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HI

Have seen a caravan on Autotrader, contacted the seller, and will view it this weekend. My concern is that he has asked for either cash or bank transfer, the address he has given me is for a storage facility in the middle of an industrial estate. I have no personal details for this person, address, phone number, surname. Does any of this sound normal or am i being overly cautious. Also how do i find out if tha 'van is finance clear, any advice would be appreciated.

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Any private sale has to involve an element of trust both ways, and I can understand him not trusting a cheque. Many caravans are kept at storage facilities with nowhere at  home to put them. What would worry me is if it is a general storage facility rather than a specialist caravan storage site. I would also ask for proof of ID.

If it has a CRiS number this can be checked out.

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I wouldn't, it has the hallmark of seagull selling. 

They want the security of the money, explain that you want the security of knowing they are the owner of the caravan and not a finance company or even someone else.

If I was selling I'd have all the details available for the buyer.

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Nothing unusual in selling privately from a storage site or in not accepting a cheque. But do not pay anything upfront without seeing the van first, no matter how plausible the story.

 

Money can be transferred instantly via a mobile phone these days so paying shouldn't be a concern. Checking ownership of the caravan should be.

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I too would be wary but location wouldn't frighten me.

 

Geoff

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Treat it the same as a second hand car. ..service history etc-if you know somebody with caravan knowledge ask if they could accompany you.

Ask the keeper to have it powered up so you can see everything working before you even go to inspect it.

As previously mentioned ask to see paperwork and the CRiS certificate.

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Thanks to all for the advice, would a CRiS check prove ownership and that there was no finance outstanding. Also, whats seagull selling? The caravan is a Swift Kudos 530sb 2015 asking £13000, this seems to be a bargain to me, is it too good to be true?

Cheers Mike

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I would agree only to make payment at the sellers home address! If the seller does not agree then walk away!

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Be wary of the price is significantly below market value. If something is too good to be true, there is nearly always a reason.

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1 hour ago, jarv said:

Thanks to all for the advice, would a CRiS check prove ownership and that there was no finance outstanding. Also, whats seagull selling? The caravan is a Swift Kudos 530sb 2015 asking £13000, this seems to be a bargain to me, is it too good to be true?

Cheers Mike

 

Someone at the seaside pointing to seagulls and selling them at £5 each

 

 

sea%20gull1[1].jpg   here's one for £4.50

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Lots of sellers are wary (rightly) of being scammed by dodgy buyers, just as you are rightly wary of the reverse.   Use your instincts as well as trying to cover yourself. If the  seller seems genuine and can show you his/her original receipt from Preston Caravans and Motorhomes, plus service receipts (look at the latest damp report, just in case) and CRiS registration there’s a good chance they’re genuine. Can they show you photos on their phone of the van pitched up while they’ve been away? With photo id to back up the address on the receipt, you’ve pretty much covered everything you could do. I’d be wanting to make sure there’s no outstanding finance on the van too.  

 

A genuine seller will will have no concerns about this, and will probably be reassured that you’re a genuine buyer.  

 

Without knowing if this is your first venture into caravanning, check EVERYTHING is is working properly. You definitely need to see 240v power to the van, you want to see the heating, water, fridge, lighting, oven and hob working. On gas and electricity where applicable.  If you aren’t confident yourself, do you have a caravan savvy friend who can check it over for you? If not, you could ask a local mobile caravan service company to check it for you for a small fee.  

 

We have a 2016 version of the same van, and it’s everything we wanted it to be. We love it. Without saying exactly what we paid for ours, PCM gave us a pretty healthy discount off list, so an asking price of 13 grand seems a pretty fair price, it allows for reasonable depreciation and doesn’t sound either silly cheap or stupidly overpriced to me.  

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Being a bit bored this morning, sat on my own in the caravan while Kay’s working in Manchester, I’ve just looked the van up on autotrader and done a bit of lateral thinking.  

