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  1. It interesting how people interpret the guidelines. For example this extract from the Gov guidance page.... 2. Work carried out in people’s homes Work carried out in people’s homes, for example by tradespeople carrying out repairs and maintenance, can continue, provided that the tradesperson is well and has no symptoms. Again, it will be important to ensure that Public Health England guidelines, including maintaining a two-metre distance from any household occupants, are followed to ensure everyone’s safety. A self employed gardener living near me is continuing to work on garden maintenance.
  2. Whatever the age cut off, if the governments main objective was to save lives they should have introduced self isolation for the elderly and infirmed at the outset. They provide a flu jab every year in the hope it will save elderly people ...as a proactive service. Whilst it would have been no use in this instance, the same mentality of protecting the elderly and vulnerable might have been a better option than shutting down the whole country?
  3. Here’s another thought. As far as we have been told......the annual mortality rate for the last few years in China is reported as 0.7%. I don’t know the population of China but Wuhan is a city of 11,000,000. That means IF they conform to the national average, 70,000 people would die in that city in 2020. The annual mortality rate 2017-1019 in Italy was 1% and a population of around 62,000,000. That’s 620,000 that died each year. Somebody needed to Say definitely if a patient died of the virus or would have died if a normal flu bug had hit them. I realise that’s difficult to do. But making definite actioms from modelling that hasn’t factored in ALL the parameters is dangerous. Given that (as I read on BBC website) that 80-90% of the worldwide so called corona deaths to date had underlying health problems (many that a heavy cold would have finished them) wouldn’t it have been a better cheaper less chaotic idea to isolate the elderly (70-80+) and infirmed ? The healthy under 70s could go on as normal. I am playing devils advocate here because I can’t help feeling we have “mounted a tiger from which we cannot dismount” (to paraphrase a Chinese proverb) I just would have liked to see a model done by Imperial College of the impact these draconian measure will have on our society. It may have suggested a different route. It doesn’t take a mega brain computer to predict the selfish, mean spirited, behaviour we are experiencing in our shops from the British population. But it might have warned us of the damage to our infrastructure for years to come.
  4. Of course. I suppose it’s about proportional response which is very difficult to predict. The governments are between a rock and a hard place. I do however wonder if anyone has similarly modelled the impact on society from the course of actions being taken? The increased numbers of depressed, suicidal out of work. The educational hiatus. The mountainous debt we will be saddle with for generations to come.
  5. There is a growing voice suggesting that although the scientist modelling may be accurate, it’s missing out on some underlying facts. For instance, the modelling excluded normal annual death rates. In the England that’s around 500000 every year. Their figures didn’t say an additional 500000 deaths from coronavirus. For some years there has been a medical voice pointing out the NHS should not be lumping deaths from winter flu, with deaths of sick terminal people ....who may also have the flu virus at the time of their death. My own father had multiple myeloma and died while hospitalised for his deteriorating condition...at the same time as a Novovirus was rampant at the hospital. He got it, I got it, the wife got it. His death certificate states the cause of death 1) Multiple Myeloma 2) Novovirus. I can imagine into which statistics box he would be placed. The NHS needs to generate big numbers to justify extra funding. NB I am not saying they don’t need it or it’s wrong. In fact it’s a justifiable means to an end. The alternative slant on the current outbreak is ....all the annual sickness and deaths are coming at once! This is what’s likely to overwhelm the system. And maybe (we hope) the death rate will suddenly drop when ....the normal annual death quota has been reached. I know that sounds harsh. I sincerely hope that after this virus surge there will be a quantifiable compensating drop in deaths. The problem is that the actions being taken by the governments will have dire consequences on the economy, commerce, education and most people’s lives for many years to come. Should they have factored in the normal death rates? Take a look at the following death rates for Italy... https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/ITA/italy/death-rate PS Despite this concern and being in the right age group, both my wife and I are doing what’s been asked and self isolating....but it makes you think.
  6. Then there is this emerging view that should be considered. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51979654
  7. It’s the impression of ‘two fingers up’ to all those that CANT get away in a caravan that is just as harmful. It’s creating the appearance that you don’t have to listen. And if you don’t,,.why should they? Social responsibility begins at home. Well Philip has gone home to Windsor....so the police presence will be shutdown. On a more serious note I wouldn’t be walking my dog in Sandringham woods. The Alabama rot disease that kills dogs is rife there.
  8. Thanks for that. It prompted me to read more about viruses. I thought this summary in an American medical journal was most illuminating (for me at least 😆) “........ But also, wash your hands to stop the virus spreading. This seems odd. You can’t, even for a million dollars, get a drug for the coronavirus – but your grandmother’s bar of soap kills the virus. So why does soap work so well on the Sars-CoV-2, the coronavirus and indeed most viruses? The short story: because the virus is a self-assembled nanoparticle in which the weakest link is the lipid (fatty) bilayer. Soap dissolves the fat membrane and the virus falls apart like a house of cards and dies – or rather, we should say it becomes inactive as viruses aren’t really alive....” We live and learn.
  9. Have I missed something? On all of the adverts and signs telling us what to do to counter the spread of the virus, they mention washing hands in soap and water for 20sec. They never say ‘use hot/warm water’. Now that might be blindingly obvious to most normal intelligent people but there’s a lot out there who will make do with ineffective cold. Or am I wrong?
  10. We have /use a bidet ...but still use toilet paper. I always thought it was for female hygiene ......and washing your feet. The Romans had communal latrines and a communal sponge on a stick. They had running cold water in a trough along the floor to dip it and wash? it in. And you think we have it tough?
  11. Toilet roll sales? I can understand panicking people grabbing paracetamol and shelf stable/frozen foodstuffs....but the toilet roll thing has me bemused. We scheduled a delivery order from Tesco and asked for 12 pears. (That’s our weekly amount) They changed that to 2. Clearly they suspected us of planning to stockpile rotten fruit. A friend popped into the same Tesco and bought us the missing 10.
  12. I suspect it’s a much higher percentage of hospitalisation numbers that would cripple the health service not the 2% that died.
  13. No matter how much we like caravanning, it’s regarded as a short term relocation. Our real comfort, convenience is found in our (more spacious) home. Everything done in a caravan is a compromise compared to home. I know where I would rather be with the prospect of weeks in some form of lockdown. That said, I don’t see the issue with taking a drive out into the country or coast. We are fortunate that it would mean only a 30min journey to the coast...through countryside. We don’t NEED to get out of the car. We could take a picnic and eat it there. The only problem would be ....a loo. But a short drive out can lift the spirits anyway. Cant imagine what it must be like for people living in cities where there is absolute lockdown like in France.
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