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This Gov sites seems to have a serious error, or a large number of us are towing illegally;

https://www. gov. uk/towing-with-car/car-towing-weight-and-width-limits

To quote:

"Width and length
The maximum trailer width for any towing vehicle is 2. 55 metres.

The maximum length for a trailer towed by a vehicle weighing up to 3,500kg is 7 metres. This includes the A-frame."

The Caravan Club's handbook Technical information page 654 quotes:

"Overall body length not exceeding 7 mts, excluding drawbar and coupling".

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Nearly 1 st of April .

 

Do government websites ever get it right ?

Written by someone not aware of the legal length of max body length is 7m .

 

Dave

Edited by CommanderDave

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It's because the legislation refers to "excluding any drawbar" and civil dis-service numpties don't recognise that an "A-frame" is a form of "drawbar".

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Even in the IVA trailer manual it quotes maximum trailer length 7000 mm and nothing about drawbars .

 

 

Perhaps our powers should get this sorted out with this confusing 7 M rule or finally come in line with EU ?

 

 

 

 

Dave

Edited by CommanderDave

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To be fair to Civil Servants most of this is contracted out including the DVLA so they are just numpties as is the proof reader, long gone are the days where government officials wrote or compiled data for web sites. Should they be incorrect the method of correcting then is long and tortuous, there is more disinformation on government websites than the Kremlin produced during the cold war :D

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Did you click the "is there anything wrong with this page? at the foot of the page?

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Did you click the "is there anything wrong with this page? at the foot of the page?

 

Yes. If others do the deluge if that is what we can generate, might just get somebody doing something, hopefully positive.

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To be fair to Civil Servants most of this is contracted out including the DVLA so they are just numpties as is the proof reader, long gone are the days where government officials wrote or compiled data for web sites. Should they be incorrect the method of correcting then is long and tortuous, there is more disinformation on government websites than the Kremlin produced during the cold war :D

Ah, so thats who is running the D. V. L. A. !

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Did you click the "is there anything wrong with this page? at the foot of the page?

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I went through all of the . gov vehicle pages and the IVA manuals on Nov 27th last year and reported 14 errors and mis-leading statements . I checked them again in January and nothing had been changed. I suppose they are waiting to have a consultant on an inflated fee tell them, rather than believe what this one was prepared to tell them for free.

Even in the IVA trailer manual it quotes maximum trailer length 7000 mm and nothing about drawbars .

 

 

Perhaps our powers should get this sorted out with this confusing 7 M rule or finally come in line with EU ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dave

 

The EU don't set our tax rules. The 7m length thing isn't a vehicle regulation, it defines the length originally where a mobile home turned into a static. The mobile attracts VAT and originally the static didn't. This changed in the budget a few years back, I think it's the case that 7m+ vans attract a lower rate but it may have changed again since.

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Also done.

 

Did you click the "is there anything wrong with this page? at the foot of the page?

 

Mike.

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I went through all of the . gov vehicle pages and the IVA manuals on Nov 27th last year and reported 14 errors and mis-leading statements . I checked them again in January and nothing had been changed. I suppose they are waiting to have a consultant on an inflated fee tell them, rather than believe what this one was prepared to tell them for free.

 

The EU don't set our tax rules. The 7m length thing isn't a vehicle regulation, it defines the length originally where a mobile home turned into a static. The mobile attracts VAT and originally the static didn't. This changed in the budget a few years back, I think it's the case that 7m+ vans attract a lower rate but it may have changed again since.

 

 

But the tax never stopped them when they had to come in line with EU on widths in 2010.

 

 

When nobody can get it right and breakdown companies and insurance companies are the same and seem confused quoting 7m maximum lengths .

 

 

 

Dave

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Did you click the "is there anything wrong with this page? at the foot of the page?

 

 

Done

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But the tax never stopped them when they had to come in line with EU on widths in 2010.

 

 

When nobody can get it right and breakdown companies and insurance companies are the same and seem confused quoting 7m maximum lengths .

