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    Hochheim am Main, Germany
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    Foreign travel and technical issues
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    2016 BMW X4 30d
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    2008 Dethleffs Beduin 545V

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  1. I just look at what height the hitch is relative to my knee when I'm standing next to it.
  2. Besides, if the difference between 90% and 100% full is 20 gallons, then one would have 200 gallon tank. That must be a mighty big towcar with such a tank.
  3. Absolutely, yes. The organisations are to blame for continuing to use the term kerbweight when it isn't documented anywhere, leaving the owner to search for the closest alternative. As long as there are some who insist on wanting to know the true kerbweight of their towcar to the nearest kilo the issue simply won't go away.
  4. The MIRO shown on the V5c is not the actual ex-works weight of the vehicle in question but the weight of that vehicle which the manufacturer submitted for type approval. By definition, it is for a vehicle with only the standard equipment fitted. This means that factory fitted options are not included. Consequently, it would definitely not include a factory fitted towbar, for instance, If the vehicle was specified with options like a towbar, the actual weight and hence also the kerbweight, will be higher, but the MIRO is unaffected. As far as fuel is concerned, MIRO includes a 90% full fuel tank whereas kerbweight is defined with a full fuel tank.
  5. Yes, I said kerbweight isn't documented anywhere, not that it isn't defined, although I do agree with Towtug that it is very wooly. It is open to interpretation what is meant by normally equipped. Does it mean as equipped when it left the factory or would it include all permanent fittings that may have been added afterwards? I would tend to think the latter because that is how the vehicle will 'normally' be used.
  6. Yes, of course. And if you look under M2 and M3 these apply to vehicles with more than 8 seats, which cars are definitely not. Hence cars belong to subcategory M1 of category M which applies to all vehicles used for the carriage of passengers, regardless of the number of seats.
  7. Category M includes subcategories M1, M2 and M3. Cars are definitely M1 and hence also M.
  8. Actually, with Continental caravans the chances of uprating after the caravan has already left the factory is even less because their MTPLM is almost invariably the same as the axle load rating. For all practical purposes, uprating is only possible prior to build.
  9. If manufacturers don't use the maximum permissible axle weight available then this will be obvious by looking at the axle load rating that the caravan manufacturer has displayed on the statutory plate. It will show a lower maximum axle load than what the plate on the axle itself specifies. Axle rating and/or MTPLM changes, whether up or down, can only be carried out if the manufacturer has covered the revised value in his type approval documentation.
  10. No need for any confirmation. Legislation isn't specific regarding location in the gas locker. It can be combined in another plate elsewhere so long as the following requirement is fulfilled: "The manufacturer may indicate additional information below or to the side of the prescribed inscriptions, outside a clearly marked rectangle which shall enclose only the information prescribed in Sections 2 and 3."
  11. It's unlikely that the statutory plate is on the axle because it wouldn't comply with the requirement that it must be, quote, "in a conspicuous and readily accessible position".
  12. A statutory plate was already required prior to introduction of whole vehicle type approval although its format wasn't defined quite so precisely. There have never been two statutory plates. Legislation only refers to one and nowhere does it say that it must be in the gas locker, even though it often is.
  13. It's only the statutory information on the plate that counts. Any further information that may be present on the same plate is for guidance only. Elddis will still have the necessary maximum permissible axle load displayed on that part of the label or plate which contains the statutory information.
  14. I was referring specifically to caravans that are subject to whole vehicle type approval, i.e. those manufactured since October 2014.
  15. A weight plate on the axle has no relevance to the end user. It is only there for the caravan manufacturer. The only valid axle load limits of the final finished product are those displayed on the statutory plate and they can be different to those on the axle.
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