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Youngest son has just turned 21.For the past 2 years he's been driving a 54reg Micra he was given by his cousin. He's doing a degree apprenticeship at a well known aero engine maker, so has some disposable income but has a 50mile commute every day. I suggested buying a new or nearly new car on a PCP or HP but he didn't fancy that. Most of his friends and colleagues have Fabias, Fiestas, Golfs etc. He fancied something a bit different and focused on a Volvo C30.It wouldn't be my choice of a car but he seems to like it. Made me think back to when I was that age and the object of my desire was a yellow Austin 1300GT.I was very taken with the reclining seats, vinyl roof, rev counter etc, things which were by no means universal in 1974.Car was not really much cop and was soon replaced by a Hillman Avenger which was much better. What was everbody else driving when they were 21?

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Yep back in the late 80's early 90's cars and mates were great.   At 18 four of us had identical black XR3i's, later we had a mix of 205GTi 's, Escort RS Turbo's and I had the Turbo XR4x4 Si

A couple of years before your timescale, a friend had the car you mentioned - Hillman Avenger.  You could stand there and watch it rust.

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At 21 I had a Ford Sierra 2.9V6 4X4 Sierra with twin turbo technics conversion.  260PS.

 

I towed a Swift Challenger 17' 4 berth.

 

(1990 ish) Insurance around £600.

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Zoe had a Cooper S at 22.insurance was only £800. We do live in the sticks though!

And 4 years no claims!

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3 minutes ago, logiclee said:

At 21 I had a Ford Sierra 2.9V6 4X4 Sierra with twin turbo technics conversion. 

 

I towed a Swift Challenger 17' 4 berth.

 

(1990 ish)

Blimey, thats young to be caravanning! 

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My insurance in 1967, any driver was £12.50 a year! Cooper S  as well!

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5 minutes ago, Dobloseven said:

Blimey, thats young to be caravanning! 

 

I was tenting in my teens, bought a trailer tent at 17 and at 18 bought a Thomson Glen being towed by an XR3i.

 

That's me on the right.

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I turned 21 in 1990 and was constantly filling the fuel tank of a 1968 Triumph 2000 mk1 automatic.  PRY665G, the one in front of the garage, it towed the Mustang Pony also in the photo. The one on it's side underwent a 6 year restoration. 

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1988 grey Escort RS Turbo. Wow what a car 

Wish I still had it worth good money now 

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10 minutes ago, GaryB1969 said:

I turned 21 in 1990 and was constantly filling the fuel tank of a 1968 Triumph 2000 mk1 automatic.  PRY665G, the one in front of the garage, it towed the Mustang Pony also in the photo. The one on it's side underwent a 6 year restoration. 

 

 

 

At 19 I swapped my Thomson Glen for a Mustang. I can't remember the model though. 

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3 minutes ago, Voobu said:

1988 grey Escort RS Turbo. Wow what a car 

Wish I still had it worth good money now 

What did the insurance cost you!

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1 minute ago, PR1 said:

What did the insurance cost you!

 

I had some nice cars in the late 80's 17-23.

 

Insurance wasn't that bad, started getting stupid early/mid 90's.

 

I had an XR3i at 18 in 86 for £300

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6 minutes ago, logiclee said:

 

At 19 I swapped my Thomson Glen for a Mustang. I can't remember the model though. 

 

Ours was a 5 berth, late 70's model with zero damp and a foot operated water pump. I thought I was dragging it into the 20th Century when I converted it to a 12 volt pump!

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21 in 1991 - had a Triumph Dolomite Sprint - this wasn’t mine but it was identical, in our little crowd were 2 x minis suitably modded, an orange MK1 RS2000 , a 3 litre JPS Capri, MGB, Midget, Ford Anglia 105e with a lotus cortina engine in!

what a time to be alive, Why does it seem like the dark ages!

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17 minutes ago, PR1 said:

What did the insurance cost you!

Wasn’t that bad compared to what young drivers pay now. I was paying around £600 a year 

Here she is 

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At 21 I bought my first car as I was doing a year work placement at uni and had my Halifax shares to buy it; an 11 year old 108k 205 1.4GR, genuinely excellent little car but hadn’t been looked after by previous owners. 
 

