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Just received my ammended V5 for my V90 with the towing weight corrected. As I mentioned previously,  Volvo supplied the wrong information when registering a lot of new cars and the maximum braked weight is incorrectly shown as 750kgs. Volvo Customer Services were very helpful and supplied a letter for the DVLA. The whole process took four weeks.

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2018 Volvo V90 and 2018 Swift Sprite Quattro EB

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I had exactly the same problem with my XC60. Volvo were very quick to issue a letter.  DVLA were very slow to update the V5 and re issue. If I recall, it took something like 6 weeks 

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The manufacturers legal weight declaration is on the Vin plate who checks a  V5 .

 

 

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6 minutes ago, CommanderDave said:

The manufacturers legal weight declaration is on the Vin plate who checks a  V5 .

 

 

Dave

 

Any diligent owner checks that the V5 information is correct, thats who!

2018 Volvo V90 and 2018 Swift Sprite Quattro EB

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57 minutes ago, CommanderDave said:

The manufacturers legal weight declaration is on the Vin plate who checks a  V5 .

 

 

Dave

 

You don't have any experience of travelling abroad by car? 

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Legal declaration by a car manufacturer is the Vin plate across the world .

 

There is no such thing as a towing limit but a maximum train weight for a vehicle hence why we see manufacturers juggle payload and towing allowance .

 

Dave

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1 hour ago, CommanderDave said:

Legal declaration by a car manufacturer is the Vin plate across the world .

 

There is no such thing as a towing limit but a maximum train weight for a vehicle hence why we see manufacturers juggle payload and towing allowance .

 

Dave

 

Even if the towing limit is not legal constraint it still has warranty and product liability implications.

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Only exceeding a  plated weight have any effect on warranties . On another forum a number of car manufacturers were contacted on uprating trainweights and warranties and they came back with  the warranty is invalid if you exceed it .

 

 

Dave

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Warranty and product liability are of course affected if plated weights are exceeded, but also if the towing limit is exceeded. This is because the tensile forces acting on the towbar directly affect the durability of the towbar itself and that of the vehicle underbody structure, regardless of the gross train weight which only has a bearing on engine and transmission and braking performance.

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6 minutes ago, CommanderDave said:

 

The link that you refer to makes no mention of warranty or product liability. The latter is a completely different kettle of fish as it's nothing to do with any legal requirement.

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On 31/08/2019 at 10:52, CommanderDave said:

Legal declaration by a car manufacturer is the Vin plate across the world .

 

There is no such thing as a towing limit but a maximum train weight for a vehicle hence why we see manufacturers juggle payload and towing allowance .

 

Dave

The legal declaration is actually the Certificate of Conformity for vehicles that are Type approved.  In the US for FMVSS it's called something else, Declaration of Compliance or similar.

 

The statutory plate must have the sa.e information, but it is possible for the statutory plate to show many different masses, as is often the case with Semi trailers. This enables a trailer to be correctly plated to reflect local allowances or restrictions in all member states.

 

Each Type, variant and version of a towing vehicle is given a Towing limit by the manufacturer,  known as the Towable mass.

The Towable mass figure cannot be exceeded but could be substantially reduced by the Dc value of the towbar chosen for the vehicle.

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11 hours ago, Towtug said:

The legal declaration is actually the Certificate of Conformity for vehicles that are Type approved.  In the US for FMVSS it's called something else, Declaration of Compliance or similar.

 

The statutory plate must have the sa.e information, but it is possible for the statutory plate to show many different masses, as is often the case with Semi trailers. This enables a trailer to be correctly plated to reflect local allowances or restrictions in all member states.

 

Each Type, variant and version of a towing vehicle is given a Towing limit by the manufacturer,  known as the Towable mass.

The Towable mass figure cannot be exceeded but could be substantially reduced by the Dc value of the towbar chosen for the vehicle.

 

 

Towable mass .... Is that based on a fully laden or empty vehicle with no passengers ?

 

 

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On 02/09/2019 at 08:22, CommanderDave said:

 

 

Towable mass .... Is that based on a fully laden or empty vehicle with no passengers ?

