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  1. As mentioned in my post, I didn't take what you said as a negative at all, so don't worry. Rather, I used your post as a good excuse to explain why specialist work like ours costs what it does.
  2. First of all, thanks for all the recommendations above, it warms the cockles. Your Adria will be a full GRP body, Adria have been building them this way a lot longer than the UK manufactures cottoned on. This is quite possibly why you're looking at a dull Caravan if compared to a more traditional Aluminium sided Caravan. GRP is super tough, and a much more superior construction materiel in my opinion, but it will fade quickly and go dull of not maintained correctly. Another common problem that effects Adria are the roof panels. They are a different Fibreglass to the sides, and not as robust, in that they can initially fade faster than the sides, and keep getting worse. This is more obvious when you look at the parts that you can see from below, where the roof bows over the front and rear. If this surface has what look like dark patches, or tiny scratches that are often described as looking like someone has used a scouring pad to wash it, this is where the gelcoat has totally failed and become so thin it's almost transparent. This issue won't effect the use of the Caravan, but it cannot be fixed in any other way than a very expensive re-spray. This effects both the Adria Caravan and Motorhome. Sadly as mentioned above, your Adria will need professional help. There will be several common methods advised as a DIY, and they might slightly improve the surface, but I doubt anything short of a pro going over it will bring it back to a factory finish. Also to pick up on another comment made about us not being cheap. This is a misconception that doesn't take into account what is actually involved with our services, specially the Restoration side of things. We use compounds that equate to around £70 a litre, in comparison to a none specialist 'car' compound off the shelf that is around £5 a litre. Machine heads at £10 each (we can easily use 4 per job) not to mention we charge roughly the same for a job 10 miles from us, as we do for a job 200 miles from us. As mentioned, we do use a lot of the Autoglym range, but this is only for the finishing work. None of Autoglym's products will get you to a point that you are happy with. They are more for a maintenance afterwards. We also have to pay a specialist tailored insurance that covers us to work on Caravans or Motorhomes which costs several thousand pounds a year. Along with all the other business expenses that we incur as a niche company that carries out a service no one else in the UK offers directly to Caravan and Motorhome owners only. My prices reflect all of the above, and cannot be compared to what a standard 'valeter' would charge for a far lesser job. That isn't taking anything away from what these guys offer. They can often turn around multiple jobs a day, where as most days we can only just fit 1 job in, because of the hours of work needed. I know that comment was not made as a negative, and I didn't take it as one, rather an excuse to quickly justify what I sometimes read about what we do. We are not the cheapest company in the country, but we are the best at what we achieve with our Restoration service. An average price of £350 for a Caravan, against a dealer that will tell you a faded Caravan either cannot be rectified, or more commonly, needs a full re-spray at a cost of thousands. We've seen that many times, and it's rarely necessary. A simple rule of thumb when it comes to these services: If you just want your Caravan cleaned, then you need a local valeter that has experience of Caravans. This should cost you around £65-£85. Much less and they will be using products that are far too aggressive to make things fast for them. This will leave your whole Caravan nice and clean, but won't fix any of the dull panels or other specialist issues with your surfaces. If you do have a dull, yellowing, patchy and generally tired looking Caravan, then you need a far more experienced specialist, and this should be costing you between £300-£500 on a Caravan. This should in 9 out of 10 cases, leave your Caravan pretty much as it left the factory. I hope all the above helps out the OP and if you are ever in England, give us a shout. Paul
  3. This question comes up constantly and in very simple terms, there is no such thing as a GRP 'Restorer' or magic product that you can wipe on and wipe off to bring back the shine on GRP. If there was, we wouldn't be spending hours machine polishing GRP pretty much every day. To explain: GRP, which is commonly used on Caravans and Motorhomes has to be maintained. By maintained I mean it has to have a regular coat of wax, with UV screens, or a paint sealer from new, or covered in the summer when not in use. GRP is highly prone to UV damage, and will go dull, or yellow in as little as 12 months from brand new, if not protected. Some GRP's are better than others, but only in longevity terms. When GRP panels go dull, or cloudy, this is where the surface is damaged by the sun, just like a human can go Red in direct sunlight, without suncream. The only way to fix this damage is with very specialist compounds, and a machine polisher, but even this isn't as simple as it sounds. You need the correct products, which aren't off the shelf items. Correct polishing heads, correct machine speed and pressure (every surface is slightly different) on top of all of this, you need the skill not to burn the panel. GRP sometimes needs excessive pressure with the machine, and this friction leads to heat, and it's this fine line that only experience will aid a successful result. What we hear constantly is 'I've machine polished my GRP and it looks loads better, but not perfect, and it only lasts a few weeks' This is all because one of the above variants is incorrect, or the surface would be perfect, and it would last. This question will come up as often as the Paintseal debates, and often with a huge degree of responses, many untrue and inaccurate from what I read, including several comments on other threads that can be misunderstood by a layperson, causing future issues. This is the