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I recently saw a police van wave down four bikers who were riding large trikes.  The police officer told the lead rider that it is illegal to ride in convoy.  Is this true?  I know that motorists can be guilty of an offence if they impede following traffic and don't allow them to pass.  The roads here are narrow, with passing places.  Many locals get frustrated with rubernecking tourists but they do support the Highlands economy.  I thought she was rude, especially as the lead rider did not speak English!

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So if you are stuck behind a tractor and the convoy is half a mile long the police can prosecute the tractor driver and have done so in Somerset.

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I find most farmers will pull over where it is safe to do so and let the  other people pass.

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48 minutes ago, kelper said:

I recently saw a police van wave down four bikers who were riding large trikes.  The police officer told the lead rider that it is illegal to ride in convoy.  Is this true?  I know that motorists can be guilty of an offence if they impede following traffic and don't allow them to pass.  The roads here are narrow, with passing places.  Many locals get frustrated with rubernecking tourists but they do support the Highlands economy.  I thought she was rude, especially as the lead rider did not speak English!

 

I think it is more a issue of being more thoughtful to other road users in the Highlands and Islands by pulling over to the left or right into passing places to let others pass . As said it's give and take between locals and tourists .

 

 

 

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50 minutes ago, Durbanite said:

So if you are stuck behind a tractor and the convoy is half a mile long the police can prosecute the tractor driver and have done so in Somerset.

 

Think its called driving without reasonable consideration for other road users and it carries a fine.

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I said to one of the bikers, 'the police are asking you to leave a long gap between trikes so other vehicles can overtake one trike at a time'.  I guess they had been travelling below the speed limit of 60mph.  But, surely, travelling in convoy is NOT illegal per se?

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Travelling in convoy is not illegal, but due consideration for other road users must prevail, and the vehicles should be travelling at an appropriate speed for the conditions, and limits.

 

It would be wrong for a group (or convoy if you wish) to travel at 30mph in a place where a higher speed limit is in place and their actions cause long tailbacks to other road users.

 

The rules changed a while ago but it is still a grey area in places.

The new rules say that if you have 12 or more vehicles travelling together, then you must get a licence from one of the motoring organisations, which costs a lot !

However, if you have , say, 20 vehicles and send them off in groups of 10, then no restrictions, but, it is not known what mayhappen if the second group catch up with the first,,,,,,,,,,, 

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8 minutes ago, Brecon said:

Travelling in convoy is not illegal,

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Wasn't it only a few months ago that they were talking about fleets of "driverless" lorries which accelerate and brake at the same, with them all being controlled by the lead driver.

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I once got moaned at by a solo motorist because another caravan was behind me, he accused us of towing in convoy. Didn't know the other caravanner from Adam!

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Many moons ago whilst in the Army we used to drive in huge convoys every year from Dortmund to Benbecula in the Hebrides. We got a Police escort through the Netherlands but the German and British Police didn't bother.

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28 minutes ago, kelper said:

I said to one of the bikers, 'the police are asking you to leave a long gap between trikes so other vehicles can overtake one trike at a time'.  I guess they had been travelling below the speed limit of 60mph.  But, surely, travelling in convoy is NOT illegal per se?

It's not about being in a convoy, it's the manner of driving and behaviour etc. whilst in a convoy. As has been said, driving without due consideration for other road users is one offence. Another two are causing an unnecessary or causing a wilful obstruction of the highway.

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The police don't always follow the law.  you often see police motorcycle riders with their full-face helmets in the full open position.  When open, they are not certified.  but those four motorcyclists are not impeding anyone!  Or were there dozns of motorcycles and police vehicles?  It's hard to see.

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There are two issues with driving in convoy:-

1. Distance between; second and subsequent vehicles MUST have room to stop if the vehicle in front does.

2. There is no legal right to drive in convoy; even if the lead vehicle has priority in any given situation, subsequent vehicles MUST still give way if appropriate.

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1 minute ago, Legal Eagle said:

It's not about being in a convoy, it's the manner of driving and behaviour etc. whilst in a convoy. As has been said, driving without due consideration for other road users is one offence. Another two are causing an unnecessary or causing a wilful obstruction of the highway.

I accept that, but the police constable was wrong to say it's illegal to drive in a convoy!

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Does this apply to MAMIL’s taking part in a TDF peloton too? 

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1 hour ago, David 38 said:

I find most farmers will pull over where it is safe to do so and let the  other people pass.

 

I have yet to find a tractor that pull over whatever country I've been in

So who's Rubber Duck and where are the bears:lol:

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12 minutes ago, FrankBullet said:

Does this apply to MAMIL’s taking part in a TDF peloton too? 

Under some particular circumstances such as funeral processions and bicycle race peletons, anyone disrupting them by insisting on priority can be viewed as driving without due consideration. Does not apply though to drivers simply choosing to drive in convoy.

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Yes funeral convoys are a pain in the! Was probably ok years ago when it was not far from the house to the church, but now it’s miles to the crematorium and what difference does it make to the passenger they are dead anyway.

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2 minutes ago, Odd days said:

Yes funeral convoys are a pain in the! Was probably ok years ago when it was not far from the house to the church, but now it’s miles to the crematorium and what difference does it make to the passenger they are dead anyway.

I would not condone the way some funeral convoys are run, but the funeral is for the bereaved, not the deceased!

Then again, with my SIL being a motorcycle hearse rider I would say that wouldn't I?

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Yes, it is classed as "illegal" in some areas, the West midlands being one particular area and was created after anti-social behaviour by "car cruisers/racers".  These were a bunch of younger folks with modified cars (Japanese imports etc) that used to meet up and socialise at various places.  Typically, a minority started racing up and down the dual carriageway and the local council/police force/whoever decided to create a law banning the cruising of groups in convoy.

 

This does create problems for vehicle-interest groups, as some know I am into old American cars (owning a 1957 Ford Ranchero) and when travelling to an organised show it is usual for a few of us to go together in a convoy, but we now have to keep an eye-out for "enthusiastic law-upholders".  I'm not aware that anyone has actually been prosecuted for it but this was big news amongst car and bike enthusiasts a couple of years ago.

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Are we really moaning about funeral processions...

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Found it:  https://www.wolverhampton.gov.uk/parking-and-roads/car-cruising-injunction

 

Certainly NOT the same as a few enthusiasts driving in a convoy BUT there have been stories/comments from people being stopped for doing this.  I never have been stopped (I usually get a smile/wave/thumbs-up from the police, even being shouted by one to "floor it.....") BUT I am ever mindful of a small number of jobs-worths.

1 minute ago, FrankBullet said:

Are we really moaning about funeral processions...

 

A sure sign that the bottom of the moaning barrel is being well and truly scraped!

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That'd look good towing an Airstream! 

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"Cruising" and "convoys" are very different! Although "cruisers" do sometimes drive in convoy!

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