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Mr Plodd

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  • Birthday 18/07/1954

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    Weymouth on the sunny south coast.
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    Enjoying life to the max!
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    Mazda 6 Tourer (posh name for an estate car!)
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    Bailey Phoenix Platinum 2019

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  1. Best house name I have seen was a pals place that he called “Cobwebs” Currently Owned By Woolwich Equitable Building Society Which I thought was rather clever. Andy
  2. Durbanite Interesting reply and, to be fair, pretty reasonable. I have yet to hear back from Bailey Andy It would appear that for the most part Elddis for one agree with me (as a non caravan engineer) I would anticipate the Bailey will respond in a similar manner. At least all Elddis owners now know where they stand Andy
  3. We would appear to have a different view on what is permanent. A manufacturer doesn’t fit window and door frames into caravans under any expectations of them ever being removed (other than if damaged of course) and as such are, by definition, a permanent fixture. I will wait and see what response is forthcoming from Bailey. Andy
  4. I have no desire to engage in any court case, HOWEVER my argument would be that the manufacturer installs window and door frames into the walls of caravans, These window frames are clearly meant to be in place permanently (rather than being removable or even movable) So therefore any joint between the window frame and the caravans sidewall has to be viewed as being permanent in exactly the same way that a window frame in a house is. It is therefore entirely reasonable to view these as “permanently sealed joints” as defined in the warranty details. I will email Bailey with the following and see what sort of response I get. Dear Sir As the owner of a Phoenix 640 I have read the various paperwork that came with it. I have a question as to what exactly a “Permanent sealed joint” is in respect of the water ingress warranty. It clearly covers the joints between the sidewalls and the roof and floor, but what about the joints around the windows, rooflights and door frames? They are clearly meant to be a permanent fixture in the sidewall/roof of the caravan so I assume these joints come under the definition of being “permanently sealed” I would be grateful for confirmation that these frames are indeed covered under the “permanently sealed joints” part of the warranty Thank you Andy Xxxxx I will post their response
  5. It’s not something that I am going to spend a nano-second worrying about. The chances of some muppet taking me out whilst I drive to and from my chosen destination is vastly higher than me be hit by lightening whilst in my caravan, and I don’t worry about that! Andy
  6. Where did this idea that leaks around window frames etc are NOT covered by the water ingress part of the warranty come from? Is it something that someone has actually tried to claim under and failed, or is it a bit of an “urban myth” (like the “If you knock down a pheasant you cannot pick it up up the following driver can”) Below is a direct lift from Baileys website. 6 Year Body Shell Integrity Warranty Bailey Alu-Tech caravans are covered by a six (6) year Bodyshell Integrity Warranty from the initial date of purchase. This cover extends to any structural degradation to the bodyshell that arises as a result of water ingress through any permanently sealed seam or joint (with the exception of exclusions stated in the terms and conditions. The more I look at it the more convinced I become that the seals around a window, door or roof light frame have to be “permanently sealed joints” To suggest that they are anything other is nothing short of farcical. It would mean that the manufacturers are aware of, and fully accept, that these joints are prone to premature failure, and construct the caravans in the full knowledge they are NOT effectively sealed. Any reasonable person (and a court?) would surely form the opinion that the original product was not fit for purpose should it fail within “a reasonable period” Think in terms of what life expectancy a “reasonable person” puts on say a £300 washing machine (I think 6 years has been the norm set by a court) let alone a £20K+ caravan. No one expects a car to leak after 10 years do they? So why accept a caravan leaking after two? So has anyone actually tested this “permanently sealed joint” clause in their warranty? And if so how far did they push it? If it ever happens to me and a claim is rejected due to them claiming a window frame etc isn’t permanently sealed then I can see me and them staring at each other across a court room!!! Andy
  7. If you can get one go for the detachable one. Much neater AND much kinder to your shins!! Andy p.s. Make sure you get the vehicle specific wiring loom not a “universal” one. They cost a bit more but when hitched up, should disable the rear fog light, reversing lights and (if fitted) reversing sensors on the car)
  8. Going back to the “Permanently sealed joint” situation................ Surely, by definition, a window or door frame is a “permanent fitting” (the same as a roof or sidewall is) so must, by definition, have a “permanently sealed joint” when constructed. It’s certainly not meant to ever be removed is it? Might be an an interesting argument to use should anyone ever have an issue with water ingress through such a joint. Andy They dont, but it’s another thing that’s impossible to prove and gives them a “get out’ clause the same as the “It’s been caused by overloading” excuse for axle failures. Very difficult to prove a negative. Andy
