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Ever Wondered Why Some UK Seaside Councils Put Height Barriers on Car Parks?

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38 minutes ago, oldboy said:

Most barrier is about 2.5 m.

Many are  2.2m. I cannot even get my car under if I have the top box fitted.

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Saw these today...'living the dream', looks more like a post apocalyptic Mad Max nightmare to me.

 

Of course you could always camp on a Lidl car park. I don't know if you can read the sign but it says campervan parking welcome. Not sure if that means overnight though.

 

The other problem is, when you need fresh water and have to leave your spot, you are likely to loose it, so you need to find a tap somewhere and fill up your fresh water tank and then as many other containers as possible, then rush back!

 

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5 hours ago, Stevan said:

Many are  2.2m. I cannot even get my car under if I have the top box fitted.

Plenty around here marked at 2.1 metre

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21 hours ago, Janine00 said:

Having been a caravanner since my late teens until 10 years ago, and more recently buying a VWT25 for what I hoped would be a good long while I have to respond to this.    

 

I am 61 and have been disabled for the last 6 years (Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Fibromyalgia - so still have some, though small amount of mobility and energy).       In the time we have had the T25 I have parked in farm fields, pub car parks and friends driveways mostly - always with the permission of the owner/landlord.     I have only once parked in a small car park down south for one night before hubby and I continued our drive to the Love Supreme Festival.    

 

In all this time I have seen a few other small camper vans like ours parked in car parks where there were no height barriers in the UK, but as they are now relatively rare and difficult to find, I find that acceptable.

 

I sincerely hope we don't start to see pictures like the above in the UK.....  hopefully the climate will be enough to put them off.     I agree with Gordon above, but as I worked for a local authority for over 27 years I would add further....    Unless the councils are given money to police such as a 2 night rule, then we should not rely on them to do so.  Their money is being slashed on caring for the elderly, people with learning disabilities, people with long term mental health conditions and all and sundry other people - they will simply not be able to police such policies!     Don't rely on the police to do so either - their funding has also been slashed.   So.…   do we pay our own wardens etc?...…    Don't look at me - I'm lost too...   ;-p

 

 Just a thought...…    J

Our Council Tax is the most expensive bill we have to pay, and its going up by about 6% this March. We do not want the local council to spend more of our money. Every year for all the years on record the councils have increased their expenditure - whatever government has been in power. We have had enough of it.

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Interesting to know that about the height barriers - looking online that would still allow a few of the smaller campervans in provided they did have pop up roofs.

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7 minutes ago, whoozzem said:

Interesting to know that about the height barriers - looking online that would still allow a few of the smaller campervans in provided they did have pop up roofs.

Yes, but they also exclude some of the taller SUVs and MPVs! 

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I had to lower my LR suspension to get into one underground carpark in Luxembourg.  Inside was fine but they had  metal bar at 1.85m. on entrance.

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9 hours ago, whoozzem said:

Just how low are the height barriers these days?

9 hours ago, oldboy said:

Most barrier is about 2.5 m.

8 hours ago, Stevan said:

Many are  2.2m. I cannot even get my car under if I have the top box fitted.

2 hours ago, Easy T said:

Plenty around here marked at 2.1 metre

1 hour ago, ericfield said:

I had to lower my LR suspension to get into one underground carpark in Luxembourg.  Inside was fine but they had  metal bar at 1.85m. on entrance.

Any advance (or do I mean reduction?) on 1.85 metres?

It appears there is no standard and in fact I have also been in a to car park where there was a height barrier on the exit that was LOWER than the one on the entrance! Deep joy when you're in a 4x4 that just fitted under the entrance barrier but was then trapped.

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2 hours ago, ericfield said:

I had to lower my LR suspension to get into one underground carpark in Luxembourg.  Inside was fine but they had  metal bar at 1.85m. on entrance.

Underground or multi storey carparks are a little different in that the height limit is often set by the physical structure of the building, particularly at the bottom of ramps where longer cars can have two wheels on the floor but the other two part way up the ramp.

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On 15/02/2019 at 16:06, bobthevanman said:

We changed from a motor home to a caravan because of the lack of parking caused by height barriers. As with Frank we saw a guy who forgot he had 2 bikes on the roof, oops.

 

Don't they have camp sites you could pay to use? 

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24 minutes ago, John_b_45 said:

 

Don't they have camp sites you could pay to use? 

Not much help if you are out off site for the day though!

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11 minutes ago, Easy T said:

Not much help if you are out off site for the day though!

 

HaHa  Wonder if you need wellies to walk around the place! 

Can just imagine the dogs barking, the kids playing football, the parents drinking mainly because they either can't get out or dare not get out for fear of holidays ending!

Beggars belief.

The pic below shows that a simple barrier can end the pollution caused by motor home "parasitic" parking. 

This is in France where motor homes have countless parking specifically set aside for them.   

