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Sky+ DRX 890C any good in a van?

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Hi, I am thinking about using my Sky + box in the van since we have upgraded to Sky Q at home and have the "old" box lying around.

We have stayed on a couple of sites this year that have had poor TV reception, so -

So can this be done ?

I have my "old" card still in the box - will this be required or a new one ?

I presume that I will need to by a suitable dish and LNB - the engineer took those away with them.

I will probably get some sort of Satellite Alignment meter - to aid setting up on sites etc.

Anything else required?

 

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I use a very old Sky box in our 'van, certainly not as posh as your + box, and it works just fine on the basic range of channels.  It doesn't record or save but I'm not concerned about about that.  If you want to do the fancy stuff you have to pay.  I just want to watch TV for nothing and use Sky when I can't get an ordinary signal.  My dish is one of those oval domestic ones mounted on a tripod with a single LNB.  

     John.

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I have been told by reliable sources that the Sky+HD box can be used with the card from the Sky box.  Why not try it at home?  There are some threads on this forum regarding Sky Q.  As we saw no advantage for us of having Sky Q we decided to stick with Sky+HD.  :D

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2 hours ago, Durbanite said:

Why not try it at home?  

Because the $ky Q lnb (2-connections only) won't work with the old $ky boxes. 

 

Unless OP has had a 6-output 'hybrid LNB' fitted (usually have to ask/demand one for other (free)sat boxes in the home) when they auto detect what type of box is connected.

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Thanks for the replies guys!

LeedsLad, recording / saving would be nice - but not essential. Glad to know your system works, will buy a dish with LNB and set it up at home to see if I can get it working.

Durbanite, did you mean the box will work with its original card in? (May be me being a bit dim!).

Rodders53, no fancy hybrid gizzmos here! :)

 

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Just take your sky q card with you. Connect your old box up and as long as it’s connected to the internet ( we use our iPhone as a hotspot ) it will work. Once connected go to a channel you pay for, sky sports for example. It will say that the card is not paired to box and ask you if you would like to pair it. Choose yes and it will pair. Once home just re pair it to your sky q box.

 

 

trust me I’ve been doing it for years 👍

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Can I add my bit to the above.

You don't shotgun cable if you are watching only. Without a contract or paying a standalone £10 per month to record you don't need to feed both tuners so a single cable is all that is needed. As such 25m of cable and two bags of connectors and adapters from - items 647FK, 17061 and 95730 respectively. Fitting them is very easy with plenty of on-line help.

 

I would get a 60cm ovoid dish rather than a 'Sky' dish as they are easier to manage and align. There are plenty on eBay but do make sure you get one with an easily removable LNB arm else transit can become an issue - they are not small!

 

Finally look on eBay for a lightweight tripod - I have a Konig which weights less than 2Kg. Provided it has a clear line of sight in the right direction a sat dish will work at ground level so don't worry about getting a tall tripod BUT do have some good pegs to put over the feet to stop it being blown over.

 

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14 hours ago, Rodders53 said:

Because the $ky Q lnb (2-connections only) won't work with the old $ky boxes. 

 

Unless OP has had a 6-output 'hybrid LNB' fitted (usually have to ask/demand one for other (free)sat boxes in the home) when they auto detect what type of box is connected.

I assume the OP has a stand alone dish that eh can try at home.  All they then need to do is to connect up the old Sky box to the stand alone, insert the card from the Sky Q box to test if it works.  I have been told on more than one occasion that the card is backward compatible and will pair allowing programs to be recorded so they will need shotgun coaxial cable.  I would suggest a minimum length of 10m but 15m is good. 

You can use the Sky+HD box when searching for a signal as long as you have a compass or use an App like "satfinder" which will show you the direction in which to point the dish.

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Update, tried out the new Sky Oval dish, old Sky HD+ box and had no luck?

Will try again weather permitting tomorrow!

The LNB has 4 connectors on it - so I may be connecting to the wrong pair with my Shotgun cable?

I may also need to check my alignment with the Satellite? I have used the one on the wall of the house as a guide and pointed my new dish in that direction, but I have less up / down adjustment that anticipated? I will look at the set up arrangement to see if there is another way to get a bit more elevation?

I may have to buy an alignment meter to get it within acceptable accuracy?

Edited by VinnyE

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You need a meter as your trying to find power from a 60w light bulb 22 000 miles away needs to be more than just point in the general direction .

