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First Ride On E Bike.

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Well had my first ride out on the Orbea Gain road bike. Cheeky wee 23 miles on quite a hilly road system. Being practically double the weight of my carbon Pinnacle thought I was in for a bit of bother..

 

Brilliant piece of kit.

 

Being the other side of 55 was starting to loose my cycling mojo especially when surrounded by so many hills that would challenge the more seasoned cyclists. 3 assist modes 1 being economy mode to preserve the inbuilt battery and assist 2 and 3 when things get a bit tougher. Also have a App on my phone that gives you all your information via Bluetooth from the bike. Speed , distance and battery gauge. Turned on Eco mode 1 and was on most of the trip and only had to go into assist 2 when I met a good 15 to 20 mph head wind that destroys all enthusiasm  but soon back down to one when the going got easier. My only criticism would be the weight on the rear wheel electric motor you don't half feel every bump on the road but being a racing road bike was half expecting this against the hybrid e range.  Once you stop pedalling the assist mode turns off and is like a ship dropping an anchor. Would have preferred the carbon frame but another £1000 :blink: maybe next time. If you want to keep your miles up and beat " The Hill "  for us ageing cyclist's this the toy for you. Looking forward to my Whitelees Windfarm trip on Monday being a 30 mile round trip.... So far so good...

 

GAS ... B)

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My wife bought the Carrera Crosspath Electric Hybrid Bike after we had tried a number of different ebikes, we at the moment live in Shotton North Wales so into England there are good reasonable level cycle paths, so when with my wife for first long ride, my bike is quite light with 24 speeds, her electric just 9 speed rear cog only, so found I could keep up on the flat, over take going down hill but she won on the hills, so all in all it allowed us to ride together.

 

The Carrera Crosspath as with all ebikes stops assisting at 15.5 MPH that's law, hence why I can keep up, it does not switch off assist but it gradually tapers off, it has levels of assist econ, standard, sports and boost, and the motor is central so works through the gears, think made of an alloy as not too heavy (24 kg).

 

However into Wales going towards Mold there are some long hills, not really steep, but at 67 I can't maintain it up the hills, so last week borrowed her ebike left seat hight alone as did not want to mess it up for her, and cycled from Shotton to Mold then to Chester where it was dropped off at Halfords for annual service.  Around 20 miles, the battery was still half charged and I am over 22 stone so a lot of work. Normal time Shotton to Bryn-y-baal (Mold) for me on my normal bike is 1 hour 15 minutes and at that rate I am about done in, would normally stop a few times and 1.5 hours is more normal, return 20 minutes or less, only 7 miles but it is a long climb though not that steep. So with ebike took 45 minutes, and I was still able to go further with out a rest it had does the hills well, speed in normal bike normally around 4 MPH on hills, ebike around 8 MPH I used the four settings like changing gear, so did not need to change gear so often, over rail bridge I would normally be in 1, 1, for gears, but with electric was in 5th. It would not climb the slope in top gear even with boost it does need you to change gears, but it made the hills of Wales like riding on the Wirral.

 

On trip to Chester I did reach 32 MPH however no way could I assist by pedalling, can't turn feet that fast, the gearing means in top 20 MPH is about the limit, can't turn pedals any faster.  Along side the River Dee really level and flat I would normally do between 8 and 12 MPH with normal bike, with ebike was doing between 12 and 14 MPH so very little in it.

 

I did try a cheap one from Motor world with motor in wheel, it worked well once moving, but gave no assist to start off, also tried folding one with in wheel motor more expensive and there was some start assist but no where near as good as the mid motor bike. And of course mid motor bikes can climb steeper hills.

 

This bike has a 400 Wh battery, many only have a 300 Wh battery, with my weight 22 stone it is good for around 40 miles, for lighter people or people with more energy it would go further, it says range up to 80 miles.

 

I have every intention of buying one for myself once we move, OK here I can go for a bike ride on the Wirral without getting off and pushing with a normal bike, but once I move then will need the electric if I am going to continue riding a bike.

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My neighbour has bought one and says its good, while a chap we know has one of the old type with the thumb accelerator, his will do 30mph without him using the peddles :blink:

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Wife bought me one last year, brilliant bit of kit.

After much research, settled on this :-https://whyte.bike/products/coniston

Motor in hub so it rides like a normal bike, really well designed and put together with quality components and loads of range.

Whip the battery off and it`s light enough to lift onto roof bars (had bikes in the vans before and it was a pain to get them in and out without damage, and used up the loading margin).

I managed to get `last years model`, which was brand new, identical except for a little flash of colour, and £700 off list price.

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They're all I seem to encounter these days, even folk younger than me (47), that's just laziness. My knees are shocking (6 Op's) but I'm determined not to buy an e-bike although I know that at some point if I want to keep cycling I'm going to have to get one.

You can't get a 'decent' normal bike for less than a grand so I'm guessing for a Billy Basic e-bike will be at least 2 grand+

 

I think this would do the job: https://www.canyon.com/en-gb/e-bike/spectral-on/2019/spectral-on-9-0.html

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You could price up a Swytch for your own bike ;) https://www.swytchbike.com/

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13 minutes ago, Paul_B said:

You could price up a Swytch for your own bike ;) https://www.swytchbike.com/

Thanks Paul, I’ll consider that when the time comes.

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5 hours ago, angus said:

Wife bought me one last year, brilliant bit of kit.

