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I've just been sculling around in the nether portions of my new car's handbook and came across a section headed 'Operating Weight'.

 

It says 'This value is only a guide value and corresponds to the lowest possible operating weight without further weight-reducing equipment(e. g air conditioning, spare wheel etc). It also includes a weight allowance for the driver (75kg), the weight of the operating fluids and a fuel tank filled to 90% capacity.

 

Note If required you can find out the precise weight of your vehicle at a specialist garage.'

 

They then list the operating weights for all the Yeti powertrain variants but make no allowance for the various trim levels.

 

My 1. 2TSi DSG comes in at 1360kg (whereas Honest John say the Kerbweight is 1285kg) and they go right up to the 2 litre 4X4 DSG at 1585kg operating weight.

 

I suspect that the operating weight of my SE Drive model must be quite a bit more than the 1360kg listed due to the additional kit fitted to the car.

 

I presume the reference to 'weight-reducing' is a rather clumsy way of saying that the weight is with 'now't taken out'.

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In my 2012 Octavia Estate 4x4 handbook it makes reference to kerbweight, which includes 75kg driver and 90% fuel, but there is then no other mention of kerbweight. In the tech. specification for my car, it then states 'unloaded weight ready for work' 1,495kg, that is the same weight on the V5C mass in service. B)

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Škoda Octavia Estate 2. 0TDi 4x4 towing a Compass Omega 482.

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Judging by their explanation, what Skoda call 'operating weight' (heaven forbid, another term) is actually the same as 'mass in running order'. As such it wouldn't make any allowances for trim level because mass in running order is defined for the base trim level without any further optional equipment.

 

Any published kerbweight figure should be taken with some reservation because few actually interpret kerbweight as it is defined in UK legislation. Furthermore, there is no requirement to document kerbweight anyway.

 

In my 2012 Octavia Estate 4x4 handbook it makes reference to kerbweight, which includes 75kg driver and 90% fuel, but there is then no other mention of kerbweight. In the tech. specification for my car, it then states 'unloaded weight ready for work' 1,495kg, that is the same weight on the V5C mass in service. B)

 

According to UK law, kerbweight does not include 75kg for the driver, but it does include a full fuel tank, not just 90% full.

 

Presumably 'unladen weight' is what is meant by 'unloaded weight ready for work', but that, according to UK legislation is a 'dry' weight, without any fluids, i. e. no fuel, no oils, no engine coolant, etc. Therefore unladen weight is never the same as V5c mass in service.

 

Why, oh why, can't manufacturers, and for that matter, other sources, stick to the definitions as they are laid down and not create their own interpretations or even, as in the case of Skoda, new terminology, which only lead to confuse?

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The only correct way of obtaining a Kerbweight is take an empty vehicle and 90% fuel to a weighbridge and get out and then check the weight and add 68 kg after for the driver allowance. This will give some indication of the weight but that will change if and when you have a 30 kg towbar fitted .

 

Or

 

You can just think of a number and have a guess like car manufacturers do .

 

As Lutz said until Kerbweight has some meaning in law car manufacturers do their own thing .

 

 

Dave

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68/75Kg for the driver?

 

I wish. .....

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68/75Kg for the driver?

 

I wish. . . .. .

 

Kerbweight doesn't include the driver so it doesn't matter if he weighs 68, 75 or 150kg.

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Kerbweight doesn't include the driver so it doesn't matter if he weighs 68, 75 or 150kg.

 

But if you don't include the driver and you are a disciple of the 85% "rule" [ ;);) ] then you can't tow quite as heavy a caravan!

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But if you don't include the driver and you are a disciple of the 85% "rule" [ ;);) ] then you can't tow quite as heavy a caravan!

 

That follows, yes, but what's the point of bending the 'rules' to get a more favourable result just to be within 85%? It's like some who work out their weight ratio using actual figures. That may appear to be more realistic, but then it's not what the recommendations are based on and one can no longer compare the result with the 85% figure. It would be like comparing apples with oranges.

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Many European manufacturers follow European directive 95/48/EC which includes the driver at 75 kg but some don't to confuse the issue . It is always worth finding how it is calculated when looking at a Kerbweight which is usually buried at the bottom of the page in the brochure or at the back .

 

 

Dave

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In the end, all that really matter are the plated maxima. The stability of the outfit is unaffected by how the kerbweight is calculated.

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Many European manufacturers follow European directive 95/48/EC which includes the driver at 75 kg but some don't to confuse the issue . It is always worth finding how it is calculated when looking at a Kerbweight which is usually buried at the bottom of the page in the brochure or at the back .

 

 

Dave

 

Yes, but the European directive 95/48/EC doesn't define kerbweight. In fact, it doesn't even mention the term kerbweight.

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That follows, yes, but what's the point of bending the 'rules' to get a more favourable result just to be within 85%? It's like some who work out their weight ratio using actual figures. That may appear to be more realistic, but then it's not what the recommendations are based on and one can no longer compare the result with the 85% figure. It would be like comparing apples with oranges.

 

Sorry, Lutz, I could not resist making the comment in jest [English humour thing], sharing very much your views on the UK's obsession with the 85% weight ratio.

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In the end, all that really matter are the plated maxima. The stability of the outfit is unaffected by how the kerbweight is calculated.

 

Actual weights are more important . My outfit is over 100% ratio but by the time I pack a freezer, washing machine,and the Cadac and kit about 300 kg and sometimes it can also include a inflatable boat and outboard engine .

 

 

Dave

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Actual weights are more important . My outfit is over 100% ratio but by the time I pack a freezer, washing machine,and the Cadac and kit about 300 kg and sometimes it can also include a inflatable boat and outboard engine .

Dave

:) What all that in the caravan, blimey I bet there's no room for the bikes and the patio set ;)

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:) What all that in the caravan, blimey I bet there's no room for the bikes and the patio set ;)

 

No more room in the car after that lot and I then fill any gaps with cans of lager an cider . The advantage of having a large pickup with a rear hardtop with over 1000 kg payload you can fill it to the top . Your right the bikes go outside on a rear bike rack but the patio set can go in the caravan as that has about 350 kg payload .

 

Dave

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That doesn't leave much for the hot tub and Bechstein grand piano.

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That doesn't leave much for the hot tub and Bechstein grand piano.

 

 

I am going to have to reduce with the new MH and car with about 400 kg in the MH itself after passengers and another 400 kg in the car behind .

 

 

Dave

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And don't forget the water in fresh and waste tanks in a MH.

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And don't forget the water in fresh and waste tanks in a MH.

 

 

20 litres fresh water is in the initial Kerbweight .

 

 

Dave

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Elddis Crusader Storm 2000 Kgs, Unipart Royal Atlas Mover .

 

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My Adria Compact had tanks of something like 120 litres of fresh water and 100 litres of waste. With them full that was 220kg of payload gone straight away. Not that it;s advisable to travel with them full.

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but to settle down and write you a line.

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That doesn't leave much for the hot tub and Bechstein grand piano.

And there's me thinking I am the only one carrying a grand piano!!!

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