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  1. The rules are the same for all vehicles subject to type approval, whether motorised or not. The only minor difference is that trailers have their noseweight limit denoted as axle 0.
  2. Now you have confused me. The VIN plate is always produced by the vehicle manufacturer. The only reason for a new VIN to have to be displayed alongside the old one is if the upgrade (or downplating) was not carried out by the original manufacturer, but by someone else, in which case he then becomes the new manufacturer and one is entering a third build stage. In that case the name of the manufacturer would be different on the two plates. Nobody has yet answered the question, if there are two statutory plates on the same vehicle displaying different MTPLMs. how does one know which o
  3. And which one does one read now? I suspect that what the instructions really meant was not to remove any of the earlier build stage plates.
  4. I'm not arguing with you, nor am I holding a particular view. I just want to know on what basis you were told to display the old plate alongside the new one. Without a good and substantiated reason I would not have gone along with such a request as it only serves to confuse and doesn't make sense. What has a second stage got to with the issue at stake? The same applies regardless how many build stages the motorhome, trailer (hence also caravan), car, truck, bus or whatever had gone through. Only the final stage has any relevance to the end user.
  5. VIN plates are VIN plates. Legislation doesn't differentiate between types of vehicle and it only calls for one statutory plate per stage build. I cannot find any reference to the validity of a second plate anywhere so how does one know which one applies if two are displayed showing different values?
  6. What rule are you referring to? Where can I find it under legislation.gov.uk? If there are two plates displaying different MTPLMs, how does one know which one applies? They don't display a date of issue.
  7. Well said. What is the point of leaving an old plate on the vehicle if a new plate reflecting up- or downplating is displayed? It only serves to confuse.
  8. As laid down in the respective legislation and as documented in the V5c, the towing limit is based upon the ability to restart on a 12% gradient. However, this is only a minimum requirement. Manufacturers are perfectly at liberty to specify higher towing limits at less severe gradients and several do, usually for 8% and sometimes 10% gradients as well. Note that the gross train weight limit remains unchanged whatever the towing limit.
  9. No, a statutory plate displaying the MAW was already required under the old legislation. With the introduction of whole vehicle type approval for caravans in 2014, further weight details were added to the requirement - the noseweight limit and the axle load limits. Maximum Allowable Weight was then renamed Maximum Technically Permissible Laden Mass, MTPLM.
  10. OK, I misunderstood your statement when you said, "there should be an additional plate or sticker added when the upgrade was applied". But there is a legal requirement that the valid MTPLM is is displayed on the statutory plate, whether it has previously been upgraded or not.
  11. What would the need to display the date achieve? One can never rely on the accuracy of a MIRO supplied by the manufacturer as MIRO, by definition, is only the weight of the caravan that was submitted for type approval, not that of the caravan in question. It wouldn't make much sense anyway as more often than not the ex-works weight is seldom the same as the actual unladen weight when in the hands of the end user.
  12. The manufacturer's limit only covers his product liability and warranty. It is not a legal limit. Several manufacturers quote different towload limits depending on whether the outfit has to negotiate 8%, 10% or 12% gradients, but the gross train weight limit is always the same.
  13. The towing limit is the axle load of the caravan, not its total weight. Therefore, if your car has a towing limit of 1200kg then you can tow a caravan weighing 1250kg in total (MTPLM) so long as the noseweight is 50kg or more. However, you do need to watch that you don't exceed the gross train weight limit, as well.
  14. My understanding is that each pin is designed to cope with a maximum load of 20A.
  15. Caravans are no different to any other vehicle. W09 was TEC (a now defunct make) and the year of manufacture is given by the 10th digit.
  16. SAL is Land Rover, WF0 is Ford Germany, SAJ is Jaguar, WBA is BMW, for example. Most, but not all, vehicle manufacturer identifiers are 3 digit. Those beginning with SA to SM are reserved for UK manufacturers.
  17. Not if they are issued by the manufacturer. Manufacturer vehicle identifiers are always 3 digit.
  18. The number quoted fits in with standard VIN convention. VIN numbers for caravans are treated like any other vehicle.
  19. No, it's W0 (zero) anyway, not WO. W0L, for example, is Opel/Vauxhall.
  20. The year of manufacture is given by the 10th digit, in this case '1', indicting 2001. W09 is reserved for vehicles of German origin where the manufacturer produces less than 500 vehicles per year.
  21. A higher spec axle usually only means a very minor weight increase, usually around 5kg, seldom more than 20kg unless a completely different chassis is required. B96 licences are now being issued in the UK for alternatively fuelled vans, enabling one to drive a vehicle weighing 4250kg. Perhaps it is only a matter of time before such licences will be extended to cover electric cars, too.
  22. Driving licence restrictions aside for a moment, it's the actual weights of the trailer that count. Therefore, the towcar does not have to have a tow limit equal to or greater than the plated MTPLM of the caravan. The plated gross train weight just has to be greater than the sum of all actual axle loads and the tow limit should be greater than the actual axle load of the caravan, not its plated MTPLM.
  23. The axle load limit on the statutory plate could be less than the limit shown on the axle. That's why I said the plate on the axle is of no significance to the end user.
  24. The one on the axle is of no significance to the end user. The label by the door is only an NCC requirement so it is only present anyway if the manufacturer is a member of the NCC. If the manufacturer is not a member there won't be such a label so there should be no reason to question a missing label.
  25. Or, in a case like the above, simply remove the label by the door. So long as all the details required by law are displayed on the statutory plate, (which will be the case), there is no need for a label by the door. There are no provisions for any such label in any legislation.
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