The number of times we have paid for our site and gone out in the car only to find parking with no height restriction frequently being used by the motor home fraternity, canopy out, vehicle levelled and chocked.  Not just a few hours parking.

Pic shows the benefit of a barrier in popular areas. 

 

 

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On 25/02/2019 at 17:15, Blackhart said:

 

Of course you could always camp on a Lidl car park. I don't know if you can read the sign but it says campervan parking welcome. Not sure if that means overnight though.

BH

 

 

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That's a Lidl advert on a campsite hoarding not a Lidl car park

 

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Ern...   my point was that Councils are overwhelmed with having to pay care bill for people who now live in this country, so they cannot afford to pay for policing 'wild camping' - however people choose to do it.

 

For the record, I don't wild camp - I gain owner permission for wherever I decide to stop overnight, except for one night I had to sleep in my van when my daughter was in hospital in Bristol as I live in the midlands.

 

I thought I was agreeing with the fact that I don't wish to see this sort of 'wild camping' happening in Britain....   maybe I did not make myself clear enough....   sorry for any crossed wires.  J ;)

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2 hours ago, beejay said:

 

That's a Lidl advert on a campsite hoarding not a Lidl car park

 

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Why not as many of them use LIdl and other supermarkets car parks for camping for days on end.

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35 minutes ago, Janine00 said:

Ern...   my point was that Councils are overwhelmed with having to pay care bill for people who now live in this country, so they cannot afford to pay for policing 'wild camping' - however people choose to do it.

 

 

Do you think the Councils have been caught out then?  

Are we talking about recent residents or those born and bred in the UK? 

 

Just a tad confused as to who you are talking about?   The "now" seems odd! 

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Hi John....   sorry - no, not a recent thing.  Most governments and have know for years that we were going to get to the point we are now.  There have been plenty of well documented government white papers on this, including the original (Derek) Wanless Report in around 1999.

 

This situation has been building for many years, mainly, in my maybe not so humble opinion, due to lack of our government wanting to do anything about immigration amongst many other things (being elected members etc), which has exacerbated this situation.   

 

I am not much of a politically minded person, being a nurse by profession and having never had much time for politicians, but this is something that is dear to my heart having two daughters who both have ADD and (one of them) fairly severe literacy problems.   Add to this that I have worked within my own local authority as a non nursing specialist for some years, and you may get a small understanding of my background.

 

Hope this has helped clarify, and hope no-one takes offence at my straight talking.

PS - my husband was 'born and bred' in this country - his family having been with some of the original people who were 'invited' over from Jamaica in the 50's.

 

Also, my written English is not the best - fingers go ahead of my brain :P

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26 minutes ago, Janine00 said:

Hi John....   sorry - no, not a recent thing.  Most governments and have know for years that we were going to get to the point we are now.  There have been plenty of well documented government white papers on this, including the original (Derek) Wanless Report in around 1999.

 

This situation has been building for many years, mainly, in my maybe not so humble opinion, due to lack of our government wanting to do anything about immigration amongst many other things (being elected members etc), which has exacerbated this situation.   

 

I am not much of a politically minded person, being a nurse by profession and having never had much time for politicians, but this is something that is dear to my heart having two daughters who both have ADD and (one of them) fairly severe literacy problems.   Add to this that I have worked within my own local authority as a non nursing specialist for some years, and you may get a small understanding of my background.

 

Hope this has helped clarify, and hope no-one takes offence at my straight talking.

PS - my husband was 'born and bred' in this country - his family having been with some of the original people who were 'invited' over from Jamaica in the 50's.

 

Also, my written English is not the best - fingers go ahead of my brain :P

No worries Janine00. Enjoy!

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On 27/02/2019 at 19:26, Janine00 said:

Hi John....   sorry - no, not a recent thing.  Most governments and have know for years that we were going to get to the point we are now.  There have been plenty of well documented government white papers on this, including the original (Derek) Wanless Report in around 1999.

 

This situation has been building for many years, mainly, in my maybe not so humble opinion, due to lack of our government wanting to do anything about immigration amongst many other things (being elected members etc), which has exacerbated this situation.   

 

I am not much of a politically minded person, being a nurse by profession and having never had much time for politicians, but this is something that is dear to my heart having two daughters who both have ADD and (one of them) fairly severe literacy problems.   Add to this that I have worked within my own local authority as a non nursing specialist for some years, and you may get a small understanding of my background.

 

Hope this has helped clarify, and hope no-one takes offence at my straight talking.

PS - my husband was 'born and bred' in this country - his family having been with some of the original people who were 'invited' over from Jamaica in the 50's.

 

Also, my written English is not the best - fingers go ahead of my brain :P

 Nothing whatsoever wrong with your brain or your fingers Janine.   Was just curious to know what you were meaning.  Good to hear that you are sharing your expertise with your local council too. 