The C30 is a superb car - very, very underrated and I can see the appeal; at 50 miles a day he may be looking at the diesel (none of the petrol engines are especially economical, the 1.6 petrol is bereft of power and needs thrashing to go anywhere, the 1.8 and 2.0 are no less economical but have more guts) - the 2.0D is bullet-proof, the 1.6D is an excellent engine but absolutely need a FSH as issued with the DW6 are well known without (injectors leak, the sump is small and turbos die as a result of it) - a proper historied 1.6D is a peach though. 
 

I know they aren’t an obvious choice but I’d take one over some white-goods PCP tedium any day, I still have a soft spot for them and may end up with the replacement V40 at some point in the near future

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23 minutes ago, sleepyfolk said:

21 in 1991 - had a Triumph Dolomite Sprint - this wasn’t mine but it was identical, in our little crowd were 2 x minis suitably modded, an orange MK1 RS2000 , a 3 litre JPS Capri, MGB, Midget, Ford Anglia 105e with a lotus cortina engine in!

what a time to be alive, Why does it seem like the dark ages!

 

Yep back in the late 80's early 90's cars and mates were great.

 

At 18 four of us had identical black XR3i's, later we had a mix of 205GTi 's, Escort RS Turbo's and I had the Turbo XR4x4 Sierra. 

For a laugh three of us bought classic Mini's as second cars, one red, one white and one blue and we modified them into Italian job replicas and had great times riding to the coast at weekends etc.

 

The youth of today will never have that due to the cost, driving restrictions and congestion.

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Think the lad is paying about 1200 for his Volvo insurance. It's only a 1.6 eco diesel. We do live in a high risk area though. Free road tax though which sweetens things a little bit. Insurance for young drivers seems a strange world.When one of my other sons was about the same age, his insurance renewal was about 1200 pounds for TPFT on an ancient 1.4 Golf. He bought a new 12000 pound 1.4 Vauxhall on five years interest free with 200 pounds deposit and a years free insurance. He checked to see how much it would be if he had to pay and came up with 700pounds fully comp. He also considered a new Seat Ibiza which would have cost even less to insure. 

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My first car in 1964 (I was 17)was a 1937 Riley Adelphi with preselector gear box. Cost me £15 to buy and £18 to insure.

 

It looked a bit like this, but significantly scruffier

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17...... ah yes, 1963 - I'd saved up £17 and 10 shillings to buy a 1946 Morris 8 Series E - side valve -  8hp and complete with a leaking (sun) roof ...... just like a modern caravan!

 

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Having learned to drive and passed my driving test in 1955 on a 1937 8hp Jowett, when I was 21 I was serving in the RAF.  I was posted to a Mobile Field Photographic Section which comprised 40 vehicles. Everyone in the section who held a civilian licence, regardless of trade, had to undergo a two week driving school course. During the course I was taught to drive a 3.5 tonne Magirus truck, A Ford Koln 3.5 tonne water bowser and 51 foot long artic mobile darkrooms.

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At 21 I had a nearly new Volvo 145 estate and a Rover P5B Saloon . Those were the days I was paying about 12500 a year in today's value for insurance on the Volvo at 18 and single .

 

 

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Hi Dobloseven (& son),

FWIW ....

You'll have great trouble getting him to buy anything different to a s/h Volvo if that is what he wants. You said currently he has a 50 mile commute but that will change at some point ?

A bit of proper proper research & reading on the Web, Autotrader etc would be my recommend for him this weekend - I quite enjoy it.

Model reviews, previous experiences & traumas. New Car / pre-loved Car depreciation graphs and money pits are also good reading for his hard earned cash. 

A half decent well maintained 'Private purchase' car, that's already lost maybe 70% of the new cost after 3 / 4 years (PCP has ended !), with a bit of leg work, an HPI check & inspection, would be my choice.

Cleaning, Valeting, bit of body repair, Bank or private family ££'s Loan, fresh MOT, minor mechanical can all be sorted with his ability.

Driving around the UK to purchase or view the right one, right model & colour, just wouldn't phase me or my family. If its a Volvo chosen then find the local aftermarket Volvo repair specialist you may want to use and give him a call or pop in to discuss the specific model & its issues that your thinking about - they sometimes have customers cars they also know about.

 

Oh to be 21 again ....  Capri 1.6, Motown on the 8 track & lots of hair .........

 

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I feel this will be 'ye long ole thread of nostalgia!' 

21 proud as punch to get the best car in the world - the Austin 2.0EFi MG Maestro in white just as this image !! (cough...I thought so at the time :blush:)  :D   I was paying nearly a grand in insurance!!!!!

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Cheers, Martin

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