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  1. 19 minutes ago, joanie said:

    Sometimes the rules are slightly different with different makes, but basically the MIRO is the caravan as it came out of the factory.


    MIRO is not an ex-factory weight. It is the weight of that particular model of caravan as it was submitted for type approval.


  2. 26 minutes ago, kiaboy said:

    I agree, I thought I had a missing weight cert, so requested one, only to find I had the same cert I could put it in any van 🤔 



    The above certificate only certifies that the caravan complies with BS EN 1645, but that is only an industry standard and not a requirement. It doesn't document legal compliance with Construction and Use Regulations and it's those that refer to MTPLM.

  3. 6 minutes ago, Ern said:

    I thought there was MTPLM and MPLM. Theoretical meaning it could be done in theory- a greater amount and  subject to other conditions. 


    There is no regulation, rule or anything else that refers to an MPLM or its definition, so it's just been dreamed up without any consequence.

  4. 2 hours ago, kiaboy said:

    We had the free weight upgrade at the Lawns show, Interesting to find out, 2020 Coachman vans no longer have a weight certificate, to go with the wall sticker, the certificate that comes with the van does not even refer to the VIN, just a certificate number refering to the build approval of the NCC. Not sure if that is the case with other manufacturers.



    If the certificate doesn't refer to the VIN it's not worth the paper that it's printed on because it doesn't comply with the regulations. Not only must it refer to the VIN but also to the type approval number to make it a document of any value.

  5. 53 minutes ago, Durbanite said:

    On the Elddis it is as it comes from the factory.  So if it comes from the factory with spare wheel, waste master and battery that is all included in the MIRO.  This is in the owner's manual in the first section where it is explained.


    That will only apply if the caravan was type approved with exactly the same specification as it left the factory.

    4 hours ago, Daveg said:

    So can someone please explain the "plate upgrade "that Elddis offer for free .

    Maybe its me , but how can you have a max MTPLM then have this figure upped . ?


    You’re absolutely right. There can only be one maximum. If there are two values and one is greater than the other then the lower cannot be a maximum.


  6. In order to be able to rely on a definitive answer you would need to supply the chassis number of your caravan and ask them specifically whether the MIRO quoted for your particular caravan included the spare wheel or not. A general question whether Elddis include the spare wheel as a matter of principle is not necessarily going to result in a statement that you can rely on 100%. Besides, there could be other appliances or equipment fitted to your caravan which you think are standard and therefore included in the MIRO simply because you didn’t order them specially, but for the manufacturer they are mandatory options and weren’t included in the type approval.

  7. As yet, no-one has said what makes it illegal, though. As far as I can gather from previous replies, the only references that have been mentioned so far apply to commercial applications, but not to private use in a caravan or motorhome.

  8. It all depends on whether the caravan submitted for type approval had a spare wheel or not. By definition, MIRO does not include any factory fitted options, but whether this includes mandatory option packs is open for the manufacturer to decide. That's why the MIRO figure should be taken with a pinch of salt. It can't be more than a rough guide.

  9. This thread is getting far too bogged down in gas issues when the OP clearly only had electrical connections in mind. There are reasons other than running the fridge whilst on the move that require power supply to the caravan and it's those that he hasn't taken into account.

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  10. Geist caravans were manufactured under contract by LMC, so if having the door on the other side doesn't bother you, it might be worth looking into buying an equivalent LMC model. The selection available, at least on the Continent, is bound to be much larger, as the volumes of LMC caravans produced is much larger.

  11. Considering the existing connector not only transmits power to the caravan exterior lighting system but to other electrical equipment in use while the caravan is in motion, such as charging the battery or running the fridge, I see no benefit in such a device as it would still need a separate connector for non-lighting usage. If anything, a device that would automatically electrically couple all 13 pins between the towing vehicle and the trailer during the actual hitching process might be worth looking at.

  12. When we went to the Scilly Isles, we took our caravan across the Channel to England, drove to a campsite near St Agnes in Cornwall and left it there for our flight from Newquay to the islands.

    As it happened, I left my binoculars in the gardens at Tresco, but they were found and flown by helicopter for free to Plymouth where I was able to pick them up. Great service!