 

As as far as you can tell from pictures, it looks nice and clean, the pics showing it loaded, and with the accessories add confidence. It’s clearly in a dedicated storage yard, you could gave a quiet word with the staff there to make sure the seller is a long term customer.  And if they turn up with a car that matches the personalised registration plate on the caravan, that helps. The reg plate is used as a username on trip advisor, and has reviews of caravan parks.  

 

Its a landline phone number on the advert too, not a mobile.  

 

If it were me, I’d be happy to proceed, but I’d be cautious.  

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Thanks again for all the advice, special thanks to Fireman Iain, you raised things i hadnt thought of and reassured me a little, and yes a complete newbie to caravaning, I'm sure everthing is kosher, just dont want to make an expensive mistake.

Thanks again 

Mike

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Caveat emptor. Enough said.

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I think Iain has got it spot on.  

It looks a nice van but it does look a bargain at the price with all the extras in the ad. You can but look and check with CRiS. Also, if you look and like the van, go to the buyers home address to check if this matches the CRiS documentation.  The seller may have all the bills of sale if you contact them to put your mind at rest.

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My son bought a Kudos 530FB 2016 model last September.

This was a 2016 model, originally supplied brand new in August 2016, and fitted with extras of ATC, Powrtouch Mover and tyron bands, and with first service having been carried out in September 2017.

The original purchase invoice was supplied along with the bill for the service carried out the week before he got it, and the CRiS certificate. There was also proof from the Finance Company that the loan had been repaid.

The warranty was transferred to him and Swift confirmed the service record.

He paid £11,500 for it, which was the value the original owner had been offerred in part exchange against a motorhome.

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23 hours ago, charlieboy2608 said:

Treat it the same as a second hand car. ..service history etc-if you know somebody with caravan knowledge ask if they could accompany you.

Ask the keeper to have it powered up so you can see everything working before you even go to inspect it.

As previously mentioned ask to see paperwork and the CRiS certificate.

CRiS certificate doesn't necessarily need to be there, I refused to pay the fee to get my cert, it is registered there though with me as the owner.

 

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26 minutes ago, AJGalaxy2012 said:

CRiS certificate doesn't necessarily need to be there, I refused to pay the fee to get my cert, it is registered there though with me as the owner.

 

Does give extra peace of mind though if it is present ;)

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3 hours ago, charlieboy2608 said:

Does give extra peace of mind though if it is present ;)

Agreed Im just saying it doesn't make it suspicious if its not there.

 

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Hi 

Me again, the Swift Kudos got sold before I had chance to see it, not a happy bunny.  Now, more problems for you to sort for me, found a swift challenger 584, from a dealer, who is going to service it and give 12 months warrenty, all sounds good, however the caravan is stolen and recovered, what should i ask, and look out for, had excellent advice the last time, hope you all can repeat that.

 

Cheers Mike

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Main advice this time.

 

Be very careful.

 

What damage was done to steal the caravan, and has it been properly repaired? Stolen can be anything from hitched to a van and driven away with no damage (fairly unlikely) to the other extreme of having electrical systems ripped out to isolate alarms and trackers, and heavy duty tools being used to cut or pry off security devices. And thieves aren’t going to take care not to damage things, they’ll just want to be away as fast as possible.  

 

I’d want it to be silly cheap compared to other comparable vans, like 30-40% cheaper to even consider it. And then I’d be looking double hard and asking lots of searching questions.  

 

There’s a lot of caravans out there that don’t come with the potential problems of this one.  

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I would also want a guarantee (written) from the dealer that no previous owner or insurance company would have a claim on the caravan.

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Thanks for replies, advert states no damage, should i take that at face value.

 

 

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Even if its cheap, I would walk away. You just don't know what you're potentially letting yourself in for. Why didn't the owners want it back if it wasn't damaged?

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No. Buyer beware applies to caravans as well as anything else bought second hand.

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