  9. I am sure some would be offended, and others would happily admit that in the real world that is EXACTLY what happens. I worked in the same department , and was actually involved in looking at proposed alterations to speed limits so had first hand experience of exactly what went on. Some of the councillors were basically rather nasty bullies and certainly didn’t like being thwarted, and not all of the officers were strong enough personalities (or brave enough) to stand up to them. I had a few complaints made about me because I was NOT one they could bully into doing their bidding. They were all investigated by senior managers from other departments. None were upheld which REALLY annoyed the bullies! But I did manage to prevent a few unnecessary speed limit reductions being implemented when there was no evidence they were necessary. I got moved to another post after about 5 years during a “Departmental review” I left shortly afterwards as by that time I had had enough of councillors who, just because they had been elected, considered themselves far better experts on all sorts of subjects than those who held professional qualifications. (Such as speed limits) Andy
  10. Indeed they do, but, as I said, the Council had adopted a “Member led” policy, so basically the Councillors, both Parish and County, went to the officer, told him what they wanted and instructed him to come up with reasons to do it. Which he dutifully did. In the last two instances of my objecting to speed limit decreases (both from 60 down to 40) the Council Officer actually failed to mention a number of factors that I felt were relevant and pertinent. One factor he made great emphasis of was that there were entrances to two campsites on one particular stretch of road, but singularly FAILED to state that each site was only licensed to operate for a maximum of (the same) 28 days per year. So for 11 out of 12 months there existence was irrelevant. Likewise the lack of a footway along the other road. An entirely correct statement but as there were no properties adjoining that section of road there wasn’t any need for one. The officer was permitted to speak for about 20 minutes and answer questions from the councillors, however I was not allowed to put a single question to him, challenge a single statement he had made, and nor was I permitted to speak for a second longer than 3 minutes (which isn’t very long at all) Those on the committee clearly were not interested in what I had to say and talked amongst themselves whilst I was speaking. They paid no attention to the points I WAS able to get into my three minutes of allotted time. Andy
  11. You are correct, and just before I left my local County Council adopted the policy that they would be “Member led” meaning the Council MEMBERS would lead so were pretty much the decision makers and the council officers did their bidding! Tail, Dog, Wag ??? Andy
  12. As someone who was actually involved in the enforcement of speed limits, and later in the implementation of new limits I can throw some light on the subject. New speed limits are implemented by the local Highways Authority (usually the county councils) It’s nearly always driven by local councillors who, along with an awful lot of people, seem to think that if there has been a crash then the only answer is to impose a lower speed limit. Often that’s NOT the answer and what’s ACTUALLY required is an engineering solution such as widening a visibility splay or providing a dedicated right turn lane etc. These councillors have no qualifications in road safety but are entrusted to make road safety decisions. Being politicians they are always looking at the next election, so are never going to disagree with their voters if they are asked for a lower speed limit. The reason being if there is ever another crash the parishioners will say to the councillors “It’s your fault, if you hadn’t opposed the lower speed limit that WE wanted this wouldn’t have happened” So they lose that persons vote! Since leaving the employ of the county council I have (unsuccessfully) opposed a number of proposed speed limit reductions. I have researched the available data and put forward reasons why any reduction in the speed limit is unnecessary and the real solution is an engineering one. (I do hold a professional qualification in road safety from ROSPA) I have attended public meetings and attempted to question the decision, but you are not allowed to question anyone, you just get three minutes to speak, you are not allowed to ask any questions, and at EXACTLY three minutes you are cut off, even if that’s in mid sentence, yes really! So unqualified councillors hold all the power and, in my experience NEVER oppose a reduction of a speed limit. People with far better knowledge, understanding and most importantly, professional qualifications are unable to become involved and neither are they afforded the opportunity to put forward any argument against the proposal, the (unqualified) councillors hold ALL the power. I have never heard of any speed limit being decreased either! So to sum up many speed limit reductions are the result of knee jerk reactions made by people with all the power but NO understanding of, or qualifications in, the complex subject of road safety and those that DO have both are actually prevented from having any input. Crazy isn’t it? Andy
  13. The other thing to consider is that very little wood is used in the construction of a modern caravan EXCEPT of course the floor, which, in the case of Bailey, is plywood, and that plywood has next to no protection other than a quick coat of black EMULSION paint applied just to the underneath. Amazing isn’t it? Andy
  14. Money received for “Speed awareness” and similar courses DOES however go directly to the Police within whose area the offence is committed. Maybe that’s why so many “low level” speed offences are detected and drivers offered speed awareness courses rather than being fined??? Andy
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