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- until someone with a suitable licence can come and retrieve them.

 

 

or the rightful owners. ...........

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But Joe Soap will see them as normal irresponsible caravanners who hold up the traffic.

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As the content of this link will probably be unavailable in the future, for those interested I have copied the text of the report below. Hopefully it will act as a reminder to others who may be tempted to do the same.

 

Two caravans have been seized by police after coming to officers' attention as they were driven up Sutton Bank.

 

Caravans are prohibited from going up or down that part of the A170, between Thirsk and Helmsley, due to its steep gradient and hairpin bend.

 

An alternative route is clearly signposted through Coxwold and Ampleforth.

Sutton Bank

At 10am on Monday June 5, officers stopped two caravans which had travelled up the bank. It then emerged that neither driver had the correct licence to tow the caravans anyway.

 

Both drivers were reported for driving other than in accordance with their licences, and the caravans were seized by police - until someone with a suitable licence can come and retrieve them.

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No mention of seizing the towing vehicles for being driven other than in accordance with their licences? :o

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They had a correct licence to drive the vehicles but not the correct licence to tow the caravans so they would not allow them to proceed with the caravans .


Insurance would have been affected not having a licence .


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Cheek! I tow my caravan with a Mitsubishi L200 truck.

 

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- until someone with a suitable licence can come and retrieve them.

 

 

or the rightful owners. . . .. . .. . .. .

 

 

 

What about the appropriate prosecutions that should by-rights - follow ?

 

They will probably plea that they cannot read and then get sent to Adult Education Classes and progress through to a Law Degree at the tax payers expense.

Life in general can be a journey of chance with some winners and sadly some losers. Your outfit can never be left to chance. A short-while carrying out essential checks can ensure a long-time of happy & safe caravanning for all concerned.
Ignorance can often be bliss but is certainly not an excuse and when continually disregarded they can be totally disastrous for oneself and the innocent parties.

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I wonder whether ownership of the caravans was checked?

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They live in their caravans, therefore they are "proper" caravanners. . That said, they broke the law on two counts and should have their caravans impounded and sentenced by the courts.

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They live in their caravans, therefore they are "proper" caravanners. . That said, they broke the law on two counts and should have their caravans impounded and sentenced by the courts.

 

They only live in their caravans if they have purchased them and have receipts to prove provenance,if they haven't and or can't then they are not their caravans but belong to someone else.

Life in general can be a journey of chance with some winners and sadly some losers. Your outfit can never be left to chance. A short-while carrying out essential checks can ensure a long-time of happy & safe caravanning for all concerned.
Ignorance can often be bliss but is certainly not an excuse and when continually disregarded they can be totally disastrous for oneself and the innocent parties.

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They live in their caravans, therefore they are "proper" caravanners. . That said, they broke the law on two counts and should have their caravans impounded and sentenced by the courts.

 

 

 

If you take away their caravans they are entitled to their human rights as they are their homes and they would then qualify for housing .

 

They know the law I bet .

 

 

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Why is it there is lot of assumptions without knowing the Facts?

Indeed, in the past I used to regularly pull a friends caravan with the works transit when we did trade shows. And I know a few trades people who work away and live in a caravan for the duration who also tow with "commercial" vehicles.

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On the other hand, they are more than likely "travellers", and will therefore, not be found to give them any fine, etc :rolleyes:

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I've just Googled Earth the route to see what the fuss is all about. The warning signs relate to HGVs, which got stuck 74 times, but does not state what year. No mention of caravans using it. But believe me, this is a piece of cake to what we did in the 1980s. There were four of us adults in a 1300cc Peugeot 305 and pulling a luggage trailer which had all our camping gear (that's when we had a frame tent). We were driving to Yugoslavia (Lake Bled area), and took the wrong turn in Austria, and drove over the Julian Alps. We ended up driving up a road with lots and lots and lots and lots of hairpin bends, with a rock face on one side (thankfully our side) and on the other, no railings to stop anyone coming the other way from going over the edge. All we could manage to see down below was a haze as we climbed higher and higher. It was the only time that I didn't take any photos (I was at that point not wanting to breathe in case it took us over the edge - the road was fairly narrow). My OH, who was doing the driving, was running out of gears, it was mainly first gear all the way up. My sister-in-law in the back had her head buried in her knees all the way. There was even thought that we'd have to get out and walk. Anyway, we did make it, whew, and still think its a pity not to have taken any photos, but I will not go there again. Coming back, we went the correct way, which was by slightly entering Italy, back into Austria/France :D

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I've just Googled Earth the route to see what the fuss is all about. The warning signs relate to HGVs, which got stuck 74 times, but does not state what year. No mention of caravans using it. But believe me, this is a piece of cake to what we did in the 1980s. There were four of us adults in a 1300cc Peugeot 305 and pulling a luggage trailer which had all our camping gear (that's when we had a frame tent). We were driving to Yugoslavia (Lake Bled area), and took the wrong turn in Austria, and drove over the Julian Alps. We ended up driving up a road with lots and lots and lots and lots of hairpin bends, with a rock face on one side (thankfully our side) and on the other, no railings to stop anyone coming the other way from going over the edge. All we could manage to see down below was a haze as we climbed higher and higher. It was the only time that I didn't take any photos (I was at that point not wanting to breathe in case it took us over the edge - the road was fairly narrow). My OH, who was doing the driving, was running out of gears, it was mainly first gear all the way up. My sister-in-law in the back had her head buried in her knees all the way. There was even thought that we'd have to get out and walk. Anyway, we did make it, whew, and still think its a pity not to have taken any photos, but I will not go there again. Coming back, we went the correct way, which was by slightly entering Italy, back into Austria/France :D

 

The A170 Sutton Bank is the steepest hill on a primary route in the UK. Caravans are banned because of one particular hairpin bend which can easily catch them out. HGV's aren't banned, but there have been many accidents on it involving HGV's, and there are signs warning of this.

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I'm sure that some of todays combinations can manage it but heres the sign

 

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I'm sure that some of todays combinations can manage it but heres the sign

 

 

Car towing limits are tested on a 12% gradient - Sutton Bank is 25% so much more demanding if you get baulked by a slow moving vehicle at the steepest point - and it takes a lot of control to go down a 25% with a caravan on the back.

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Car towing limits are tested on a 12% gradient - Sutton Bank is 25% so much more demanding if you get baulked by a slow moving vehicle at the steepest point - and it takes a lot of control to go down a 25% with a caravan on the back.

 

Its not only the gradient that's the problem its also the hairpin bend halfway up, the weather also plays its part in making it particularly tricky at certain times of the year.

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I deliberately stopped my X-Trail on a 1 in 4 and restarted with some front tyre scrabble and a little sawing of the wheel. A little under 1500kg on the hitch. Would I wish to drive up Sutton Bank? No ta.

 

When I stopped I knew that I could make the climb without stopping but as the road was reasonably wide and not much traffic, good visibility for and aft I thought that I would find out if a restart was possible.

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Cheek! I tow my caravan with a Mitsubishi L200 truck.

 

BH

 

Do you bother with towing mirrors?

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