After much research, settled on this :-https://whyte.bike/products/coniston

Motor in hub so it rides like a normal bike, really well designed and put together with quality components and loads of range.

Whip the battery off and it`s light enough to lift onto roof bars (had bikes in the vans before and it was a pain to get them in and out without damage, and used up the loading margin).

I managed to get `last years model`, which was brand new, identical except for a little flash of colour, and £700 off list price.

 

Angus, you must have given the wrong link, as that appears to have a  Shimano Steps crank motor, not a hub motor?

 

 

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19 minutes ago, JTQ said:

 

Angus, you must have given the wrong link, as that appears to have a  Shimano Steps crank motor, not a hub motor?

 

 

No, it`s the correct link.....

I have had a senior moment, and my bike does have a Shimano Steps crank motor... DOH!

I did try a couple of bikes with hub motors but couldn`t get on with them (didn`t feel `right`,  and the front wheel drive ones felt extremely odd)

 

Thanks for pointing out my mistake:Thankyou:, it makes a change from my wife doing it:D.

 

If anyone is interested I got mine from Cycle Gear in Halifax, they will let you have one to try for a day by arrangement which is useful when you`re spending  over a grand.

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7 minutes ago, angus said:

No, it`s the correct link.....

I have had a senior moment, and my bike does have a Shimano Steps crank motor... DOH!

I did try a couple of bikes with hub motors but couldn`t get on with them (didn`t feel `right`,  and the front wheel drive ones felt extremely odd)

 

 

 

I certainly agree with your findings there, and would seriously suggest anyone thinking of an e-bike makes sure to try several, leaving their credit card at home till they have that accumulated experience.

 

 

The first play IMO can be seductive, after all there is something other than you sharing a big part of the effort of moving the bike. But, these things behave differently with different motor locations, and indeed the differing motor management systems used. Plus,  it is an expensive purchase, so try them ideally in the context you intend to use them,  particularly if use for severe hilly rides is contemplated.

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Before getting a mid motor bike I tried two with hub motors one was useless the other worked well, both fitted to original British names of bike, but expect not British any more.

 

I did not get the good one as on a folding bike and could not get into small wheeled bike, but the Raleigh motor pulled well from standstill. However the other bike you needed around 3 MPH before motor cuts in so no help starting off.

 

The Raleigh has walk assist yes it worked, but the take off with motor built into wheel is no where near as smooth as take of with mid motor, my only reservation is all power goes through the gears, so the gears do need setting spot on, I always carry a chain pin pusher so should a chain break I can shorten and repair it, although then limited use of gears. But the hub motors are cheaper.

 

Did look at the ones with drive belts not chains, however to renew drive belt you have to remove a section from the frame, as a result the weight limit is much lower than for a bike with chain and I am just too heavy.

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Yesterday was the first ‘Real Ride’ on m e-Bike

I bought a Giant Road E = 2 pro a couple of weeks ago from the Giant store in Shoreham by Sea. I rode it home a distance of some 24 miles. I didn’t switch on the power until I was about a mile from when I thought that I should check that it works.

Yesterday I set off on a club ride which started at Chichester 7.5 miles from my home, which I did without switching on the power. Three of us on the ride had electric bikes.

From Chichester Cross we rode to the Centurion Way, the base of an old railway line. This has a gentle climb (referred to as a false flat in racing circles) with a small kick up towards the end of the first section. I have done this section countless times over the last few years at a reasonable speed. Sometimes I drop down a gear for the kick, but most times just honk over the top without changing gear.

The electric bike is a very different kettle of fish! I started to drop back from the group and had to switch on the power to keep up, the extra weight was taking it toll. Weighing in at 25kg that’s probably twice the weight of the Specialized road bike I normally use.

Not having ridden it on a long ride before I kept a careful eye on how much battery power I was using and switched off the power whenever I could.

The motor switches off at over 15mph so on flattish roads when the peloton got moving, I was pushing harder than I would normally have to too keep in the group.

The E Bike only comes into its own on long steep hills. There are four power settings and I used eco the lowest setting whenever I needed to. On most club rides I will use my Specialised road bike and only use the E Bike on long rides over the downs.

It’s going to take some time to get used to it. Door to Door 74 miles with 3,900 ft of climbing.

Alan

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I've ridden many time from Worthing,through Shoreham and on to Brighton, and that's certainly a pleasant ride but I cannot say I've travelled much beyond the Arun the other way. I have biked around Hayling Island (which can be bracing along the front as can Selsey), and to Bosham (which can be wet if you get the tides wrong) but both are well worth the effort :) 

You're right about noticing the additional weight of "the electrics" but I have found that I ride most of the time with it effectively turned off as I naturally pedal above 15mph. I presume it's the same with yours in that the pedal-assist cut off speed can be set lower than 15mph if preferred.

It will vary with the weight of the person, and I know that thumb throttles are not allowed on new bikes now but as an experiment when I first got it I disabled the cut off and ran on just the throttle. With my bulk onboard the top speed was still only 17mph on the flat. I should say that the pedal-assist it is now permanently set to  cut out at 15mph as this is the maximum the law permits for road use.

Following a broken cycle frame caused by one pothole too many, the replacement frame is due to be delivered tomorrow, so I shall hopefully be transferring the electrics over to that later this week, so it will be interesting to see how it compares. Previously I had an all-electric range of around 35 miles and obviously much more without the assistance.

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