 

 

Dave

It doesn't matter. It's what the manufacturers claim the vehicle can tow. 

The max combination weight takes Into account whether a tow vehicle is laden or otherwise.

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These towable masses are rubbish they are  misleading and confusing and lead people to tow illegally .

 

We have a thread at the moment were a owner is told his towing limit is 1300 kg but the plate only says 1000 kg as the towing limit is part of the payload so if he uses the 1300 kg what he is told he is over weight  . If people use these figures then they need to be to standard . The figures are just plucked out of the air based on perhaps one passenger or no passengers .

 

A few years ago we had a member bought a new car and caravan . The car was sold with a 1500 kg tow allowance and the caravan was 1450 kg Mtplm so he thought he was perfectly legal but when he read on hear about towing limits and payloads he found his allowance was only 1200 kg on the plate and the 300 kg was from the payload . So for a year or more he was illegally overloaded but no fault of his own .

 

This exaggerating towing masses needs to be stopped it started a few years ago but now it is spreading causing issue in all makes . Some Ssangyong vehicles have two plates now as owners took action on false claims and the trainweights was increased .

 

The clubs and NCC need to stop this confusing and creating a situation that owners are illegal ?

 

 

Dave

 

 

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53 minutes ago, CommanderDave said:

These towable masses are rubbish they are  misleading and confusing and lead people to tow illegally .

 

We have a thread at the moment were a owner is told his towing limit is 1300 kg but the plate only says 1000 kg as the towing limit is part of the payload so if he uses the 1300 kg what he is told he is over weight  . If people use these figures then they need to be to standard . The figures are just plucked out of the air based on perhaps one passenger or no passengers .

 

A few years ago we had a member bought a new car and caravan . The car was sold with a 1500 kg tow allowance and the caravan was 1450 kg Mtplm so he thought he was perfectly legal but when he read on hear about towing limits and payloads he found his allowance was only 1200 kg on the plate and the 300 kg was from the payload . So for a year or more he was illegally overloaded but no fault of his own .

 

This exaggerating towing masses needs to be stopped it started a few years ago but now it is spreading causing issue in all makes . Some Ssangyong vehicles have two plates now as owners took action on false claims and the trainweights was increased .

 

The clubs and NCC need to stop this confusing and creating a situation that owners are illegal ?

 

 

Dave

 

 

 

Is there any way round it?

 

The difference between the plated GTW and MAW is the maximum towing weight with the vehicle fully laden - but more can be legally towed if the vehicle is lightly laden - perhaps manufacturers should be banned from quoting towing limits, to force prospective owners to check the plated figures.

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What a number of respondents to this thread are forgetting  is that towload limits are not only there for caravanners, but for all trailers. It may therefore be perfectly legitimate, in certain specific circumstances, to allow a towload which is greater than the difference between gross train weight and gross vehicle weight.

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The Technicaly permissible Towable mass definition is as follows

 

Technically permissible maximum towable mass’ (TM) means the maximum mass of one or more trailers that may be towed by a towing vehicle which corresponds to the total load transmitted to the ground by the wheels of an axle or a group of axles on any trailer coupled to the towing vehicle.

 

So if you have an MTPLM of 1100kg  but an S value of 100kg , IE the axle load is 1100 minus 100, a towing vehicle with a Maximum permissible Towable mass of 1000kg would still be OK 

 

The  Max mass of the combination , the second figure on the statutory plate.  Is the sum of all of the masses on each axle and therefore includes the mass transferred to the tow vehicle by the coupler.

 

Technically permissible maximum laden mass of the combination’ (MC) means the maximum mass allocated to the combination of a motor vehicle and one or more trailers on the basis of its construction features and its design performances or the maximum mass allocated to the combination of a tractor unit and a semi-trailer.

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12 hours ago, CommanderDave said:

These towable masses are rubbish they are  misleading and confusing and lead people to tow illegally .

