow the caravan, but it's just ticked over the 200k mark and I don't want to kill it quite yet.  Mostly we use our newish Aygo which will do most things, apart from a big shop or taking the dog anywhere.

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I used to tow our 1500kg van with a Seat Alhambra which is not a small car, and was acceptable with the van on the back.

 

But compared to my current Discovery it's chalk and cheese when towing. No need to worry about whether I can get up the next hill without reducing speed; very little disturbance from the Mercedes Sprinter banging past at 95mph on the motorway; and the high driving position allows earlier anticipation of slowing traffic or other problems ahead.

But most of all it is such a lovely car to drive.

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I hate the term "SUV". Totally meaningless. My Disco is certainly not a sports vehicle, utility possibly, vehicle of course. It's almost as bad as "people carrier". ALL cars are people carriers! I drive a Discovery 4 to tow a caravan and a horse trailer (not at the same time). I would find it very hard to go back to a smaller car. I like having a low range box, manouvering on tick over is great. Plus I pay all costs, so I feel no guilt.

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10 hours ago, Percyprod01 said:

I hate the term "SUV". Totally meaningless. My Disco is certainly not a sports vehicle, utility possibly, vehicle of course. It's almost as bad as "people carrier". ALL cars are people carriers! I drive a Discovery 4 to tow a caravan and a horse trailer (not at the same time). I would find it very hard to go back to a smaller car. I like having a low range box, manouvering on tick over is great. Plus I pay all costs, so I feel no guilt.

 

Sport Utility Vehicle applies quite accurately to some SUVs, but others have no sporting pretension at all.

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I put bikes in and on my Shogun, cycling is a sport 

 

Therefore:

 

Sports - Cycling 

Utility - It’s useful for carrying bikes

Vehicle - Yes, it’s one of those

 

 

All boxes ticked

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Fishing is a sport also, my car carries my tackle every week, so qualifies as a SUV.

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'Sport' is fatuous in nearly all cases but then there is the Lamborghini Urus, will concede to the use of 'S'UV there.

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Posted (edited)

I thought SUV stood for 

 

Stupidly

Unnecessary

Vehicles 

 

;););););)

 

Andy

 

Tin hat retrieved from loft and affixed atop my (thick) skull :P

 

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On 11 December 2019 at 08:53, Steamdrivenandy said:

You guys still seem to be taking my thoughts based on your need for a tow vehicle. Both my earlier posts on this thread made it plain that I was talking about non-towing car users, who are, by far, the majority.

And I agree that there are other, larger polluters in this world but for our grand children's sake  we need to push in the right direction. Fatalism should be trumped by hope.

One of my own pet issues is that nobody seems to cost wind turbines on the basis of the energy needed to build the facilities to make them, then to build, transport, install and maintain them. On that basis, at what point in their lives do they become a net benefit?

 

 

It's no gonni happen Steamie D. Attitudes will not change' The human race are simply too selfish and too greedy and will not be happy until we have choked our very precious wee planet to the point of no return. It's simply hopeless. 

 

Maybe a wee bit too heavy a statement for some this time in the morning :blink: but I don't see any change  but see and hear plenty of they "Do Gooders " bluff and bluster... Enjoy your Big Car auld fruit and these mad wind turbines are not as efficient as we are led to believe. 

 

Here's a quick question and excuse the Fred Drift. Is Australia burning due to a climate emergency ? Australia has had history of massive Bush Fires but what makes this one so devastating was due to the drought. Is this a result of climate change ? I don't know... 

 

GAS ... :mellow:

 

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If I didn't tow I probably wouldn't have such a big car, but my old bones tell me that I still need one that I can step up into rather than fold myself up like a Swiss knife in order to get in. That inevitably seems to lead to an SUV.

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