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Hi everyone got a bit of a strange thing happening, my 2013 Bailey Olympus has developed a "misting" dull effect around the near side rear lower section of the caravan. It is outside the shower area lower part. I cannot see any "leak" stains underneath either, Very strange just wondering if anyone has had this type of thing happen to them and if they found the cause of it. Thanks in advance

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Sounds like in the past the caravan has been damaged and repaired and resprayed in that area .

 

Have you tried carefully using a cutting compound on the paint ?

 

 

 

Dave

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Hi Dave

Not tried this yet as i only noticed yesterday whilst washing it off

My son does detailing i will ask him to look at it see what he thinks

Hope that a repair is not the case as i have just bought this one month ago

 

many thanks for your reply  

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1 hour ago, Discodavey said:

Hi everyone got a bit of a strange thing happening, my 2013 Bailey Olympus has developed a "misting" dull effect around the near side rear lower section of the caravan. It is outside the shower area lower part. I cannot see any "leak" stains underneath either, Very strange just wondering if anyone has had this type of thing happen to them and if they found the cause of it. Thanks in advance

Dave is probably right and I would suggest it might be a lacquer issue. I have seen this on cars when cheap lacquer without good UV stabilisation has been used. Discodavey have you got any pictures you could post?

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Just a long shot, but do as Dave suggests. I had a small patch like that on a GRP panel, maybe 3 x 7 inches.  I used JIF cream as a cutting compound using light pressure and them applied wax polish. 

 

The end result looked better although it was still visible, but do you know what?

 

No-one else noticed it but I KNEW it was there and that's the crux of the matter. Sometimes it's best to let sleeping dogs lie and turn your thoughts to something more serious eg  Has the other half got the credit card in her purse when we go shopping today. ;)

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6 hours ago, madasmad said:

Dave is probably right and I would suggest it might be a lacquer issue. I have seen this on cars when cheap lacquer without good UV stabilisation has been used. Discodavey have you got any pictures you could post?

Pictures will follow towards the end of this week, Will be the next visit to storage. 

Thanks for the reply  

6 hours ago, BOAC said:

Just a long shot, but do as Dave suggests. I had a small patch like that on a GRP panel, maybe 3 x 7 inches.  I used JIF cream as a cutting compound using light pressure and them applied wax polish. 

 

The end result looked better although it was still visible, but do you know what?

 

No-one else noticed it but I KNEW it was there and that's the crux of the matter. Sometimes it's best to let sleeping dogs lie and turn your thoughts to something more serious eg  Has the other half got the credit card in her purse when we go shopping today. ;)

The other half does not need my card she has already got online access  LOL

 

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On 29/10/2019 at 10:04, Discodavey said:

Hi everyone got a bit of a strange thing happening, my 2013 Bailey Olympus has developed a "misting" dull effect around the near side rear lower section of the caravan. It is outside the shower area lower part. I cannot see any "leak" stains underneath either, Very strange just wondering if anyone has had this type of thing happen to them and if they found the cause of it. Thanks in advance

Hi Discodavey,

I have the same issue on my 2012 Lunar Lexon, just above a side window. Its about 14" x 12" The area has gone dull, with what almost looks like a water mark and slight yellowing of a small square of paintwork. We have owned the van since 2013 but only noticed it in the last couple of months. We took the van in for its winter storage/service last week and I asked my caravan service man what he thought it was? Without prompting he said he thought it had been repaired and the paint/laquer combination was now causing the issue. Although we bought the van when it was 12 months old, the previous owner only used it for a couple of weekends due to ill health, then sadly passed away, so I think it unlikely it was damaged during those two weekend trips.  My caravan man said it was more likely dented, then repaired at the factory before delivery to the new owner! I had no idea this sort of thing went on.  He seemed to think a respray in that area by his body/paint expert should do the job, I'm just hoping its not too expensive. I await the quote with baited breath!

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Poor paint performance over damaged pre-finished panels is by no means uncommon

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I have had a "strange body problem for the past 70 years +   :)

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The outer body skin on an Olympus is aluminium not fibre glass so it’s a painted finish not coloured gel coat. It’s also very easy to dent as my neighbours children found out when I owned one, not cheap to repair either. 

 

Be VERY careful with any “cutting compound” as it’s very easy to go through the (thin) paint if you don’t know what you are doing.

 

Try sending any pictures to “Tourershine” who is a member here. He is very knowledgeable about surface finishes and problems with them.

 

Andy

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Similar thing with the Lunar Quasar we bought at 18 months old but never used due to bereavement. It had a matt  area below one of the front side windows. It had been damaged and repaired at the factory. Careful compounding and polishing reduced its appearance a little but I didn’t go mad at it for fear of going through the paint. Couldn’t really notice it unless you were really close to it. Didn’t get picked up when we traded it in. 

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I would add that I have experience of buying a van that developed this problem. It turned out that it was a factory repair where the van got damaged whilst being moved around just after being constructed. this is much more common than people think! This was pointed out by a very good company called Tourershine  who repolished and sealed the whole van - never had a worry after then. 

 

Martin W

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Autoglym super resin polish is good at adding a shine to car paint and would probably work on a caravan. If trying a polish, do it on a small area first to see if it helps.

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I've used it on our vans; great stuff. Has a VERY mild tcut effect, and then top coast with their supergloss protection but better imo and much cheaper is Carplan number one topgloss-gives great results for about 6 months (they say a year but I prefer to recoat every 3-5 months. Makes it very easy to clean and is VERY easy to apply. 