 

We have a thread at the moment were a owner is told his towing limit is 1300 kg but the plate only says 1000 kg as the towing limit is part of the payload so if he uses the 1300 kg what he is told he is over weight  . If people use these figures then they need to be to standard . The figures are just plucked out of the air based on perhaps one passenger or no passengers .

 

A few years ago we had a member bought a new car and caravan . The car was sold with a 1500 kg tow allowance and the caravan was 1450 kg Mtplm so he thought he was perfectly legal but when he read on hear about towing limits and payloads he found his allowance was only 1200 kg on the plate and the 300 kg was from the payload . So for a year or more he was illegally overloaded but no fault of his own .

 

This exaggerating towing masses needs to be stopped it started a few years ago but now it is spreading causing issue in all makes . Some Ssangyong vehicles have two plates now as owners took action on false claims and the trainweights was increased .

 

The clubs and NCC need to stop this confusing and creating a situation that owners are illegal ?

 

 

Dave

 

 

 

It isn’t that difficult to check the VIN plate, subtract the second weight from the top weight and have your answer - if you found a different figure on-line or indeed in your V5 then it’s also not that difficult to do some research.

 

If an owner can’t be bothered to do a very basic level of checking whose fault is that?

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7 hours ago, Towtug said:

The  Max mass of the combination , the second figure on the statutory plate.  Is the sum of all of the masses on each axle and therefore includes the mass transferred to the tow vehicle by the coupler.

 

Technically permissible maximum laden mass of the combination’ (MC) means the maximum mass allocated to the combination of a motor vehicle and one or more trailers on the basis of its construction features and its design performances or the maximum mass allocated to the combination of a tractor unit and a semi-trailer.

 

I'd just like to point out that for driving licence purposes, the mass of the combination is the sum of the plated GVW and the MTPLM of the trailer and neither the sum of all masses acting on each axle, nor the plated gross train weight.

 

It is unfortunate that the same term is being used for two different values.

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14 hours ago, Black Grouse said:

 

Is there any way round it?

 

The difference between the plated GTW and MAW is the maximum towing weight with the vehicle fully laden - but more can be legally towed if the vehicle is lightly laden - perhaps manufacturers should be banned from quoting towing limits, to force prospective owners to check the plated figures.

 

If a customer goes to a showroom and asks a salesman what caravan can he tow the salesman will check online and then he can be sold a caravan that makes him tow illegally and even tow match sites can give wrong information .

 

These quoted towing masses have now clouded the vehicles towing capacity and confused the owners unless you understand how it is calculated and you can only do that by looking at the plate .

 

 

We was better off before 2010 with no quoted figures and only the plate now it's smoke and mirrors exaggerating the capacity of the vehicles .

 

 

Dave

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12 minutes ago, CommanderDave said:

 

If a customer goes to a showroom and asks a salesman what caravan can he tow the salesman will check online and then he can be sold a caravan that makes him tow illegally and even tow match sites can give wrong information .

 

These quoted towing masses have now clouded the vehicles towing capacity and confused the owners unless you understand how it is calculated and you can only do that by looking at the plate .

 

 

We was better off before 2010 with no quoted figures and only the plate now it's smoke and mirrors exaggerating the capacity of the vehicles .

 

 

Dave

However the onus is still with the driver of the vehicle to confirm that the vehicle is suitable for towing the weight and that the driver has the correct type of licence.  TBH I would want the information in writing and confirmed by the manufacturer in writing.  Unfortunately we learnt the hard and expensive way not to trust any sales person no matter how polite and helpful they may be.  Shame that a few bad and greedy sales people spoil it for the genuine helpful sales people.

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31 minutes ago, CommanderDave said:

 

We was better off before 2010 with no quoted figures and only the plate now it's smoke and mirrors exaggerating the capacity of the vehicles .

 

 

The need to specify towload limits has applied ever since the introduction of vehicle type approval, and that has been in existence for over 20 years.

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The towing figures never appeared on the V5 until the new format was introduced in 2010 in the UK .

 

If your going to quote figures on a official document then they need to be set by a format that all car manufacturers follow .

 

Dave

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