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I love the idea of one day having a Discovery or Range Rover however the wife thinks they are ugly. Sorry but I married her and have to put up with this.

 

What I do not understand and what my question is. If these cars are so capable, why is the Defender still so popular? It looks uncomfy, unrefined, out of date, noisy, drafty.

 

It must have some redeeming feature's.

 

 

John

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It's all of the above, but they are just great. They go anywhere, and they are a classic shape.

You have to have one or driven one. Spent and drive many miles in a v8 station wagon towing a 2. 5 tonne cherry picker. Effortless, and would happily drag it across fields as well as burning kids in their boy racers off at the lights if needed!

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There's just something about them, if you'd had one you'd understand.

 

We love them in our house. We've had 14 Series Land Rovers and Defenders, our current ones probably won't be our last.

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I read this week that they were to continue manufacture in another L/Rover factory but not in the UK

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What I do not understand and what my question is. If these cars are so capable, why is the Defender still so popular? It looks uncomfy, unrefined, out of date, noisy, drafty.

 

It must have some redeeming feature's.

 

 

John

 

John . ..... you are so right . ..... but . ..... my Td5 . .... is not too un-comfortable, or noisy or drafty . .... it does, how-ever, leak . ....

. .... just abit . .....

 

BUT . ... it's great . .... when you have one . .... you just fall in love with them . ....

 

I first started driving them when I was in Africa . .... they would go any-where . .... a mechanic in the middle of now-where could

fix them . .... if they did go wrong.

They are cheap, reativly, to mend . ....

 

A true work-horse . ....

 

Cheers

 

Pete

 

p. s. I'm on my 5th

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Because they have "STYLE" & "ATTITUDE"

 

But the series one 80" is the greatest

Edited by Disco Kid

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Xtrail gave me a contented satisfied feeling, it's nice to be in a minority not one of the herd.

 

My mates dad used a LR to deliver livestock to market, for a living, he thought it was great, I thought it was a pile of rubbish, but it did the job of towing which not many cars could back then.

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I read this week that they were to continue manufacture in another L/Rover factory but not in the UK

It's a possibility - but no possibility of importing those models into Europe - the Defender has already used up it's 5 years of grace given to existing Type Approvals after the safety standards were increased for all models.

 

The Defender assembly is very labour-intensive so there is some attraction of assembly in a low-cost country and any revenue for Tata Group would be welcome as Defender development costs have long been paid for.

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TBH there a few places a Defender can go that a series 1 or 2 Discovery can't. Their only advantage is slightly higher ground clearance and better departure angles, especially with a towbar fitted. Indeed, a Defender 110 is more likely to end up with its wheels in the air.

 

Having had to drive a SIII as an AA patrol in the 70s, I relish the comfort and sophistication of my Discovery 2 and am confident I can go anywhere I want to.

 

I'm afraid people who buy Defenders to drive on the road are suffering from an excess of style over function.

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Not a LR fan any more but those Defenders can go anywhere and spares are readily available even in the middle of darkest Africa. Also easier to do a roadside repair than most modern vehicles although thsi might have changed.

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Classic motor - mind you I'd love a series 1 :)

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In our region (Northumberland) the Defenders are being targeted for spares by thieves, doors

wings, wheels in fact anything on them, so you owners take care.

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The modern Land Rovers are much more comfortable than the old 'Defender' style vehicles and much more suited to domestic duties and can do all the things that the ordinary 'man in the street' could want. In my late teens/early twenties I was a keen caver and pot-holer and tired of ripping the exhaust off my Frog eyed Sprite on farm tracks I got an ex-army 1956 86'' Mk. 1 soft top Land Rover ( the SUV hadn't been invented then! ) and it was ideal for my outdoor persuiting sort of life. It was fun to drive, strong and very reliable with not much to go wrong but not at all sophisticated. Later I got a Mk 2A 1964 88'' version with the hard top with posh sliding windows and seats in the back. I enjoyed these vehicles but I don't need their capabilities any more and so I'm happier driving more comfortable cars. So, in my case it's a matter of 'bin there, dun that'!