way of a forum, and a good rule of thumb is to take advice as a guide, but not always an accurate fact. Lastly, the product in the link above is obviously not one we've used, but we have experienced a product like this, with exactly the same methods and claims. They are a varnish, or coating that simply apply over the dull fibreglass, and give what appears as a shine, but this won't look anything like a factory finish, and even more worrying is what we've seen these products do in the future. We went to a stunning Vanmaster a few months ago to carry out our Restoration service, and noticed the front panel was a strange colour, but just assumed it was the normal type of sun tarnishing. I quickly noticed that the front panel wasn't reacting the way it should as I was machine polishing, so I asked the customer to pop out. After pointing out the issue, he sheepishly produced a can of the same product as above, and told us he'd painted this stuff all over the front panel, trying to restore the shine. This finish would not come off with even the most extreme compound we used, so we tried to wet-flat the surface, just to get the varnish off, with absolutely zero success. The outcome was the rest of the Caravan looked like new after we'd finished, but the most obvious part of the Caravan looked awful. Tarnished, yellowing and patchy. We gave the customer the option to stop the job, but he was happy for the rest of the Caravan to be Restored. Needless to say, his wife was not happy, as she had no idea he'd done this, but understood why we couldn't fix it. I say this all the time. We are not the only ones doing what we do, just the most well known. We are a consistent 4 week lead time business, and a very small team. I don't make these statements to give ourselves more exposure, or to scare people into thinking we are the only fix for dull GRP. CaravanTalk has been very important to my business, and it's maintained my longevity over the last 12 years, so I will always stick my 2 pence worth of experience in any thread I think will either help a Caravan owner, or stop them from making a costly mistake that even we cannot fix. I hope this helps. Paul
  4. Don't assume if a cleaning product is the 'latest' that it's better than what's already available. Most are just re-branded products that are no more improved than before. In our experience, you cannot beat the reliability and longevity of what's already available from companies like Fenwicks and Autoglym. Also bare in mind that what works on one persons Caravan, might not work on another, and it all depends on a variety of different factors, including the age of the Caravan, it's construction material, where it's stored, and how often it's cleaned. I'd go with the traditional brands of products in this industry, because they have things fine tuned. Many of the 'new' innovative products we see in magazines or at shows, are just versions of these, just without the provenance.
  5. Thanks, I will try that myself. Exteriors i'm good with, but interior materials, and it's me asking for the advice.
  6. No. Spray the Caravan and Motorhome cleaner on the plastics and leave for 30 seconds, then wash with the shampoo as usual. I've yet to see a set of plastics that don't come up lovely with these products.
  7. Freedoms are a fibreglass shell, and therefor it's not painted, rather it's a gelcoat, so there possibly won't be a paint code. A good motor factors or paint supplier will be able to match the colour as close as possible. Good luck.
  8. If you are referring to the small blotches that often appear on the rubber trims of a Bailey, then these are so ingrained into the rubber, nothing conventional will shift them. If however you are referring to the general 'yellowing' that happens on all Caravan lockers, then Autoglym Caravan and Motorhome cleaner, in conjunction with Autoglym Shampoo/Conditioner, will remove the tarnishing quite easily. Bare in mine that some of the plug flaps (the textured style) will slightly improve, but often they don't come up as nice as the lockers. Most times after we've finished a job, the first thing a customer comments on, is how the lockers are now White.
  9. What you have, might not be what you think it is. We see loads of the newer style decals (the larger ones, that tend to have different designs incorporated into them) with what people often think are streak marks. They are actually where water has run from natural points, like the tiny joint gaps in awning rails, or any other point that make rain water run down from one single place as a constant flow. This often almost removes the design within the decal in a line, hence why you cannot remove what you think is a streak, because it's the decal design or colour that's been removed by the flow of constant water. This might almost sound daft, because you'd think the decal would be good enough to withstand this. The easiest way to determine this is to see if it's effected the line directly above and below the decal. Plus check if there is a corresponding joint in the awning rail, to allow the water to naturally flow from this point. The above reads more complex than it actually is, but should make sense.
  10. We moved from Stamford to Leicestershire about 8 years ago, but for some reason we cannot seem to remove the older information from Google, and we have tried to update it. It's never been a big problem, because it's pretty obvious on the first paragraph of my website that we are in Leicestershire, plus being a mobile business anyway.
  11. Not strictly true. UV won't effect GRP if you maintain it with either a wax a couple of times a year, or if you look at my Motorhome below, this was sealed with our own Paint seal when it was new in 2015. This hasn't been waxed since, only washed with the right products, and this is the result 4 years later after an hour of washing. If you maintain your pride and joy, or have it protected, it should stay looking this way for as long as you own it. My Motorhome is full GRP, but the same applies with all the other construction materials.
  12. We pass all our interior work to these guys https://www.regalfurnishings.co.uk They do a really nice job, and all the customers I send there are over the moon with the turnaround and results.