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On 22/12/2019 at 15:47, Bunce said:

Hi Discodavey,

I have the same issue on my 2012 Lunar Lexon, just above a side window. Its about 14" x 12" The area has gone dull, with what almost looks like a water mark and slight yellowing of a small square of paintwork. We have owned the van since 2013 but only noticed it in the last couple of months. We took the van in for its winter storage/service last week and I asked my caravan service man what he thought it was? Without prompting he said he thought it had been repaired and the paint/laquer combination was now causing the issue. Although we bought the van when it was 12 months old, the previous owner only used it for a couple of weekends due to ill health, then sadly passed away, so I think it unlikely it was damaged during those two weekend trips.  My caravan man said it was more likely dented, then repaired at the factory before delivery to the new owner! I had no idea this sort of thing went on.  He seemed to think a respray in that area by his body/paint expert should do the job, I'm just hoping its not too expensive. I await the quote with baited breath!

 

What you were told is spot on.

All Caravan and Motorhome manufactures repair in-house when these things get damaged during construction.  It's far more common on aluminium builds for obvious reasons and your Lunar will have aluminum sides.  Lunar, for some strange unknown reason do develop an almost luminous yellow effect around faded paint repairs in certain lights, which makes it even more obvious, but as you now know, this is totally normal and very common across all Caravans. 

 

Repairs like this are fine if they are initially done to a good standard, and there is no need for a dealer to inform you of any repairs in this situation. (to be fair, most wouldn't know about them anyway)   

Most manufactures will have a record of any dent repairs done in the factory, and will uphold a warranty claim if it's within it's warranty period. 

 

Repairs will only show up as 'patches' if the surface hasn't been regularly protected, or initially paint sealed with a long life protection.  It's just the natural paint deterioration process, where the repair is fading faster than the original finish, hence showing as a patch.  

90% of these patches caught at the right time, we can blend them back in to the original colour as part of our Restoration process, and then help the customer stop this coming back with the correct advice.  

Bare in mind that if a repair is showing up, then there is a high likelihood that the whole side and potentially both sides are now at a state that they are starting to oxidise, which is also common on Lunars and Bailey of this age, showing as a permanant light clouding/misting across the panel to the naked eye. 

As for your Lunar, we'd need to see pictures of the patch to establish if this has gone too far now.   Often when they start to yellow around the edges, you can find the actual filler work in the centre of this patch which will of sunk, or more commonly started to micro-blister if you look very closely. 

 

I have no problem advising you if you send me a picture to enquiries@tourershine.co.uk if you are not sure.

 

Paul

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I had a 2011 Lunar that had this issue in two separate places and until now I never knew that this was the likely reason. I just polished the area and nobody else said anything or noticed.

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On 23/12/2019 at 12:48, Paul1957 said:

Autoglym super resin polish is good at adding a shine to car paint and would probably work on a caravan. If trying a polish, do it on a small area first to see if it helps.

 

I have used Autoglm shampoo and resin polish and Autoglym colour restorer on the plastic panels for years .

 

Excellent mirror finish .

 

 

Dave

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6 hours ago, Tourershine said:

 

What you were told is spot on.

All Caravan and Motorhome manufactures repair in-house when these things get damaged during construction.  It's far more common on aluminium builds for obvious reasons and your Lunar will have aluminum sides.  Lunar, for some strange unknown reason do develop an almost luminous yellow effect around faded paint repairs in certain lights, which makes it even more obvious, but as you now know, this is totally normal and very common across all Caravans. 

 

Repairs like this are fine if they are initially done to a good standard, and there is no need for a dealer to inform you of any repairs in this situation. (to be fair, most wouldn't know about them anyway)   

Most manufactures will have a record of any dent repairs done in the factory, and will uphold a warranty claim if it's within it's warranty period. 

 

Repairs will only show up as 'patches' if the surface hasn't been regularly protected, or initially paint sealed with a long life protection.  It's just the natural paint deterioration process, where the repair is fading faster than the original finish, hence showing as a patch.  

90% of these patches caught at the right time, we can blend them back in to the original colour as part of our Restoration process, and then help the customer stop this coming back with the correct advice.  

Bare in mind that if a repair is showing up, then there is a high likelihood that the whole side and potentially both sides are now at a state that they are starting to oxidise, which is also common on Lunars and Bailey of this age, showing as a permanant light clouding/misting across the panel to the naked eye. 

As for your Lunar, we'd need to see pictures of the patch to establish if this has gone too far now.   Often when they start to yellow around the edges, you can find the actual filler work in the centre of this patch which will of sunk, or more commonly started to micro-blister if you look very closely. 

 

I have no problem advising you if you send me a picture to enquiries@tourershine.co.uk if you are not sure.

 

Paul

Hi Paul,

Thanks very much for your reply. You obviously have lots of experience of this problem! Your knowledge and comments are very welcome, and you have opened my eyes as to what goes on in caravan factories!   Unfortunately my caravan is in undercover storage away from home at the moment, so photos would be difficult. I won't get the van back until next March.  When I took it in to my caravan man for its winter storage and service in late November,  he said he would get his bodywork specialist to have a look, apparently this guy specialises in caravan bodywork now, after many years of bodywork repairs and spraying of classic cars, so I'm hoping he knows what he is doing!  Looking at the area straight on, you can't really see the issue, its only when standing at an angle, you can see the lack of a gloss finish in that area, and the very faint "yellowing" you described in one small patch about 3" x 3"  I have inspected the rest of the van very closely, and cannot see an issue anywhere else on the van. As I have already asked my caravan man to have a look at it, and as I have been using him for the last 6+ years, I do feel obliged to wait and see what he says first. He is an Approved Workshop, and he has given me really excellent service since we have been using him. I will certainly keep all your details and contact you if I cannot get this resolved. Many thanks again for your expert advice, its much appreciated.

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