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#1 dayne bartlett

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 01:52 PM

can anyone help , i have been told so many differant things,

i have a kia soul burner diesel , towing weight 1300kg
my caravan is an elldiss unlaid weight 1100kg , max weight 1344kg

am i legal to tow my caravan with my car

i have been told that i am, as it is the unlaiden weight , not max weight

evan if i take it on unlaiden weight , i can still put 200kg in the caravan before i hit max weight of my car

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 01:54 PM

A colleague of mine has just bought a caravan with a unladen weight of 1110kg and laden weight 1344kg.

His car has a maximum towing weight of 1300kg, is he legally allowed to to the caravan?



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Posted 10 February 2012 - 02:10 PM

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Working on the Maximum Kerb Weight, dependent on which model you have, you will be towing at 100% with a 1.6 GDi and slightly better with the other two cars in the range.

However because the maximum permitted towing weight as stated by the manufacturer is only 1300kg, then you would fall 44kg outside of this.

Edited by Grandpa Steve, 11 February 2012 - 09:32 AM.
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Posted 10 February 2012 - 02:20 PM

If you only hold a B driving licence the towing vehicle must have a Unladen weight of over the 1344 kg MTPLM of the caravan .

If not it would be illegal as you can not tow over 100% .



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Edited by CommanderDave, 10 February 2012 - 02:21 PM.


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Posted 10 February 2012 - 02:21 PM

The vehicle has a 1300kg max towing weight.

The van fully laden is 1344kg, unladen 1110kg.

When considering if it is legal to tow is it the Fully Laden or Unladen weights taken into account.

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 02:35 PM

My understanding is that the maximum plated weight of hte trailer must not exceed the max towing weight of the car.

<a name="3773692">On the figures stated it would be illrgal and invalidate insurance.

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 02:53 PM

No not with that car.

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 02:55 PM

  • the same vehicle with an unladen weight of 1.25 tonnes and a MAM of 2 tonnes when coupled with a trailer with a MAM of 1.5 tonnes would fall within category B+E. This is because although the combined weight of the vehicle and trailer is within the 3.5 tonnes MAM limit, the MAM of the trailer is more than the unladen weight of the drawing vehicle
  • Vehicle manufacturers normally recommend a maximum weight of trailer appropriate to their vehicle. Details can usually be found in the vehicle's handbook or obtained from car dealerships. The size of the trailer recommended for an average family car with an unladen weight of around 1 tonne would be well within the new category B threshold.For driver licensing purposes there are no vehicle/trailer weight ratio limits for category B+E.
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from that i would say you would be 44kg over your vehicles mam weight so if you hold a category B licence it is illegal ut if you have a B+E licence there are no ratio limits so it is legal but i would think its pushing it a bit with the weight

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 02:56 PM

If you only hold a "B" Licence then it will be illegal for your Car to pull your caravan as the Caravan is heavier than the car .


If you hold a "B + E " then you would need exceed the Maximum Train weight (weight of car +caravan) which is the largest figure on the Vin plate on the car .



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Posted 10 February 2012 - 02:59 PM

yes if he has a B+E lincence

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 03:06 PM

Which one of you is stating the correct information?

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 03:14 PM

If the maximum laden weight of the caravan in higher than the maximum towing weight of the car. How can it be legal no matter what licence is held?

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 03:14 PM

Which one of you is stating the correct information?

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 03:24 PM

If you hold a "B + E " then you would need exceed the Maximum Train weight (weight of car +caravan) which is the largest figure on the Vin plate on the car .



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How have you worked that one out, Dave, the Gross Train weight hasn`t been disclosed?

The gross vehicle weight for the diesel Soul is 1780kgs, towing limit 1300 kgs, so unless the VIN plate says otherwise (which it may do), it is still legal to tow a 1300kg trailer with the car as long as the GVW of the car doesn`t exceed 1780kgs and the driver has B+E entitlement.

Edited by angus, 10 February 2012 - 03:29 PM.


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Posted 10 February 2012 - 03:32 PM

If the maximum laden weight of the caravan in higher than the maximum towing weight of the car. How can it be legal no matter what licence is held?


That is what I was thinking :o

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 03:34 PM

If are prosecuted for being over weight it is the MTW that police/Vosa are interested in that is declared on the VIN plate of the tow vehicle.


The towing limit is only declared by a car manufacturer based on what weight it can pull away on a 12% slope .


As said if the OP only has a class B licence then it not even worth worring about towing limits as its already illegal as the caravan is over the weight of the Unladen weight of the car .

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 03:39 PM

From the Direct.gov website

Category B: Vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes MAM and with up to eight passenger seats

Category B vehicles may be coupled with a trailer up to 750kgs MAM (allowing a combined weight up to 4.25 tonnes MAM) or a trailer over 750kgs MAM provided the MAM of the trailer does not exceed the unladen weight of the towing vehicle, and the combination does not exceed 3.5 tonnes MAM.
For example:
  • a vehicle with an unladen weight of 1.25 tonnes and a MAM of 2 tonnes coupled with a trailer with a MAM of 1.25 tonnes could be driven by the holder of a category B entitlement. This is because the MAM of the combination does not exceed 3.5 tonnes and also the MAM of the trailer does not exceed the unladen weight of the drawing vehicle
So from this it is not the actual weights that apply but the max trailer versus the effective minimum of the car, therefore even if you underload the caravan under the terms of the license you would be breaking the law.

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 03:39 PM

If the maximum laden weight of the caravan in higher than the maximum towing weight of the car. How can it be legal no matter what licence is held?


Easy, don't load the caravan to maximum weight, put the heavy stuff in the car. Just because the caravan has a maximum weight of 1344 kg doesn't mean you have to load it to that, you can load it to 1250 kg and you would be fine.

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 03:41 PM

Easy, don't load the caravan to maximum weight, put the heavy stuff in the car. Just because the caravan has a maximum weight of 1344 kg doesn't mean you have to load it to that, you can load it to 1250 kg and you would be fine.


No for the purposes of the licence actual weights do not apply

Category B: Vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes MAM and with up to eight passenger seats

Category B vehicles may be coupled with a trailer up to 750kgs MAM (allowing a combined weight up to 4.25 tonnes MAM) or a trailer over 750kgs MAM provided the MAM of the trailer does not exceed the unladen weight of the towing vehicle, and the combination does not exceed 3.5 tonnes MAM.
For example:
  • a vehicle with an unladen weight of 1.25 tonnes and a MAM of 2 tonnes coupled with a trailer with a MAM of 1.25 tonnes could be driven by the holder of a category B entitlement. This is because the MAM of the combination does not exceed 3.5 tonnes and also the MAM of the trailer does not exceed the unladen weight of the drawing vehicle


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Posted 10 February 2012 - 03:45 PM

Ok but when I answered he didn't mention the weight of the car just the max tow weight of the car, so that's all my reply is based on.
I 've just seen it looks like two topics discussing the same thing here.

Edited by BrianI, 10 February 2012 - 03:51 PM.
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