 

John. :)

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Classic motor - mind you I'd love a series 1 :)

But are they classics, are they indeed still original - the ease with which major assemblies can be replaced, as the have to be by all accounts, including chassis, axles, as well as bodywork and obvious things like engines means you'd have to question whether it's original.

 

Bit like Trigger's broom, 3 new heads and 2 new handles but still the same old broom - new chassis, 2 new axles, 3 new engines but still the same old Series I

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I expect the main advantage of having one is no-one will ask you for a lift or to take them to the airport cos they're so uncomfortable! Having said that we loved our old long wheel base landy for carting dive gear around and taking fish to market - very easy to clean - just stick the hosepipe in the back!

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Ran 110s as an extra, recreational vehicle, for 17 years till pressures in retirement for a more refined long haul tow vehicle "forced" a change.

 

Still desperately miss running one.

 

As has been said you have to like them enough to buy one in the first place, then IMO you and yours are almost certain to be hooked, quirks and all. See them being an even better investment now than all three of mine were. The last at 11 years from buying new, I sold for a few pounds more than half its original list price; not had many vehicles come close to that low depreciation figure.

 

From your opening post they are not for you, leave them to those who can appreciate them, there are a lot of us out there throughout the world.

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I used to drive one of these in work many years ago. I think it was a V6? It was used as a cabling vehicle and was used as a workhorse. Rattly, uncomfortable and with no creature comforts at all. That said, it would go almost anywhere, happily towing a winch, cable trailer (complete with a 2 ton cable drum) or an air compressor without complaint.

 

As for being able to strip it down and rebuild it anywhere, didn't the Army used to do exactly that during the Military Tattoo? I remember them doing that with a field gun, (strip it down, carry it over an obstacle course and then rebuild it), but I'm sure I remember them doing something similar with a Land Rover. There again, I'm getting on in years now, so maybe my mind is playing tricks.

 

Mike :blink::blink:

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Having driven Defenders, Range Rovers and Discoverys, I never found anything to love about the Defender. IMO the Defender should be consigned to the scrap heap of history like all the other barely functional vehicles that are allegedly loveable but, in reality, well past their sell-by date.

 

I'm thinking of ;

Morris Minor

VW Beetle

Citroen 2CV and its derivatives

 

:P:D:ph34r:

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I love the idea of one day having a Discovery or Range Rover however the wife thinks they are ugly. Sorry but I married her and have to put up with this.

 

What I do not understand and what my question is. If these cars are so capable, why is the Defender still so popular? It looks uncomfy, unrefined, out of date, noisy, drafty.

 

It must have some redeeming feature's.

 

 

John

You get to see the lovely young lady in the petrol station more often than if you owned a sensible car.

Alan

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Having driven Defenders, Range Rovers and Discoverys, I never found anything to love about the Defender. IMO the Defender should be consigned to the scrap heap of history like all the other barely functional vehicles that are allegedly loveable but, in reality, well past their sell-by dat

 

:P:D:ph34r:

Eye . .... think you are being a bit harsh . .....

 

Pete

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As a RAF driver fitter in the 50s I spent five years with the early Land Rovers (were no defenders then) - on airfields they were great fun BUT on long runs uncomfortable, drafty and noisy they were also fairly unstable and could be turned over without a lot of trying and sitting on the petrol tank always worried me a bit :blink: BUT I still love them :P However my Disco 4 is a much more comfortable car.

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I love the idea of one day having a Discovery or Range Rover however the wife thinks they are ugly. Sorry but I married her and have to put up with this.

 

What I do not understand and what my question is. If these cars are so capable, why is the Defender still so popular? It looks uncomfy, unrefined, out of date, noisy, drafty.

 

It must have some redeeming feature's.

 

 

John

John

 

How about trying the line that what's good enough for the Queen should be good enough for anyone else :)

 

David

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John

 

How about trying the line that what's good enough for the Queen should be good enough for anyone else :)

 

David

 

Yeah but Princess Anne had a Reliant! Mind you, I had 2 Scimitars!

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Yeah but Princess Anne had a Reliant! Mind you, I had 2 Scimitars!

A few years ago I escorted Princes Anne, (Mam as in jam I had to call her), around my department at work. She drove herself in a top of the range, jet black with blacked out winows, Range Rover.

 

John

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