 

 

 

Dave

The 7m overall length limit quoted by some recovery services, eg Green Flag, includes the drawbar - perversely the CC has arranged that 7m means body length for Mayday (operated by Green Flag) members, paying for a bigger vehicle if necessary.

 

Confusion reigns outside DVSA as well as within.

 

VAT is charged at the lower rate - if the width exceeds 2. 55m or the length exceeds 7. 0m "Note that these measurements exclude towing bars and any similar apparatus used solely for the purpose of attaching the caravan to a vehicle"

 

https://www. gov. uk/government/publications/vat-notice-70120-caravans-and-houseboats/vat-notice-70120-caravans-and-houseboats

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The 7m overall length limit quoted by some recovery services, eg Green Flag, includes the drawbar - perversely the CC has arranged that 7m means body length for Mayday (operated by Green Flag) members, paying for a bigger vehicle if necessary.

 

Confusion reigns outside DVSA as well as within.

 

VAT is charged at the lower rate - if the width exceeds 2. 55m or the length exceeds 7. 0m "Note that these measurements exclude towing bars and any similar apparatus used solely for the purpose of attaching the caravan to a vehicle"

 

https://www. gov. uk/government/publications/vat-notice-70120-caravans-and-houseboats/vat-notice-70120-caravans-and-houseboats

 

In 2010 the width changed from 2. 3 to 2. 55 M and the VAT had to change to meet the new EU width so why can the length not be changed . Remember the regulations state you can still have a maximum 18m outfit length for a vehicle under 3500 kg so why restrict a body length to 7 M .

 

 

 

Dave

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In 2010 the width changed from 2. 3 to 2. 55 M and the VAT had to change to meet the new EU width so why can the length not be changed . Remember the regulations state you can still have a maximum 18m outfit length for a vehicle under 3500 kg so why restrict a body length to 7 M .

 

 

 

Dave

There's little demand to increase the UK body length restriction - partly because few sites have pitches big enough.

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There's little demand to increase the UK body length restriction - partly because few sites have pitches big enough.

 

So people with motorhomes over 8 m have no sites ?

 

Most sites have pitches for longer units and the CC have a 10 M limit . Sites might be restricted but still alot of sites to choose from .

 

 

 

Dave

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So people with motorhomes over 8 m have no sites ?

 

Most sites have pitches for longer units and the CC have a 10 M limit . Sites might be restricted but still alot of sites to choose from .

 

 

 

Dave

Of course there are some with larger units, and some pitches that will cope - just not many that's all I'm saying - and little demand to increase them for caravans.

 

Not all CC club sites can cope with anything over 7m body - and of those that can, there's a restricted pitch selection if over 7m.

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Did you click the "is there anything wrong with this page? at the foot of the page?

yes.

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What is written on that page is a guide and not law however either way they should get it correct.

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To be fair to Civil Servants most of this is contracted out including the DVLA so they are just numpties as is the proof reader, long gone are the days where government officials wrote or compiled data for web sites.

 

 

What proof reader - are they still used? More like somebody just knocks out the prose on a computer and hits "print"?

 

In truth, it is probably just a typo in that the word 'includes' should have been 'excludes'.

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I think this may have been posted elsewhere, but have a look at this.

 

http://www. ntta. co. uk/law/law/dimensions. aspx

 

Seems to me, they should know what they're talking about. Even if the Government doesn't.

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Showed the wife the article and told her we could not go home and would have to stay in the caravan till they changed the regulation, but she was not buying that idea. :D

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The EU don't set our tax rules. The 7m length thing isn't a vehicle regulation, it defines the length originally where a mobile home turned into a static. The mobile attracts VAT and originally the static didn't. This changed in the budget a few years back, I think it's the case that 7m+ vans attract a lower rate but it may have changed again since.

 

That makes sense regarding the length but never seen it quoted before.

 

 

Edit: Just done a check. C&U dimensions were in use before the tax on mobile homes was introduced. Whilst it is true that the tax split was based on 7m it was because Construction and Use Regs defined the maximum length for a trailer, towed by a vehicle 3500kg or less, as 7m and HMRC used this as the basis for their definition between mobile home and trailer caravan.

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