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Bailey say NOT to use Carnauba based wax on Phoenix, so what can I use?

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:goodpost:  :Thankyou:

 

Well as far as I’m concerned I am happy to follow the advice of someone who spends is working life keeping cars motorhomes and caravans shining like new.

 

Thanks Paul

 

Andy

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Thanks to John as on his advice we did the same.  Our caravan has been in storage since Christmas but yesterday when we checked it, it looked as if we had just washed it.

On a previous Lunar Delta TI we used Meguirs 3 step and the caravan came up looking great.  Lasted about 2 years and kept the caravan looking great. 

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3 hours ago, Paul_B said:

 

probably as the washing detergent would remove any polish anyway

 

I ran a car owners club (Mazda MX5) some years ago now.

One meeting we had the local Autoglym rep turn up and give us a Talk. One of his first comments was don’t EVER use Fairy Liquid type washing up detergents to clean your car. The reason being that they are designed to remove stubborn grease etc from saucepans, they are powerful detergents/degreasers and are very good at removing grease etc. 

 

They are also VERY good indeed at removing any polish/wax/surface treatment from your car!!! Which, when you think about it makes excellent sense.

What you need is a product specifically designed for car cleaning as they have the “right stuff” to remove dirt and grime but NOT polish/wax/surface sealant.

 

What he DID say is that if you want to strip all the gunk off your car and get down to the paint/lacquer in order to redo the finish then a good squirt of decent washing up liquid in a bucket of warm water will do the job admirably! (Followed by a VERY thorough rinse) 

 

Folowing the very comprehensive post from Tourershine I will continue to use SRP.

 

(And yes I DO realise it’s a polish and not a wax :rolleyes:)

 

Andy

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We used washing up liquid in the water when flattening paintwork prior to repainting, it makes the water wetter but also removed wax and contaminates, as for polishing a car/caravan, polishing is a word we used for both polishing compounds and for wax polishing.  We know there's a vast difference in polishes, from compounds to swirl fillers and in the final protective coatings, but its a bit like hovering the inside of the car after going to the seaside despite using a dyson or vax.

 

Also salt is a very efficient electrolyte if corrosion is desired :)

 

 

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22 hours ago, Mr Plodd said:

:goodpost:  :Thankyou:

 

Well as far as I’m concerned I am happy to follow the advice of someone who spends is working life keeping cars motorhomes and caravans shining like new.

 

Thanks Paul

 

Andy

 

 

Just Caravans and Motorhomes as a business thankfully.

 

I'd never step into the car detailing business simply because it's a saturated industry and hard to make a good living from.   Many people just cannot see or justify the added value in the sort of things we do, making vehicle detailing and paint correction a very tough business to be in, unless you have huge flashy premises.

 

My passion is mainly the Restoration work we carry out, which accounts for around 85% of what we do now.  The transformation from dull, discoloured and tired looking Caravans and Motorhomes, to a showroom fresh finish is very rewarding, even still now, 10 years later. 

 

Paul

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I often wonder what you can do to a Bailey?   Don't paint anywhere underneath,  don't drill a hole,  don't polish , what can you do ? It's wonder your allowed inside ?  I do what I like.

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I asked the question on the Bailey stand at the NEC on Friday, and the response was that no one knows where it really comes from, but that it is potentially due to colour fade differences between GRP and plastic (sides are GRP ends are plastic)

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1 hour ago, Guzzilazz said:

I asked the question on the Bailey stand at the NEC on Friday, and the response was that no one knows where it really comes from, but that it is potentially due to colour fade differences between GRP and plastic (sides are GRP ends are plastic)

 

Sadly an inaccurate response we hear from many manufactures, or dealers that simply don't actually know the why's and what's, and just guess. 

 

Bailey haven't had a plastic front and rear panel since around 10 years ago with the older Senator, Pageant and Ranger.  It's all GRP apart from the lower 'bumper' panels, which are ABS. 

 

Maybe if the manufactures are not sure what to use, or why things change colour, or fade, or don't fade, or even how to stop all this from happening, they should call someone who can school them, because that's what they do everyday :rolleyes: instead of giving owners confusing, conflicting and often frankly daft aftercare advice. 

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On 20/02/2019 at 21:15, JCloughie said:

 

But Andy.  You also said you would go along with the polish that Tourershine recommended.