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12 hours ago, CommanderDave said:

You need a meter as your trying to find power from a 60w light bulb 22 000 miles away needs to be more than just point in the general direction .

 

To get some idea of just what is involved, perhaps the O.P. might care to Google an article 'wot I wrote' a few years back for another forum. 

 

Google; "The art of aiming a satellite dish" by Vin Blanc.

Good luck!

 

Vin Blanc

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18 hours ago, VinnyE said:

Update, tried out the new Sky Oval dish, old Sky HD+ box and had no luck?

Will try again weather permitting tomorrow!

The LNB has 4 connectors on it - so I may be connecting to the wrong pair with my Shotgun cable?

I may also need to check my alignment with the Satellite? I have used the one on the wall of the house as a guide and pointed my new dish in that direction, but I have less up / down adjustment that anticipated? I will look at the set up arrangement to see if there is another way to get a bit more elevation?

I may have to buy an alignment meter to get it within acceptable accuracy?

Are you using a stand alone dish of the one that Sky fitted for your Sky Q?  The LNB needs to be the standard LNB with generally either 2 or 4 connections.

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Durbanite, I bought another oval dish to use solely with the van, it has 4 sockets on the LNB.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-SKY-Zone-1-Dish-with-Quad-LNB-Wall-Mount-Bracket-for-SKY-or-FREESAT/264215183776

CommanderDave, I have ordered a meter, should be here in a couple of days!

Vin Blanc - will Google your article soon!

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Vin, I have read your article - WOW!

Do you have the original photographs?

I would like to look at your bracket arrangements more closely, and can not enlarge them from that site?

Edited by VinnyE

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Sorry VinnyE, I lost the original photos when my computer crashed a few years ago however, I have a further tip for you as follows;-

 

During all my trips to southern France and Italy, I never ever, had to change the Skew setting on my “off-set” dish.

 

Initially, I had set the skew to 12.5° (half way between 0° and 25°,) which is about 34 minutes past the hour on a clock face.

 

Obviously, if I had ever received a weak signal I would have adjusted the skew to that advised by “Dishpointer” but I never once had cause to do so which is great when moving from site to site every few days!

 

Another of my articles might prove informative!

 

Skew?  -  what the hell is skew?

 

In order to understand what skew is all about, I found it necessary to build up a mental picture as follows:-.

 

Try to imagine that you are looking due south at a rainbow spanning from east to west in a huge arc.

 

At various points in the arc of this rainbow there hover hundreds of satellites. This has become known as “The Clarke Belt”,  (named after the famous Arthur C. Clarke).

 

Sited along the Clarke Belt between South and East are a couple that we have all heard about. Namely Astra 1 at 19.2º East of south and Astra 2 at 28.2º East of south.

 

Without a diagram this is about the best way I can describe how it would look.

 

East (90º)……..………Astra 2....Astra 1.…South (180º)…………………….……………..West (270º)

 

Imagine now that both the satellite and the dish are square in shape instead of circular.

 

It is easy to appreciate that the further east the satellite is located around the arc of the rainbow, the more it starts to tilt in relation to the view of the observer on the ground (also known as the “Dish”!)

 

The difference between the face to face angle of the satellite and the dish can be measured in degrees and to correct it, it will be necessary to tilt the dish sideways to match the satellite.

 

Now in practical terms it is not always possible to tilt the dish sideways so we do the next best thing and tilt (or “skew”) the LNB by the amount of degrees necessary to re-align it with the satellite.

 

And that, for what it’s worth is Skew!

 

For those with fixed (non mobile) dishes, the skew angle is usually set at the time of installation and will never need further adjustment however, for those of us with caravans and campers (and even tents), our dishes have to be set up and adjusted at each new venue.

 

When you are getting a good strong signal, the skew setting is not mega important. (I tend to leave the LNB on my dish set at approx 12.5º) however, in areas where the signal is weak, adjusting the skew could just mean the difference between getting a continuous perfect picture or absolutely nothing at all!

 

 

Vin Blanc

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Posted (edited)

i know this is an old thread and sorry to drop in but if it helps, i have a sky dish we use in our old elddis, and we always setup and test at home before we go and i find the hedge in the garden can block the signal so moving my dish away from it helps a lot, just thought i would add this as i wouldnt of guessed if it hadnt happened to me, ive run the wires to 2 points in the van and we have a box each, standard sky dish on the tripod as seen on ebay works a treat every time and worked for 3 plus years

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