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Our caravan has 185 R14c 104/102 tyres fitted and are soon to be renewed due to being over 6 year old, i can only find one tyre dealer that stocks GT Kargo tyres with this load rating all others only stock 102/100 load rating. Baileys wont commit to whether the lower value is suitable or not but to check with tyre specialists, They do stock Security brand but many tyre outlets are reluctant to guarantee fitment of brands from other suppliers. Does anyone know of brands that make this size and rating other than of chinese origin ?.

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Our caravan has 185 R14c 104/102 tyres fitted and are soon to be renewed due to being over 6 year old, i can only find one tyre dealer that stocks GT Kargo tyres with this load rating all others only stock 102/100 load rating. Baileys wont commit to whether the lower value is suitable or not but to check with tyre specialists, They do stock Security brand but many tyre outlets are reluctant to guarantee fitment of brands from other suppliers. Does anyone know of brands that make this size and rating other than of chinese origin ?.

102 rating is 850kg load to each tyre.

Therefore the maximum load would be 850kg times 2 = 1,700kg. but It is recommended that the maximum vehicle load does not exceed 90% of the combined tyre load capacity. So in reality the maximum MTPLM will be 1,530.

So does your caravan exceed this figure?

If not then 100/102 ratings will be fine.

By the way - I have just fitted GT Maxmiler radials (£60 each fitted & balanced rated 100/102) to my caravan which has a MTPLM of 1,450kg.

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Black circle have loads of tyres for vans, mine are due to be changed 185/80 R14 (102). I'm leaning towards Bridgestone @ just under £70 each.

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Can you use extra load tyres like on a van. I have them on my van pumped to 50psi and each tyre rated to 1000kg

Not specifically for caravans but should be the same duty load ?

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MTPLM is 1500 single axle.

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Looks like other caravanners never seem to have problems finding the correct tyres by the number of responses to this topic.

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Looks like other caravanners never seem to have problems finding the correct tyres by the number of responses to this topic.

 

I just point and the van or car and tell the tyre man to sort it. :unsure:

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I put your size in Google and they leapt out.

https://www. tyreleader. co. uk/car-tyres-185-R-14-104-N/

https://www. tyreleader. co. uk/car-tyres/maxxis/cr-967-trailermaxx/185r14c-104-102n-216485

When I had a Bailey it had Trailermax and that was the brand I had fitted by my Bailey main dealer.

What does your Bailey dealer stock and fit?

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Most, if not all, caravans as standard come with whatever suitable tyres the van or chassis maker could get a good deal on at the time. They have no brand loyalty, so we don't need to either.

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All the brands on the internet that have the 104/102 load rating are of chinese or asian manufacture and some have poor reviews, fitting quality tyres are important to ensure safe and reliable travel as failure could be dire to the caravan and other road users

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I think you'll find that the majority of tyres are manufactured in China or Asia because it's cheaper than making them in the West. That also goes for major manufacturers.

Don't forget that the majority of these factories were set up by the likes of Michelin Dunlop Firestone etc in the 1950's so they are not newcomers to the game.

I can remember when Bridgestone were considered cheap and nasty. Look at them now.

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All the brands on the internet that have the 104/102 load rating are of chinese or asian manufacture and some have poor reviews, fitting quality tyres are important to ensure safe and reliable travel as failure could be dire to the caravan and other road users

What's wrong with this lot ? http://www. blackcircles. com/order/tyres/search?&width=185&profile=80&rim=R14&speed=R&loadratings=102

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The load rating is not 104/102.

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The load rating is not 104/102.

The load rating is 102 on all of those tyres.

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Tyres are load rated for a reason and in my case they have to be 104 for the weight of caravan.

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MTPLM is 1500 single axle.

102's are suitable.

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From the Tyresafe website 102 load index tyres can carry 1530kg.

104 load index can carry 1620kg.

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If money were no object I would fit these https://www. tyreleader. co. uk/car-tyres/nokian/hakka-c-van/185r14c-102-100s-32950

 

I use GT Radial Maxmiler 99 load index on my 1500kg van and I've never had a problem in thousands of miles all over Europe.

If they would fit my wheel arch I would get these https://www. tyreleader. co. uk/car-tyres/gt-radial/maxmiler-pro/185r14c-102-100r-619933?utm_source=compare&utm_medium=google-shopping&utm_campaign=tyre&gclid=CL_NwJqBzNMCFcHNGwodZNgGfA

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As I said before my tyres need changed . I was very happy to go with 102 . . on my tyres it says 185R14C 104/102N. I then found a YouTube video and the guy was stating that the first number (104) was for single axle vans and the 2nd number was for twin axles. I contact black circle and they said it was a minimum and maximum number, nothing to do with how many axles you have .

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If that is Black Circles explanation then their technical teams knowledge worries me.

The reason for the two different figures i. e. 102/100 is that the first figure is for a single wheel on an axle and the second (lower) figure is for a twin paired wheel on an axle.

It has nothing to do with twin axles.

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Load and speed markings on commercial tyres

These inter-related markings are always shown together. They are known as the 'Load Index' and the 'Speed Rating Symbol', and reference the following information:

Load index is a numerical code which shows the maximum load a single tyre can carry at the speed shown by it Speed Rating Symbol. There is often an optional reference which shows the load a twinned pair of tyres can carry at the speed shown by it Speed Rating Symbol.

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If that is Black Circles explanation then their technical teams knowledge worries me.

The reason for the two different figures i. e. 102/100 is that the first figure is for a single wheel on an axle and the second (lower) figure is for a twin paired wheel on an axle.

It has nothing to do with twin axles.

Extract :-

Load and speed markings on commercial tyres

These inter-related markings are always shown together. They are known as the 'Load Index' and the 'Speed Rating Symbol', and reference the following information:

 

Load index is a numerical code which shows the maximum load a single tyre can carry at the speed shown by it Speed Rating Symbol.

 

There is often an optional reference which shows the load a twinned pair of tyres can carry at the speed shown by it Speed Rating Symbol.

I just used the chat thing on black circle again, got a different guy . . this is what he said.

 

Paul:

Hi there

Let me check that for you

The complete tyre size would be 185/80 R14 - 102 is the minimum load and 104 is the maximum load rated tyres you can fit - I'm afraid, we do not have tyres available with a load rating of 104 in this size

We only have tyres with a load rating of 102

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What the hell is the minimum load I wonder - probably a load of cobblers :)

Anway, as a load index of 104 is difficult to get for your wheel size I suggest that you settle for 102's which will be adequate for your caravan.

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This what the guy said at the end.

 

Me: Does the load have anything to do with the number of axles ?

Paul: No, however it is advisable to match across the axle with the same load rated tyres to ensure optimum performance from the vehicle

Me: Thanks again . . a great help

Paul: No problem at all

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Just got an email from black circle . .. I believe the 102 8 ply tyres will be fine however if it is the 104 tyres you require you may need to provide the full tyres size (including the profile) so I can see if we have any available.

 

Is this mince or is he right?

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