  13. On 09/10/2019 at 20:21, bubble2015 said:

    Hi Lutz

    If you have time (and a powerful car) try a few nights at Camping Sierra Espuñas.

    We have been here for a week, its one of the best campsites we have been on. About 70 gravel pitches, many with water and drainage. Fantastic views and its next to the pretty village El Berro.

    Only downside is the access road, about 15k of poor surface and a couple of 20% gradients and tight hairpins. Having said that our CRV pulled the 8m 1800kg caravan without problems.


    Looks nice judging by the pictures on their website, but it does seem a bit off the beaten track for us who like to be as close as possible to the beaches and the opportunity to do daily shopping for the widest possible selection of food produce, as we are both keen cooks who try to cook something out of the ordinary every day, even when touring with the caravan. In Aguilas we have two big supermarkets Mercadona and Carrefour, not to mention Lidl and Aldi, and it also has quite a big market on Saturdays, so we are well served in that respect.


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  14. 2 minutes ago, JTQ said:


    But surely a potential visitor would as the OP make some effort to know if bringing a very large van to the UK was viable, before getting on the ferry?

     Over here we tend to find out what is needed to comply with going the other way.


    Considering we are talking here about a regular production caravan it's not something that one would expect to have to check, though. Being used to travel without any form of restrictions is something one has taken for granted within the EU (OK,  Norway isn't in the EU either) so nobody gives specific regulations applicable to neighbouring countries much thought unless enough people have run into an issue and written about it in forums, etc. An example of a requirement that is specific to a particular country is marker boards for overhanging loads in Spain and Italy, but that is something that is common knowledge now, thanks to enough publicity being given to the need for them due to the sheer volume of fines that have been dished out to the unsuspecting.


    In the foreign travel section of their website the German Auto Club, ADAC, for instance, lists a whole host of regulations which are peculiar to the UK,  but makes no mention of the 7m limit.


  15. 45 minutes ago, Legal Eagle said:

    That assumes a report is very likely to be made. It still doesn't change the law though, so please don't shoot the messenger.


    I agree that the law has no provisions for exceptions to be made for foreign visitors, but I am sure that if anyone arrived at the docks with a long caravan and was turned away, thus ruining their holiday plans, there would surely have been an uproar in one of the forums. After all, such a restriction is not something that a foreign visitor would normally reckon with.


  16. 1 minute ago, Legal Eagle said:

    There is no exemption  in law for foreign visitors so it would still be illegal. The fact there are inconsistencies and turning of blind eyes at ports of entry is irrelevant, especially if involved in an incident.

    A trailer 32 feet long  and a total combination length of some 48 feet is not going to slip off the ferry unnoticed that easily!


    I haven't heard of any reports in any of the Continental caravanning forums of anyone not being allowed into the UK  with an over 7m caravan, though.

  17. Good to hear that the weather is nice and warm in that part of the world. We're on our way to our favourite campsite in Aguilas on the Andalucia/Murcia border at the moment. Should get there the day after tomorrow. Looking forward to it, especially as we have heard that it hasn't stopped raining back home since we left on Monday.

  18. On 13/08/2019 at 21:05, beejay said:

    The dipped beam for a right hand drive car will not meet the requirements for a left hand drive car. Whilst modern headlamps  may have a flat topped dipped beam they still will not meet the requirements of EU countries that drive on the right. If a UK vehicle is imported into the EU the first things  that needs changing to pass the appropriate test are the headlamps.


    Legislation in France (and, no doubt, in most of the EU) requires that dipped beams dip to the right and do not dazzle other motorists so a French vehicle with maladjusted dipped beam lamps could cause dazzle. As this is a subjective opinion unless a police officer considers a vehicle is causing dazzle to other motorists no offence is  committed. Could this  be the reason that such offences have not been reported on UK forums?



    They are available at French ports with ferries to the UK and at Eurotunnel. They are not likely to be on sale anywhere else for obvious reasons!


    EU regulations state that headlamp may dip either vertically down or 15° to the nearside. Most European car manufacturers have opted for the vertical dip for their left hand drive models. It's best to check the handbook or with the dealer whether the same applies to tight hand drive versions, too.


    Beam deflectors must not be used in conjunction with xenon, high energy discharge, LED headlamps or adaptive headlamp systems.

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