 

Without mentioning any topical debate - if you can stretch a point and call it a debate - there are many of us who have lost faith in politicians.  The "elected members" point certainly applies to many at the moment - decisions/allegiance etc  swayed by personal and political gain and not the future of our country. 

 

I hope your husband's parents were not caught up in the recent scandal too. 

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Back in October, 2018, my wife and I returned from a 3.5 month trip in the UK and Ireland in a motorhome. We have a 4wd and caravan at home, so the motorhomes (one in Ireland and a different one in the UK) were a new experience for us.  We did Ireland for 18 days, then we had 3 months in the UK. 

 As far as the bars over the carparks go, we found Ireland to be worse than the UK. We passed through quite a few villages simply because we couldn't find a park anywhere. Early in our trip, I turned into one carpark, only to be confronted by one of these things (which I had never seen before, we don't have them in Australia), and had to do all sorts of  mucking around to turn around. We were told it was to stop 'travellers' meaning gypsys I presume, but we never saw any. It seems to me they are to stop m/h's setting up camp for the night, which I can understand. We always used paid caravan parks, so it was frustrating for us to be barred from a walk around a village, and the village misses out on our custom (ie, money).

The narrow roads in Ireland caused us some very anxious moments, with semi's bearing down on us along what seemed to be little more than paved goat tracks, flanked either side by laser cut greenery right upto the edge of the tarmac. The left hand mirror didn't last longer than a couple of days, being smashed when I moved over slightly (not off the tarmac) to let a semi pass. It was smashed by something hidden in the greenery. To top that, the power people hide the power poles in the greenery on the very edge of the tarmac just to make sure no mirror will escape! From then on, my wife was a nervous wreck, and kept up a constant monologue of ' watch the mirror, watch the mirror' (even though it was in bits).

I took a wrong turn up one road, and in turning around, I backed into one of the millions of stone fences and slightly bent the bumper. Bang goes $1000, even though we knew the hire company weren't going to replace the bumper!

 

In the UK, we fared better with no mirror or bumper casualty's over the 10 weeks we had it. But parking was still a nightmare. Maybe we were too sensitive or something.  I remember in Hexam, we drove into town, but then out again and found a park at the railway station, which was fine with a little walk back into town. Once we had walked back into town, I saw a m/h looking for a park, He just pulled up in what seemed to me a very 'rude' spot, got out and walked away without a care in the world. I'd never do that here, but maybe it is different in your country, as nobody batted an eyelid!

 

In Wells (my wife wanted to look at the cathedral), which is as low as we managed to get (will return next year to do Cornwall, but sans m/h!) we stumbled about with the m/h. We turned into what we thought was a car park, but was, in fact, a bus depot. We were quickly evicted, but I did ask the bloke where I could park. He pointed up the road. There were only three oversized parks in the public carpark, all full of course. We ended up in a supermarket carpark, so turned out Wells(ha, ha). From now on. it will be air B&B's and a little car when we next visit the UK!

 

We are spoiled here I guess, as none of our towns suffer from medievilness, so there is always a big wide street not far from town to park our rig in.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, ddcman said:

 Back in October, 2018, my wife and I returned from a 3.5 month trip in the UK and Ireland in a motorhome. We did Ireland for 18 days, then we had 3 months in the UK. 

Your experience regarding the lack of parking facilities for motorhomes in the UK and Ireland match my experience too. Basically outside of campsites caravans and motorhomes are so often not welcome. Like you, I fail to see why this is as all tourists are a potential income source for local businesses, regardless of where they choose to sleep - also like you I  have driven on from places I would like to have stopped, had there been appropriate parking available.

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2 hours ago, Gordon said:

Your experience regarding the lack of parking facilities for motorhomes in the UK and Ireland match my experience too. Basically outside of campsites caravans and motorhomes are so often not welcome. Like you, I fail to see why this is as all tourists are a potential income source for local businesses, regardless of where they choose to sleep - also like you I  have driven on from places I would like to have stopped, had there been appropriate parking available.

Gordon.  

Like in many cases, it is a minority that have spoiled it for the majority and I must admit I can understand councils for trying to stop motorhomes from parking up in villages.

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2 minutes ago, Durbanite said:

Like in many cases, it is a minority that have spoiled it for the majority and I must admit I can understand councils for trying to stop motorhomes from parking up in villages.

Very true unfortunately.

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Some good friends of ours went from  a caravan to a motorhome,then back to a caravan. They found it was too difficult to park it anywhere other than on campsites,which made visiting places difficult.

Most of the car parks in our area,especially at public parks have height restrictors, one or two have dedicated motorhome and coach parking. Not for overnighting.

I suspect the main reason is to keep the "much loved travellers"away!

Last year a bunch of euro travellers took over Shrewsbury park and ride . Not the usual transits and twin axles but very posh cars and vans.

Soon after a couple of the domestic variety pitched in the middle of The Range carpark! Bit of an inconvenience for customers!

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