  13. After bouncing messages back and forth with the OP, this situation is not as straight forward as people might imagine. There is no real 'one way' DIY answer when it comes to this type of damage and fix. Ironically, we had a 2009 Lunar only yesterday in Leicester, that the owners storage site had sprayed a shed with exactly the same paint as this situation. As you'd expect, the storage owners tried a few things, the caravan owner tried a few other things, but after exhausting all the daft/bizarre internet remedies and advice they both realised this isn't a straight forward problem. Unfortunately some of the remedies they'd tried removed not only the shed paint, but also the caravan paint, thankfully they'd tested the worst products on the roof, where it's not so obvious to the owner in the future. The biggest consideration in these situation are 2 things: How old is the Caravan, and what is it constructed from. Yesterdays Lunar was a 2009, and the sides were aluminium, front and rear ABS. From experience the aluminium will be oxidised on the sides of a Lunar, the ABS won't be. This means the paint that hits the oxidised side will absorb into the oxidation, making it very difficult to remove, and even when you do finally remove the spots, you are left with a panel that has dozens of little patches. The fix is a full machine polish. Removing the oxidation across the whole side, thus removing the paint spots and as per yesterdays job, the whole Caravan looking like new again. The ABS is slightly different, because it still has it's shine, and therefor far easier to remove the spots with a very sight machine polish, without the need to do the full panel, although it makes sense to do it anyway. As for the above Caravan. This is a 2011 Bailey Orion. A full GRP construction, and totally normal to be dull at this age, and much newer in many cases. GRP is worse than aluminium for absorbing this type of damage, and it's far harder to restore. Any of the above remedies may of left the Caravan looking potentially worse, and very patchy. This only real fix, is again Restore the full panel, leaving it consistently glossy top to bottom. The issue in this situation is where do you stop?? The whole Caravan is dull, which is normal for this make and model. Do you restore the full Caravan, or do you fix the effected panel, leaving one glossy panel, and the rest dull. A newer Caravan, or one that's been correctly paint sealed from new, or even one that the owner waxes a couple of times a year might of been a totally different story with this this type of damage, but again it's sometimes easier to ask people like myself, who is more than happy to advise the best course of action, even if that means we don't actually do the job, rather than following some internet advice, that can potentially make things far worse. I might not get too involved on here anymore unless it's directly to do with my name, or my experience, but I do pop in every few days to have a quick read, and any PMs are sent directly to my phone, meaning i'm pretty quick at picking them up. I've said it several times before, but will again. I'm here to offer advice if it's not an obvious fix. People often ask why I give away this time, and it's simple. Without places like this, my business wouldn't be into it's 12th year, and for those that I just advise the best way forward, there are 10 fold those that have us do the work. Oh and as for yesterdays Lunar, the storage owners paid for all the work. This meant the Lunar owner had a full Restoration, turning their dull tired looking Caravan, back to it's factory shine, for the sake of a few spots of paint. They were rather happy as you'd expect
  14. Obviously thanks for the above recommendations. I will explain a little about the Bailey. A Bailey between 2000-2010 is pretty much the most common Caravan we rectify, simply because they have this issue with their side panels. Most other manufactures have problems with front panels, and sometimes rear panels, depending if they are GRP or ABS or even a mixture of both. Bailey used the better quality ABS front and rear panels, and therefor a pre All-tech Bailey issue is 90% the sides that cause problems. The Senator often looks worse below the Gold stripe, but will have issues top to bottom. The Pageant is a consistent cloudy top to bottom, as is the Ranger. The Ranger also has shrinking issues with their decals, but that's another story. Bailey will claim they've never heard of it. Dealers will often claim it cannot be rectified without being re-painted at huge costs. We've literally fixed 100's of them, and not once have we failed to achieve a glassy shine, as many of our Bailey Customers on here will testify. If the OP is seeing an inconsistent shine or patchy finish, this is almost always previous paintwork from damage in the past, and it's very common. Caught early enough and we can blend it back in. One of each of the Bailey range that we've Restored. All of these would of had exactly the same dull/cloudy/patchy side panels, and all looked like new once we'd finished with them. There is no real compromise on finish, they all Restore up lovely, and with the correct aftercare, they all last as long as they are maintained. Although these are all pre alu-tech models, the later Alutech has it's own problems, and again a very common Caravan for our Restoration work. Thankfully 99% of what we see, is perfectly fixable by us. Lastly, products like Super Resin and similar are fine on a glossy surface, but won't do anything to a faded finish, other than often look worse. You don't need to take my word of it, try it yourself and see the results. A friendly word of warning: As a business, we do not get involved with previous attempts at carrying out this kind of specialist work. We see far too often the results of 'valet companies' dealers and all sorts that have gone full on with a machine polisher and compounds. This often removes the tolerance we needed to do the job correctly, and the risk of us going through the paint is too high. So we no longer fix other peoples work for this reason.
  15. Yes, we cover the whole country. I was in Sandwich 2 days ago. If you need to enquire, just drop me an email enquiries@tourershine.co.uk Please bare in mind, we are into June/July now, and they are filling fast. 6-8 week lead times are pretty normal for us.
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