 

John

 

 

Polish is abrasive.... Use Meguiars 56 Marine RV Pure Wax Carnuba Blend ..... Use wax only after surface has been cleaned & restored to a “like new” or “average” finish,  Durable high gloss protection for all fibreglass gel coat marine of RV surfaces. Blend of pure Brazilian carnauba wax with silicones, polymers and resins to maintain extraordinary gloss and protection. Protects against the sun’s ultraviolet rays

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9 minutes ago, watcha said:

Polish is abrasive.... Use Meguiars 56 Marine RV Pure Wax Carnuba Blend ..... Use wax only after surface has been cleaned & restored to a “like new” or “average” finish,  Durable high gloss protection for all fibreglass gel coat marine of RV surfaces. Blend of pure Brazilian carnauba wax with silicones, polymers and resins to maintain extraordinary gloss and protection. Protects against the sun’s ultraviolet rays

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Which was my point.

 

However your example is not too good as you suggest Carnuba which Bailey say not to use.  It's a minefield.


When you look at it there is many conflicting comments on this thread.  Not helpful to anyone.  I could list them but  I wont as I have had my wrists slapped. 

 

John

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On 19/02/2019 at 20:49, Mr Plodd said:

Just about to slather some Carnuaba wax onto my new Phoenix to give it a decent protective coating and I spotted in the handbook that Bailey specifically state NOT to use the stuff (by name!) 

 

So can anyone suggest a suitable wax (as good as Carnuaba) that I CAN use??

 

I am not looking for a polish, but a wax or similar to give a bit of protection from the elements. 

 

Thanks

 

Andy

 

On 19/02/2019 at 20:49, Mr Plodd said:

Just about to slather some Carnuaba wax onto my new Phoenix to give it a decent protective coating and I spotted in the handbook that Bailey specifically state NOT to use the stuff (by name!) 

 

So can anyone suggest a suitable wax (as good as Carnuaba) that I CAN use??

 

I am not looking for a polish, but a wax or similar to give a bit of protection from the elements. 

 

Thanks

 

Andy

 

On 19/02/2019 at 20:49, Mr Plodd said:

Just about to slather some Carnuaba wax onto my new Phoenix to give it a decent protective coating and I spotted in the handbook that Bailey specifically state NOT to use the stuff (by name!) 

 

So can anyone suggest a suitable wax (as good as Carnuaba) that I CAN use??

 

I am not looking for a polish, but a wax or similar to give a bit of protection from the elements. 

 

Thanks

 

Andy

 

On 20/02/2019 at 13:46, VOLVOVANNER said:

I agree Super Resin Polish does have a mild abrasive action plus contains ‘fillers’ which mask for example swirl marks in paint (having improved them via the mild abrasive also) and is very good but as has been said it requires a wax over the top to give it some longevity. Autoglym also manufacture Extra Gloss Protection specially for this use which is a sealant (easy to apply and remove too) and this seals in the benefits of the SRP.

I have used both for may years on cars and aluminium sided caravans + my grp (silver) sided caravan for last 4 years. I do however use a specialist grp polish (applied by hand) on the grp front panel.

There's only one Bobby Dazzler-----cheers OMF😉

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So in a moment of “Nothing better to do” I emailed Bailey and asked them why I shouldn’t use Carnauba based wax, Their reply was.......

 

 

Thank you for your email.

 

We do advise to use a good quality wax. The advice given in regards to the use of carnauba was should have been omitted from the handbook and I will pass this on to our handbook team and we do apologise for any confusion this may have caused. In regards to cleaning products please visit the Prima website. https://www.primaleisure.com/

 

Couldnt make it up could you??

 

Andy

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Been using this product for years. On all three Bailey vans.  

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AutoKit-5L-Waterless-Car-Wash-Cleaner-Carnauba-Wax-Body-Polish-Shield-Shine/320922555585?epid=2060338421&hash=item4ab87994c1:g:Fg4AAOSw8gVX5nAo&frcectupt=true

 

Brilliant stuff and yes it contains carnauba wax.  Works equally as well on the caravan windows or your car.  But do not under any circumstances use it on the car windscreen.  Not even a cloth that has been used with the Polish.   You will not see where you are going when it rains.  

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I've just been and bought a gallon of concentrated wash and wash (Carnauba wax) for the caravan, as well as silicon for the awing rail and carb cleaner for the hitch and towball, not long now :)

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That's why I use the 3M marine polish , it has no Carnauba in it , but a high Teflon content a Silverback suggested. It's easpecially for GRP surfaces and for protection of colour , does not have a high abrasive content either.

 

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29 minutes ago, James Donald said:

That's why I use the 3M marine polish , it has no Carnauba in it , but a high Teflon content a Silverback suggested. It's easpecially for GRP surfaces and for protection of colour , does not have a high abrasive content either.

 

 

If you read my previous post you will see that Carnauba wax IS suitable.

 

Andy

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Finished polishing the Unicorn today ... Happy days !IMG_20190505_131342158_HDR.thumb.jpg.07fa9a7924ea03bb84597e8709f987f1.jpg

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